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October 02, 2025, 05:57:25 AM
Last edit: October 13, 2025, 06:38:29 AM by definitelynotsn
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What if he met with them, too, and met an unfortunate fate thereafter?

What if he was harmed and has lived in fear since, into hiding and never got to touch any of his money?

What if he signed paperwork, allowed them to drug him, and they took his words out of context while he was not of sound mind and used them against him?

What if all the fairy-tale stories of his living on an island somewhere just not touching the original coin to hide his identity are people doing what they do, thinking what they want?
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October 02, 2025, 06:10:06 AM
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Satoshi Nakamoto is alive, and his real name is Nick Szabo
Satoshi Nakamoto - Nick Szabo S.N - N.S

Szabo is the only one among all candidates who, decades before Bitcoin, was actively researching and developing concepts around money.
Here is one of his texts where he writes about the history and the concept of money.
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/shelling-out/

Before Bitcoin, he had a project very similar to Bitcoin called Bit Gold, but it failed The main reason Bit Gold failed was that there was no secure mechanism for digital scarcity  there was no way to prevent double-spending and to ensure that each unit  was unique and limited.It took Szabo 10 years for the problem to be solved and for Bitcoin to be created.

If you analyze Szabos texts and Satoshis writing on this forum, there are certain similarities in writing style, making it 99.9% likely that Szabo is Satoshi.

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October 02, 2025, 02:12:01 PM
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Subject says it all.

What if he met with them, too, and met an unfortunate fate?

What if he was severely harmed and has lived in fear since, into hiding and never got to touch any of his money?

What if he signed paperwork, allowed them to drug him, and they took his words out of context while he was not of sound mind and used them against him to justify state-sanctioned appropriation and destroyed his life?

What if they lobotomized him and destroyed his memory?

What if all the fairy-tale stories of his living on an island somewhere just not touching the original coin to hide his identity are people doing what they do, thinking what they want?

Maybe Bitcoin was viewed as a viable competitor to the petro-dollar and certain parties were not happy about it.
You're entire statement is filled with "what if", now what if the entire narrative that you've asserted is not true, what if satoshi nakamoto is very much alive and probably living a private and quiet life enjoying himself, what he has created is part of what I will call the eight wonders of the world and humanity is enjoying it, so what will CIA stand to gain if they decides to witch-hunt such a person?.
I believe such a person as satoshi nakamoto should rather be an asset in which the CIA should hold in high esteem, according him all the respect and privileges the person of that status should enjoy.











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October 02, 2025, 04:22:02 PM
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What if you taking something that you shouldn't?
I don't even know if this is a side effect of watching many movies.

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What if you found out the CIA robbed Satoshi?
Wouldn't really change much other that ownership changing hands
Because they can't do much at part from selling and affecting price
Owning large numbers of Bitcoin doesn't give one power over the network.
This isn't POS.

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October 02, 2025, 04:30:38 PM
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BTC doesn't rely on Satoshi himself.

And that would surely not be the end of it.

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October 02, 2025, 07:23:56 PM
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....  Roll Eyes The OP has been watching too many movies and hanging out in too many conspiracy chat rooms. Pure fantasy and pointless speculation on an impossible scenario.

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October 04, 2025, 04:31:40 PM
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But why to think in that tangent that's not possible why would anybody would want to rob Satoshi Nakomoto sir if they are letting people to earn through their technology as it's totally hypothetical and seems like fun or joke only
and it's always suggested to think positively only because thoughts create energy and those who don't have knowledge do robbing and mafia stuff only
so their should be network as well as person security as well through the advancement of technology so that everybody will feel safe and live healthy lifestyle...
::: CIA is (Central Intelligence Agency) and I don't think they would ever do this
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October 04, 2025, 04:46:16 PM
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I cannot openly protest for his release but I can make donations if needed to get him lawyer and everything needed to set him free. I don't want to imagine something like that happening but should it happen, it will definitely affect all bitcoin enthusiast especially in the aspect of price of bitcoin dumping due to the news. If such thing happen too, they will aim to seize his bitcoin as a way of bargaining for his freedom. 











