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September 24, 2025, 12:32:52 PM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
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September 24, 2025, 12:48:36 PM
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What? rich people exempt from paying taxes? Do you know what you are saying op? I don't know if you understand what you are saying here in the topic you made. Because as far as I know if you don't pay taxes you can be charged as tax evaders. And all I know that are exempt from taxes are non-government organizations like the Foundation, Then another thing, whether rich or poor, they all pay taxes because these are the regulations in all countries around the world. It is also not true that wealthy people are exempt from taxes that must be paid, and besides all the goods that we buy,
you also know that there are taxes that consumers also pay.

Then what I also know is that the governments of each country survive on taxes, this becomes the source of funds for all countries around the world,
and if those who sit in government are bad, the taxes they collect from the constituents under their jurisdiction will only go to useless things.


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September 24, 2025, 12:57:02 PM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly.

By law, they were not exempted, but by the virtue of the immunity cover, they were protected and prevented from paying tax, i government official can easily address an issue over any citizen and easily run a check to know if such individual has been paying tax or not, while the government official don't have the same experience on this manner, because they have what protected them.

In my country, you will see the way the citizens are been embarrassed for expired driving documents, while if you check the government officials, most of them don't even have one not to talk of getting it expired, they drive through the cities in and out and no one stops them to check.

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September 24, 2025, 05:00:02 PM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?

Most of them are skillful in tax avoidance strategies. The rich can afford to hire smart financial advisors who can identify loopholes in tax laws. They know how to move their wealth to tax-free nations or establish companies in Offshore tax havens. They also take advantage of tax deductions and credits available in their countries.

There is also a political angle to these tax policies. Most politicians are rich or have connections to wealthy individuals. In fact, some of them were sponsored by big business owners. So, tax laws have to be made to favour these powerful individuals.   

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It is becase the rich has options unlike the poor. The rich can take their assets and move to some other country which offers better deals while the poor are stuck in their home country. The poor have no bargaining power. None. The rich can threaten the governments and the governments need the rich and their assets. That's why taxing the rich will never work because no matter what the governments do to tax them, the rich will take the necessary steps to protect their wealth. Taxation works only on the poor. The alternative is simply not possible. In a way, this current taxation system is a way to stop the poor from getting rich. It is nothing else. It is because if everybody was rich, nobody would have to go to work. If nobody works, who is going to bake bread? Somebody has to wage slave so some other lucky basturds can do nothing and consume the stuff which other people produce. Wealth is all relative.

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@mindrust answered correctly, the rich have more options, hence they can escape from taxes.

Recently working abroad for low middle class people is very popular, but not all of them can work abroad. They need to pay language courses and exam, which they don't even have any money for that, I haven't even mention about the flight ticket, funding for blocked account etc.

What? rich people exempt from paying taxes? Do you know what you are saying op? I don't know if you understand what you are saying here in the topic you made. Because as far as I know if you don't pay taxes you can be charged as tax evaders. And all I know that are exempt from taxes are non-government organizations like the Foundation
You're correct, but I do understand what @OP tried to say, he was just not clear enough.

Rich people are still getting taxed, actually government are happier because they will earn more. But, rich people have an option to hire tax consultant, lawyer and bribe the government, those two thing really powerful, the amount spent for them might be less than their total taxes.

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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
Because they know how tax works and how the system works with a loophole. And with that, they know how to escape being taxed heavily and only pays a little from the huge profits that they're getting. I think one incentive that we can think of is that they are employing a lot of people. But those employees are the ones that are being taxed rightly compared to them that knows how to escape being taxed heavily. We have to accept it that there is more incentives to the rich and that's why they are becoming richer than a normal person that works hard everyday, barely survive.

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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?

