Tower.bet has stolen from us

[chunt666]

What happened::
I have lost thousands of dollars across multiple accounts to these guys, I compiled multiple datasets and used multiple AI models to analyze and search for irregularities with a very simple prompt. "i need you to  amnalyze this betting data and determine if its rigged" using Claude Sonnet 4 (Thinking) Online, GPT-5 Search, Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite Thinking, and Kimi K2 0905 Turbo (Moonshot AI). All 4 models across all 4 data sets came to the same conclusion.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2685005

Reference Link:
https://pastebin.com/mXG4UXer

Amount Scammed: 300LTC $31331.10
Payment Method: Litecoin
Proof of Payment:
https://litecoinspace.org/address/MWF7Bh3b6XBssYEHvS2YKv7VFWFFaAD5uE




EDIT: PM me your data, ill run it through my models and show you how youre getting robbed

[bitbollo]

I Had a quick look of your paste bin link, and I am really sorry to read about an huge lose

The % detected by AI (first image) has been determined after a certain number of iterations. This should be really larger to be "close" to the expected one.
If you sum the house edge + the number realized by your bet, you are really close to what expected.
Moreover, I mean, this is a gambling game. You must avoid to expect a "red" after a "black" even if the change is really high

The second image proves nothing. Just a random explanation about "your lose calculated from initial odd".
I understand frustration on lose on this kind of games, that's why I am completely avoid to playing slots and see dice as just pure entertainment.

[holydarkness]

What happened::
I have lost thousands of dollars across multiple accounts to these guys [...]

Excuse me?

[chunt666]

I Had a quick look of your paste bin link, and I am really sorry to read about an huge lose

The % detected by AI (first image) has been determined after a certain number of iterations. This should be really larger to be "close" to the expected one.
If you sum the house edge + the number realized by your bet, you are really close to what expected.
Moreover, I mean, this is a gambling game. You must avoid to expect a "red" after a "black" even if the change is really high

The second image proves nothing. Just a random explanation about "your lose calculated from initial odd".
I understand frustration on lose on this kind of games, that's why I am completely avoid to playing slots and see dice as just pure entertainment.

i play neither of those games as you should be able to see from the data, as for the second image, I am not sure what youre talking about as the second image is a picture of the wheel game in question. Maybe look at stuff before ya talk out of you caboose.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

What happened::
I have lost thousands of dollars across multiple accounts to these guys [...]

Excuse me?

That's what I was thinking. Not the smartest thing admitting to multi accounting in the opening post. Just to be sure, I checked their TOS just now and found several entries that state multiple accounts is not permitted. Obviously this doesn't change anything about what he accuses the site of but still, it's interesting.

[holydarkness]

Moving forward, I have to rush to a medical appointment that I can't attend forum related matters until as later in the morning as I usually can, but I've nudged some entities so I can get ahold of Tower representative's direct contact. I'll consult with them once I get it. And at the same time, I am trying to understand the four dataset.

I'll return much later tonight.

[Kirito89]

What happened::
I have lost thousands of dollars across multiple accounts to these guys, I compiled multiple datasets and used multiple AI models to analyze and search for irregularities with a very simple prompt. "i need you to  amnalyze this betting data and determine if its rigged" using Claude Sonnet 4 (Thinking) Online, GPT-5 Search, Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite Thinking, and Kimi K2 0905 Turbo (Moonshot AI). All 4 models across all 4 data sets came to the same conclusion.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2685005

Reference Link:
https://pastebin.com/mXG4UXer

Amount Scammed: 300LTC $31331.10
Payment Method: Litecoin
Proof of Payment:
https://litecoinspace.org/address/MWF7Bh3b6XBssYEHvS2YKv7VFWFFaAD5uE

Hi there,  looked a bit into your claim and I'll just like to point out 3 things.

1. You're claim is against a provably fair game, which simply means that every bet is verifiable and you can check if there were any "outside" interventions.

2. Judging from the total wager on your accounts vs losses, it brings you up to about 2, 2.5% house edge, pretty accurate with the games you've been playing. If we take into factor that you've played slot games aswell, which vary in range of house edge from 92%-97%, you're actually performing better than the expected results based on house edge.

3. With the bonuses you've received aswell over time, it brings your house edge significally lower to about 1.5%.


Please stop feeding AI modules with only a specific list of your bet history.  I see you even provided it a bet history of a TWG session ( TWG is an inhouse tower token which holds no value, its simply to test out the games) just to show the lossing sessions.


Have a nice day!




Kirito89,


Tower.bet Support.

[holydarkness]

So, aside from what Kirito said above about the game being provably fair, of which I wanted to brush if I didn't have to rush earlier today, that their code is made public so anyone can investigate if they're speaking the language, and the simpler version is accessible here: https://codepen.io/tower-bet/full/zYGzyOj

Have you tried to verify your sessions to see if they're rigged or not?



Further, I glimpsed at your pastebin too and the enormous log, I notice they're not showing the level of the Wheel game you played? While Tower's Wheel have three "difficulties" level:

[chunt666]

What happened::
I have lost thousands of dollars across multiple accounts to these guys, I compiled multiple datasets and used multiple AI models to analyze and search for irregularities with a very simple prompt. "i need you to  amnalyze this betting data and determine if its rigged" using Claude Sonnet 4 (Thinking) Online, GPT-5 Search, Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite Thinking, and Kimi K2 0905 Turbo (Moonshot AI). All 4 models across all 4 data sets came to the same conclusion.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2685005

Reference Link:
https://pastebin.com/mXG4UXer

Amount Scammed: 300LTC $31331.10
Payment Method: Litecoin
Proof of Payment:
https://litecoinspace.org/address/MWF7Bh3b6XBssYEHvS2YKv7VFWFFaAD5uE

Hi there,  looked a bit into your claim and I'll just like to point out 3 things.

1. You're claim is against a provably fair game, which simply means that every bet is verifiable and you can check if there were any "outside" interventions.

2. Judging from the total wager on your accounts vs losses, it brings you up to about 2, 2.5% house edge, pretty accurate with the games you've been playing. If we take into factor that you've played slot games aswell, which vary in range of house edge from 92%-97%, you're actually performing better than the expected results based on house edge.

3. With the bonuses you've received aswell over time, it brings your house edge significally lower to about 1.5%.


Please stop feeding AI modules with only a specific list of your bet history.  I see you even provided it a bet history of a TWG session ( TWG is an inhouse tower token which holds no value, its simply to test out the games) just to show the lossing sessions.


Have a nice day!




Kirito89,


Tower.bet Support.

You advertise its 98.17 RTP sweetheart and thats the same script of percentages that you guys sent me with a totally different set of data, which is mathematically wrong.