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October 04, 2025, 07:12:43 PM
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Maybe Bitcoin was viewed as a viable competitor to the petro-dollar and certain parties were not happy about it.
We know that, but why would they leave his bitcoins untouched or try to destroy Bitcoin if they could find him? Why would they let everyone go normally when they knew it was a competitor for them and is here to provide people with financial anonymity? You can't just say things and make no valid points at all. Whatever you said makes no sense to me, because if that was the case, things wouldn't be the way they are today, something like this could not stay hidden for this long.

That being said, I don't see a point in discussing this even if any of that was true, because if things are normal, Bitcoin is still up and running, Satoshi's identity is still unknown, and there are no problems for anyone using Bitcoin, in fact, countries have now started legalizing its usage, so I don't know why we are discussing something without much of a reason. There are better things that we could be discussing instead.

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October 04, 2025, 07:56:26 PM
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Maybe Bitcoin was viewed as a viable competitor to the petro-dollar and certain parties were not happy about it.
Even if this ridiculous scenario that your mind came up with from watching too much television were true, what about it? It changes nothing about what Bitcoin is. Satoshi is completely irrelevant, that is the whole point of Bitcoin.

Satoshi Nakamoto is alive, and his real name is Nick Szabo
Satoshi Nakamoto - Nick Szabo S.N - N.S
Maybe but it does not matter either way.

If you analyze Szabos texts and Satoshis writing on this forum, there are certain similarities in writing style, making it 99.9% likely that Szabo is Satoshi.
No, you just made that number up. There is not an objectively forensic analysis of the writing styles between the two that yields a 99.9% likelihood.

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I dont mind if you've been watching too many movies OP. The entire story surrounding Satoshi's creation and his disappearance is questionable. There's a lot of questions to be asked but no one can give the right answer to them, because of uncertainty.

I want you to know that someday Satoshi will die, and his motive for disappearing might just keep his legacy going. He exist, he lives among us, he sees and someday he is going to seize to exit but Bitcoin wont.

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Wouldn't happen I believe.
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Satoshi Nakamoto is alive, and his real name is Nick Szabo
Satoshi Nakamoto - Nick Szabo S.N - N.S

Szabo is the only one among all candidates who, decades before Bitcoin, was actively researching and developing concepts around money.
Here is one of his texts where he writes about the history and the concept of money.
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/shelling-out/

Before Bitcoin, he had a project very similar to Bitcoin called Bit Gold, but it failed The main reason Bit Gold failed was that there was no secure mechanism for digital scarcity  there was no way to prevent double-spending and to ensure that each unit  was unique and limited.It took Szabo 10 years for the problem to be solved and for Bitcoin to be created.

If you analyze Szabos texts and Satoshis writing on this forum, there are certain similarities in writing style, making it 99.9% likely that Szabo is Satoshi.

I am sorry to say but if this is all you have to show that this man is the real Satoshi it is not going to work, and even if we are to accept he (Satoshi) doesn't want to be found, there are few ways that the real Satoshi can prove that he is the real one, log into his account on this forum, do some signing on BTC Address that originally belong to him, then we will believe, apart from these two options even if he is the real one it is still not proven. And if somewhere inside of your gut keeps telling you that he is the real one I want you to know that some things are better left untoched, and Satoshi's case is one of them, he doesn't want to be found.

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Last edit: October 11, 2025, 04:23:06 AM by definitelynotsn
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Satoshi Nakamoto is alive, and his real name is Nick Szabo
Satoshi Nakamoto - Nick Szabo S.N - N.S

Szabo is the only one among all candidates who, decades before Bitcoin, was actively researching and developing concepts around money.
Here is one of his texts where he writes about the history and the concept of money.
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/shelling-out/

Before Bitcoin, he had a project very similar to Bitcoin called Bit Gold, but it failed The main reason Bit Gold failed was that there was no secure mechanism for digital scarcity  there was no way to prevent double-spending and to ensure that each unit  was unique and limited.It took Szabo 10 years for the problem to be solved and for Bitcoin to be created.

If you analyze Szabos texts and Satoshis writing on this forum, there are certain similarities in writing style, making it 99.9% likely that Szabo is Satoshi.