I have not been in that country or no there taxes format or if the wealthy people are tax free but however except the country do not imposed it on them will it work that way, paying taxes is not something everybody could be aware of those that's doing it especially countries with high technology, everything can be done online while some persons will be feeling that wealthy people are not paying. In my country taxes are applicable to both rich and the poor and as a wealthy person doing a business without paying, the government agencies will definitely stop your business and charge you almost a double of what you owe them. they do not charge the poor more than the rich because if calculating how there transactions work the rich always pay high.

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September 24, 2025, 07:11:42 PM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
There are two type of taxes such as direct and indirect tax.

Indirect tax is just same for everyone and they have to pay it no matter what and there is no exception or legal way to avoid it on most cases.

But the direct tax, such as income tax that is where the real game begins and taxation is multi multi-layered complicated system with too many loopholes just for the right people to exploit it, which is completely legal because the system is designed for the rich by the rich so it's obvious who they are giving an edge.

You want a way out? No one is stopping you from moving to Dubai where you pay zero tax. Tongue

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The deal is, you need to be self-employed. That's one way to avoid some taxes, even when you're an average earner. Rich people are usually smart or they employ smart people to manage their money for them.

When you're an employee, your employer has to pay taxes for hiring you. He pays some social security for you, insurance, also taxes for the money you're earning for him and he has to put some of that burden back on you. When you self-employ you can earn more for doing the same work because you're not sharing the burden with your employer.
When you register your own business you can register it as a partnership and here's where the fun begins. You can start a corporation that has a board of directors with only you as the only member. You can have a supervisory board where someone that you trust signs everything. The money managed by the supervisory board is used by the company, so it's not taxed, but the company can buy things that the board of directors want as long as there's a vote and the supervisor agrees to it.

So, let's say you want a new car. You write to the supervisor that the board has voted for a purchase of a new company car and the supervisor signs it. The car is not bought in your name but in the name of the company. You can use it as long as you like and pay 0 tax as long as you don't sell it to anyone and the company doesn't go bankrupt.
You want some cash for fuel? The board decides how much company funds you can spend on fuel every month and that's also tax free because you're using that car for work not pleasure Wink
 
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The rich are not exempted from paying tax, but they just know how to find ways to pay reduced tax, because they have the money and also understand the way the system works. They have the money to hire a good tax adviser,  that can help them pay less amount of tax than the actual amount.
Sometimes the government also overwrite their tax, because their money is needed to run the system and that can also be based  on connections. The truth is that they are not exempted from paying tax, but they find a way to maneuver it and end up paying a little amount.

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The rich pay taxes, and they pay a lot. Here in Brazil, the taxes levied on business owners, for example, are what prevent many hirings and often even compromise business growth. What can happen are deductions in the tax amounts that must be paid if donations are made to charity, public-private partnerships, or participation in government programs.

It's a way to pit the rich against the poor and vice versa. Depending on a company's revenue and tax regime, the tax rate can reach 30%. For individuals, the tax rate can reach 27.5%. Some companies, known as MEI (individual microentrepreneurs), fall under a tax regime with a fixed monthly rate, not a percentage, but a fixed amount.

In Brazil, there's no such thing as not paying taxes, except for those earning less than the minimum wage, who are exempt.

Note: I used entrepreneurs as an example because it is their businesses that generate the wealth they have.

 
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
it depends on the country that you will find yourself because most countries that does not have regulation, or rule's they are the country but we know bother for a rich man to pay a tax but a country whereby everyone is equal neither you are a rich man all you are command you must abide on the rules and regulation of that country, because then seems everyone to be equal, that is why they don't have any segregation or they don't have a rich man tax and the poor man tax

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September 24, 2025, 11:03:58 PM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly.

In a country where taxes are levied and collected properly, I don’t think anyone is exempt no matter your status in the society, not even the rich.

Although, there are times and some wealthy people that don’t pay well enough taxes as we would have hoped them to pay and that’s not because they refuse to pay but, they have a better understanding of the system and how it works.

