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September 19, 2025, 04:51:24 AM
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Here is the two Citrea co-founders crying:  https://x.com/esadyusufatik/status/1899193515235561859

Citrea team can't even outmine a pimped out BitAxe that is currently pwning Testnet4... why would anyone cater to these smucks?  Especially why would Bitcoin Core cater to these fellas?!  Even if they "can" do something, they are going to need customers and thus far... ziltch.  I've not heard a single peep from normal Testnet users even remotely interested in Citrea, just mostly devs talking to other devs that invest in Citrea seem to be most interested ironically.  (I hear about most everything considering the dominant position I've built for myself in Testnet with the purpose of watching what is to come + doing my own "tests".)

Blocks are clearing just fine in Testnet4 even with most blocks being speed mined @ difficulty 1 with no transactions included.  So what spam are we combating? Testnet should be REKT if spam is problematic with users.  It's totally fine and handling the load impressively well considering the situation.

They cried about Testnet3, so one of their investors purposely dried out the block rewards to prevent devs from being able to mine, and this pushed the launch of Testnet4 for them to use.  Literally everything they have done or tried to muscle has turned out with terrible, unexpected consequences (for them thus far, thank god.). I firmly think there may be some SERIOUS unintended consequences following their half-baked bullshit.

Now they can't mine a block on Testnet4 and are crying for another reset! LOL!

If these fellas can't figure out how to make their product usable in fucking Testnet... maybe their product is trash and Core shouldn't be altering Bitcoin so quickly.



Neither Testnet3 nor Testnet4 are broken.  These folks just aren't used to getting their ass kicked in this realm.  

"If you can't beat them, reset!"  That should be the real moto of Testnet resets, not trading.





I saw this today and thought it was pretty reasonable.

I've had the pleasure of sitting courtside, listening to smart fellas thought experiments and then testing them in reality.  Being smart does not make your thought experiment accurate; in fact, it seems to be the opposite... the smarter a person is in a thought experiment involving other people, the less likely they are to be accurate when it takes place in reality.

Fuck a whitepaper.  Let's see them do it at scale at value for a period of time. IMO.

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September 19, 2025, 03:07:17 PM
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Im using tesnet3 with no problems. There's the warning message there, but the blockchain works fine, you can send and receive transactions, what else do you want.

Jameson Lopp/Citrea is just part of the VC-backed money trying to push the Bitcoin Core V30 abomination into people so they can spam their pump and dump rugcoins on the Bitcoin blockchain anyway

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5559101.msg65816937#msg65816937
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Now they can't mine a block on Testnet4 and are crying for another reset! LOL!

If these fellas can't figure out how to make their product usable in fucking Testnet... maybe their product is trash and Core shouldn't be altering Bitcoin so quickly.
Agreed.

Jameson Lopp/Citrea is just part of the VC-backed money trying to push the Bitcoin Core V30 abomination into people so they can spam their pump and dump rugcoins on the Bitcoin blockchain anyway
Everyone involved directly or indirectly with Citrea is malicious. Anyone wants to prove us otherwise? The co-founder has "ordinals maxi" in his bio which indicates that he is both a scammer and a malicious actor, but hey I am glad we are removing OP_RETURN limits for their sake. This will make Bitcoin so much better.  Roll Eyes

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Jameson Lopp is most definitely a bad actor sponsored by god only knows who.

Not just that, but he's one of those dumb kinda smart guys who thinks he is way smarter than he actually is and has almost no long-term attention span.

He mentioned my website in this little blog, which is part of why we've taken a fairly aggressive blockchain stance in v4. (https://blog.lopp.net/griefing-bitcoin-testnet/)

I don't understand changing Core for an ADHD spaz bad actor who gets off on drama. I've read the parrot answer from "them", but it feels so structured and unnatural.

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September 20, 2025, 07:01:26 AM
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Jameson Lopp is most definitely a bad actor sponsored by god only knows who.


Jameson Lopp runs a company called Casa, which offers Bitcoin storage and custody services. They also support some scammy shitcoins like Ethereum, which is a big red flag and shows what kind of people they are.

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Here is the two Citrea co-founders crying:  https://x.com/esadyusufatik/status/1899193515235561859

Someone should suggest them to modify Bitcoin Core and launch their own testnet network. Surely they're technically capable to do that when they claim they work on more complicated stuff (such as ZK Rollup).

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Someone should suggest them to modify Bitcoin Core and launch their own testnet network.
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Signet isn’t an option since we need to test hashrate-related proofs for BitVM, but Testnet4 is becoming more painful to use every day.
If they want a more stable network than testnet3 or testnet4, then they should use their own signet. If they don't want to use signet, then they should enforce Proof of Work inside Script. If they don't know, how to make a valid sidechain, even though that knowledge is flying around for months, then they are simply incompetent.
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September 20, 2025, 04:33:02 PM
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Jameson Lopp is most definitely a bad actor sponsored by god only knows who.

Not just that, but he's one of those dumb kinda smart guys who thinks he is way smarter than he actually is and has almost no long-term attention span.

He mentioned my website in this little blog, which is part of why we've taken a fairly aggressive blockchain stance in v4. (https://blog.lopp.net/griefing-bitcoin-testnet/)

I don't understand changing Core for an ADHD spaz bad actor who gets off on drama. I've read the parrot answer from "them", but it feels so structured and unnatural.

VC's start shitcoin projects and they lobby people with bigger twitter megaphones like Jameson Lopp to promote the platforms which allow these shitcoin projects (such as Bitcoin Core v30). Just follow the VC-money. Everyone supporting v30 has some $altcoin on their twitter bio.
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