Have you ever heard of negativity bias in psychology? People tend to think that they always hit the stoplights when driving, but research shows it is a function of the focus on stoplights due to the frustration of having to stop, rather than actually hitting them more often than green lights. You do not think about the green light as you just pass through it. It causes no issue for you, it does not change the fluid situation of driving, and it does not add time to your route. The stop light, on the other hand, it stands out, and you remember it. Nick Szabo checks some of the boxes, he’s a satisfactory figure, and some things seem to line up, just like making the assumption that you keep hitting every stoplight, when in reality, you drove through plenty of green lights. We assume based on what we notice, and ignore what we glaze over, what doesn’t seem to fit for superficial reasons, rather than what actually matters.

Examples of inventions where another party worked on a previous iteration abound throughout history. The telephone, for example. Bell patented and commercialized a practical system where Antonio Meucci and Elisha Gray had worked on voice transmission prototypes. The Wright brothers airplane combined propulsion and 3-axis control to expand on the technology of gliders their predecessors had worked on. Humphrey Davy, Warren de la Rue, and Joseph Swan all build incandescent lamps prior to Edison’s invention of the light bulb. He solved the remaining issues of filament life and controlled power distribution. Automobiles were not popular until Ford made them affordable, but they had been around. Edward Jenner’s smallpox vaccine was not the first, but introduced a safer and more systematic method of production and distribution. Other examples include the printing press, computers, smartphones, photography etc. Often, early iterations are just missing one thing that makes the invention viable, useful enough, or of low enough cost to be adopted. More often than not, someone else comes along and sees what could fill the gap that their predecessors missed, and acts on it. The problem is often the viability of integration into daily life as a byproduct of the invention’s utility, or a missing piece of the puzzle to it’s functionality allowing viable use in general. Szabo having worked on Bit Gold does not inherently imply that he came back around to make Bitcoin. Why not just iterate on Bit Gold? His personality would suggest he would do it publicly, as well, just like Bit Gold. Others have taken cracks at the exact problem of digital money itself as well aside from Szabo. Chaum, Back, Wei Dai, even Finney’s digital trading cards all served as pieces to the puzzle, though none of them were Satoshi.

Regarding the stylometry, I would encourage you to further research the accuracy and reliability of the methods used. Work by Brannin, Afroz & Greenstadt, as well as others like Koppel have largely disproved the statistical reliability of such methods of pinning authors to multiple writings. There are multiple underlying assumptions that are required to be true in order for the reliability of it to have any bearing whatsoever. Once the possible authors is expanded past a small subset, the reliability tanks and false positives skyrocket. Discussion of Nick Szabo's use of the term "proof-of-work" as a sign of identity are less likely than Satoshi re-using the term, having come across it during his research phase. Analysis of similarities range from spot on to not at all alike, depending on the researcher and method. Inconclusive, at best.

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/12/16/no-nick-szabo-wasnt-satoshi-in-2014-either/

Yes, Szabo wrote about money and it’s origins. Hundreds of thousands of papers have been written regarding the origins and history of money. Many Economics, Anthropology, History, Archaeology, Political Science, Sociology, Law, and Philosophy students have researched and written papers on the subject. There are “similarities” in almost everyone’s writing. Look for them, and you’ll find them. To say someone having written about the subject implies they are Satoshi is like saying someone drives a car so they must be the guy who robbed that bank, as the suspect drove a car.

Further, anyone trying to hide their identity can benefit from a good patsy. It is entirely plausible that IF there is any viability to the initials being the reverse of his, that it was intentional by a 3rd party. Aside, it’s not really a good sign of anything, rather a nice coincidence one may take to mean what it doesn’t while trying to make dots connect that don’t. The initials also probably happen to coincide with multiple people’s initials in a given social circle, without being very large. The birthday problem is a good example of how likely something is statistically, where intuitively it is not. Two people’s birthday’s in a given random subset match up far more often than one would assume.

At the end of the day, precursor work is very, very common in the world of innovation. It’s often a necessity, not a sign of origin. Stylometry here is a very weak methodology for establishing authorship, statistically flawed, and easily deliberately defeated by an intelligent author trying to hide their identity. The breakthrough that allowed Bitcoin to be, and the follow-through that made it happen were not Nick Szabo, although his early work on Bit Gold did contribute. To quote a random person on Reddit: “A common problem in those attempts to identify Satoshi is that they all start by assuming that he was, not only a cypherpunk, but a well-known cypherpunk.” Imagine the police trying to catch a murderer by comparing his fingerprints to those of Charles Manson, O. J. Simpson, Ted Kaczinsky, and Ted Bundy, and closing with the best match among those.”