These guys are able to find a loophole and exploit it for their own benefits. Secretes they share with their friends and the poor have no idea of it so, they keep paying a lot of taxes by the week.

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September 24, 2025, 11:39:26 PM
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The rich is not exempt from paying taxes. They too are required by law to pay tax and can actually be taken to court over the evasion or refusal to pay tax where you'll be fined. The rich has at their disposal, lawyers who can look for any legal loophole which then would be exploited into paying little to nothing in taxes.
The interesting part is when the government gives tax breaks to large scale businesses and corporations to supposedly encourage more investments in the country which should then lead to more job openings. These corporations would gladly accept the tax break without doing anything differently. This has happened countless times. It's also no surprise as the government and the rich pander to themselves.

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September 24, 2025, 11:46:46 PM
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is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
There is no one exempted from paying tax but some rich people who knows how to run their ways around finds a rout out of paying tax and it's a legal rout which they follow, such as making some charity donations that the rewards are not paying tax for some reasons or in some ways, so it's really not that they are not paying tax but they already paid the tax through the donations. this is basically from my perception, from interviews and podcast I have watched.

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September 24, 2025, 11:47:39 PM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes
A good part of a deep red pilling process with Bitcoin is the realization that most of the things in the world are completely broken and backwards.

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
Corruption through power.

@mindrust answered correctly, the rich have more options, hence they can escape from taxes.
And who created these options and why are they not closed? Because the rich bribe the politicians to create laws that give them options. That's all there is to it. They essentially paid to get tax exemptions. Just because there is no direct law that talks about exemptions it does not mean that they didn't effectively manage to do that. A lot of the people in this thread are wasting time talking about the fact that there is no real exemption.

Most of the ways of avoiding taxes for the rich are known and they are easily shut down but nobody is doing it. Have you not understood the world yet? You can pay to get almost anything as long as you have enough money.
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September 25, 2025, 02:16:39 AM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?
I don't think that's true, but if it's true then it could be some few rich guys that can do that, because majority of rich guys even pay higher tax according to their level of investment in such country. although there could be some rich loan evaders who has not been noticed by the government or tax agencies but I believe this rich folks could be among the currupt Rich people who pay their way out. I believe in most currupt countries the rich always have their way of boycotting the law since they have money. But we can not use that to generalize All rich people to assume they are tax evaders.

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September 25, 2025, 04:01:59 AM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?

By definition, tax is a mandatory contribution intended for the benefit of the state and its citizens. If it's mandatory, there are no exceptions, including for the wealthy or non-wealthy who meet the requirements for taxation.
I don't know the exact details of tax rates and implementation in every country, but basically, once the requirements are met, anyone, regardless of their social class, must pay taxes.

Wealthy individuals who don't pay taxes are considered illegal, although I don't deny that such groups exist in every country, and they usually try to avoid taxes through various means.

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September 25, 2025, 07:29:29 AM
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why is it that the wealthy ones usually exempt from paying taxes? when you are rich, you can basically pay no taxes and it will not be considered illegal exactly. you will not be filed a case if you avoid paying taxes no matter how. sometimes you are even exempt like for example living in uae or in monaco, the wealthiest people do not need to be paying taxes. but why is that? aren't the wealthy ones supposed to be paying more? instead it is the ones from middle class or lower that are paying so much for taxes

is there a reason why the rich are the ones that can escape taxes?

The reasons are two. Lobbyism/corruption and "tax heaven" offshore jurisdictions. The first one is more important than the second.
There are lots of tax loopholes in the legislation, which helps the rich people to legally avoid paying high taxes. If there are no tax loopholes, a rich person could simply move his funds to a "tax heaven" jurisdiction. The system cannot be changed, because the wealthy will always have a huge influence over the politicians and law makers. Capitalism turns into an oligarchy. This is inevitable. This is a hidden bug in the system.
You are kinda wrong about the rich people paying NO taxes. Most rich people are actually paying taxes, but they must pay more.

 
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