Perhaps Satoshi was an outsider.

I understand the desire to put the Satoshi mystery to bed, and at this point, the identity is irrelevant to Bitcoin itself. However, it is bothersome how so many people jump onto the fantasy ending, despite the unlikely nature of it given the untouched coin, the cryptic last posts, and going silent. Continuing mining early on would damage the very thing that so much effort went into building if not to just get it to where others were keeping the network afloat. People seem to not consider that, you've got to leave the rest to others and not contribute to pushing the difficulty too high early on. It's an inhibitor to early adopters. Being greedy and continuing mining too much yourself could actually hurt the trajectory. Not to mention, once you've got ~5% of the supply, you'd probably feel like that should be plenty of a nest egg in the long-term if it takes off.

The "watching too many movies" thing is hilarious. Another common psychological fallacy. People always tend to think bizarre things or horrible things only happen in movies, it's a comfort thing. Many of the things that happen in movies happen all the time in real life. They just don't happen to you, so you feel like they don't happen at all, because you only see them in movies. The powers of certain government agencies post cold war and then again post 9/11 would make a lot of people very uncomfortable. Some of the things that happen behind the scenes that are kept from the public people would assume can't happen, can and do happen, especially if someone is tricked into signing something.
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I cannot openly protest for his release but I can make donations if needed to get him lawyer and everything needed to set him free. I don't want to imagine something like that happening but should it happen, it will definitely affect all bitcoin enthusiast especially in the aspect of price of bitcoin dumping due to the news. If such thing happen too, they will aim to seize his bitcoin as a way of bargaining for his freedom. 
Let's assume something like that happens (which is still unlikely because if it was possible by now we could have been a news) someone like himself will know the danger of handing over all his coins access to them will cause in the market and for someone like that, no matter what they claim to ask from him, they will not want to set him free and on the other hand requesting to seize all his bitcoin he might never admit to having any talk more of ha don over access to it to them.

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Satoshi Nakamoto is alive, and his real name is Nick Szabo
Satoshi Nakamoto - Nick Szabo S.N - N.S

Szabo is the only one among all candidates who, decades before Bitcoin, was actively researching and developing concepts around money.
Here is one of his texts where he writes about the history and the concept of money.
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/shelling-out/

Before Bitcoin, he had a project very similar to Bitcoin called Bit Gold, but it failed The main reason Bit Gold failed was that there was no secure mechanism for digital scarcity  there was no way to prevent double-spending and to ensure that each unit  was unique and limited.It took Szabo 10 years for the problem to be solved and for Bitcoin to be created.

If you analyze Szabos texts and Satoshis writing on this forum, there are certain similarities in writing style, making it 99.9% likely that Szabo is Satoshi.

This is a new story i come accross regarding the Nakamoto search campaign different from what we used to see with Craig Wright. I remember see many other thinkers talking about the concept of money even before Szabo. So if i can find similarities with Satoshi style, would i say that they are the same person?

This narrative looks so logic if "according to you" there is a clear similarity between Szabo and Nakamoto. Can you please provide more proofs that the similarities was proven right? I am not an English native speacker on my own and i can't make the differences myself.


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Dead of alive, Satoshi already left his legacy behind for us to enjoy. For a guy like him, you don't expect him not to have a reasonable amount of Bitcoin that the masses knows nothing about. All we know are those that were said to be owned by him while he was still around. He's a smart guy so I don't expect less.

The government are still very much in search of his identity and we know they will never get to find him.

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Dead of alive, Satoshi already left his legacy behind for us to enjoy. For a guy like him, you don't expect him not to have a reasonable amount of Bitcoin that the masses knows nothing about. All we know are those that were said to be owned by him while he was still around. He's a smart guy so I don't expect less.

The government are still very much in search of his identity and we know they will never get to find him.

"Smart people do stupid things."

Happens all the time. The rational assumption is, of course, he'd have plenty of coin, but it's also totally possible he lost access. Honestly, it's more likely given the complete lack of movement despite how close CSW seemed to be at times. In that event, hardware failure or otherwise, it would be nearly impossible to get people to believe someone was who they say they are.

From the info given by people who dealt directly with him in the limited manner a few did, Satoshi was a principled person who wanted to do good in the world and stood for Liberty. It's entirely possible that knowing how much that stash could very well be worth, that he knew it was too much for one man and put a good portion of it to a better cause, or tried to. Unfortunately, with bureaucratic organizations there is a lot of room for miscommunication, misunderstanding, and people are people at the end of the day, so jealousy over that kind of money could very well come into play.

This is not an accusation but a consideration that, maybe it's not all sunshine and roses with Satoshi. In fact, it seems far more likely that something bad happened, especially given the cryptic posts. The next questions would be who, why and how?

Knowing the CIA was talking to people right before his disappearance it raises questions as to why didn't they talk to him and it seems unlikely that they wouldn't have been able to figure out who he was. There have been theories that he worked something out with them and some sort of misunderstanding or abuse of power occurred that took things beyond what was agreed upon, and maybe people tried to cover up their mess. Doesn't necessarily mean he's dead, but without the money or genesis block key it would be nearly impossible for someone to come out and say who they are, especially after the damage CSW & Co. did.
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October 12, 2025, 10:18:37 AM
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Satoshi Nakamoto is alive, and his real name is Nick Szabo
Satoshi Nakamoto - Nick Szabo S.N - N.S

Szabo is the only one among all candidates who, decades before Bitcoin, was actively researching and developing concepts around money.
Here is one of his texts where he writes about the history and the concept of money.
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/shelling-out/

Before Bitcoin, he had a project very similar to Bitcoin called Bit Gold, but it failed The main reason Bit Gold failed was that there was no secure mechanism for digital scarcity  there was no way to prevent double-spending and to ensure that each unit  was unique and limited.It took Szabo 10 years for the problem to be solved and for Bitcoin to be created.

If you analyze Szabos texts and Satoshis writing on this forum, there are certain similarities in writing style, making it 99.9% likely that Szabo is Satoshi.

This is a new story i come accross regarding the Nakamoto search campaign different from what we used to see with Craig Wright. I remember see many other thinkers talking about the concept of money even before Szabo. So if i can find similarities with Satoshi style, would i say that they are the same person?

This narrative looks so logic if "according to you" there is a clear similarity between Szabo and Nakamoto. Can you please provide more proofs that the similarities was proven right? I am not an English native speacker on my own and i can't make the differences myself.

There's no accurate or hard proof that can point out the real identity of Satoshi and even if they said that Szabo is the closest entity that can be point out to be the real Satoshi still it doesn't unveil everything.

That's why the identity of Satoshi remain to be mysterious and search campaigns still didn't end up yet. Many people are still curious on his whereabouts.

But for OP maybe he should read this since I think this is an interesting story about what happen in the past https://plasbit.com/blog/gavin-andresen-cia

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This is not an accusation but a consideration that, maybe it's not all sunshine and roses with Satoshi. In fact, it seems far more likely that something bad happened, especially given the cryptic posts. The next questions would be who, why and how?
We will unfortunately likely never find out if this was the case anyway.  I do also have similar expectations, particularly considering I am very paranoid in general and knowing the three letter agencies have control over much more of the technology the average person thinks.  I doubt they did not get a hold on him, although there is a mere possibility that Satoshi did absolutely every single step properly with no vulnerabilities or finger prints left.

I imagine the only way they could do it is by being overly paranoid and doing things like using a pre paid SIM card in the middle of no where, placing the devices into a Faraday cage at the end of the communication and always switching places.  Then if agencies are curious to find out who he is, they would have to go to various places no building exists on.

There are many questions I used to have about how he did every thing SO well that no body can get a glimpse of who his real identity was.  Not that I wish they would.  I believe the best scenario is that no body ever gets to know who Satoshi was, simply because he deserves his Privacy.  Even if it was the CIA themselves who built Bitcoin and then lost control.  Privacy has no borders to me, unlike many governments who nowadays suggest other wise.
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