How is wagering calculated correctly?

[tvplus006]

On September 26 and 27, 2025, I participated in the "Predict the Goal" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5560250 (Archived: https://archive.fo/BD021) and "Free Lottery" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5560369.0 (Archived: https://archive.fo/nMGPE), where, according to the results of the contest, I received $45 with the condition of a 1x wagering requirement.


While betting on the Xyes.com, I noticed that wagering is not credited correctly and actually x10 wagering is required to fully wager the bonus. After that, I contacted customer support to clarify the situation, and received the following message: "The stake amount is $1, and the odds are 1.1. The payout is $1.1.
Payout - stake amount = valid wager, so this valid wager is $0.1."


In this regard, I have a question for the experts.: "Either the wagering conditions on the Bitcointalk forum are incorrectly stated, or the casino does not comply with these conditions?"

Your answers are important to me, as it is possible that this topic will be moved to the "Scam Accusations" board.

[dimonstration]

That’s not how wager being calculated. It’s the amount you wager regardless of the odds you are betting.

There’s some bonus that specify the wager percentage on each game type such as 100% count on slot and sports betting, 10% count on house game and so on.

If there’s no specific rules on the bonus ToS on how wager count on each game then it means it’s 1:1 count to your bet.

The support is counting the PnL. LOL

[bitbollo]

Wager, unless specified elsewhere like in some FAQ or ToS should be interpreted as the amount that you place in each bet.
It could be possible to justify this count with "odd" if they consider a minimum amount for each play!
I mean, maybe they expect a 1x like that you need to wager at 2.00 the amount you win. Anyway, they are not accepting only in one bet but divided by more bets.
This is just what I can understand... of course it would be better to get a clarification from them.

[MAAManda]

I've never experienced anything like that. AFAIK, if the terms are 1x wagering requirement, then it should be $45 total bet. It might be different case if the $45 credited to your account was FB (Freebet), but specifically for the one we're discussing, you should be able to make a withdrawal. It's possible the information on the platform & on Bitcointalk doesn't match. If that's the case, it's best to ask their representatives on Bitcointalk directly.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Amount wagered must be the amount you bet on any casino games. But it will depend on casino rules.
as for the BETFURY, Their wagering with 1x is good but  any win much be better than 1.37 odds. Check the rules of the casino of XYES before you go to scam accusation.

[panjul07]

In normal and general situation, I mean when we are gambling with our own money, wager means the amount we place on the bet no matter how much the odds of the bet.
Still there are some casinos that may have different system, stake for example where they count sports bet 3x bigger of the initial bet amount in case of the wagering progress for the VIP program.
In more special case like bonuses such as deposit bonus or no deposit bonus, not all games contributes 100% toward wagering.
For your case as you are in Xyes, perhaps that's how their wager calculation system for the bonus including the amount you win from their contest.
I'm not familiar with this casino but I tried to check their bonus page and I found about Valid wager formula which is the same as the one given by the support to you.



If it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.
I do not try to defend xyes as I have nothing to do with them, just saying my opinion based on what I can see here.

[xLays]

I'm also one of the users who won in that contest. I turned my $25 prize into $53 and met all the wagering requirements, even with the x10 condition. What surprised me was when I tried to withdraw, I was only allowed to cash out a maximum of $28. I don’t know why the remaining $25 couldn’t be withdrawn. I didn’t bother asking support since it was just $25, so I placed it on sports instead.

In your case since you won two prizes or contests, maybe there was some misunderstanding on their team’s side..

[Agbamoni]

In May I won a freebet in Xyes casino, with 1x wagering requirement.
Now look at the bet I placed, Staked with 24$ at 1.13 odds to win 27$. I won this bet but my profit there was only 3$ as the initial 24$ must be used to wager again.

Now this is the confusion. Unlike other casino I have experience with. Once you bet with a freebet, your potential winning is the profit, your freebt amount will be minus from the potential win while in Xyes all winnings is sent to you until you. But the initial freebet amount cant be withraw.

[Beparanf]

If it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.
I do not try to defend xyes as I have nothing to do with them, just saying my opinion based on what I can see here.

This is an instant rebate computation while the bonus OP pertaining probably from one of the giveaway done by Xyes on the forum.

Normally x1 wager should be the normal wager count by every casino if there’s no specific rules just like that rebate computation on the giveaway thread.

This casino is so shady if they count wager in a form of rebate computation.

[tvplus006]

... it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.

Yes, I'm familiar with the rules of Xyes.com, but my question looked a little different from what you're trying to explain to me: "Either the wagering conditions on the Bitcointalk forum are incorrectly stated, or does the casino not comply with these conditions?" It turns out that the manager did not formulate the wagering rules correctly after all?

[Findingnemo]

If it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.
I do not try to defend xyes as I have nothing to do with them, just saying my opinion based on what I can see here.

In stake and most other casinos the amount we bet on will be considered as the wagering amount and there maybe some calculation used like 1x for casino bets 3x for sportsbetting and like that but this is the first time I am seeing they consider valid wager from the total payout which isn't common but as said if they mentioned in their rules of contest then it will be calculated based on that.

[Beparanf]

If it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.
I do not try to defend xyes as I have nothing to do with them, just saying my opinion based on what I can see here.

In stake and most other casinos the amount we bet on will be considered as the wagering amount and there maybe some calculation used like 1x for casino bets 3x for sportsbetting and like that but this is the first time I am seeing they consider valid wager from the total payout which isn't common but as said if they mentioned in their rules of contest then it will be calculated based on that.

Because that’s the normal wager calculation and should be the general calculation on wager count on bonus.

This casino formulate their own way to count wager which is extra hard since you need to bet on 2.0 odds or more just to have a 1:1 wager count on each bet which is sucks given that the bonus in question here is a reward from a contest not a regular bonus given by the casino.

@tvplus006 what’s the opinion of Xyes bitcointalk representative about this matter? By any chance the live support doesn’t know that your bonus is a reward from the forum giveaway?

[panjul07]

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This is an instant rebate computation while the bonus OP pertaining probably from one of the giveaway done by Xyes on the forum.

Normally x1 wager should be the normal wager count by every casino if there’s no specific rules just like that rebate computation on the giveaway thread.

This casino is so shady if they count wager in a form of rebate computation.

I know that's for instant rebate but that's not the point, my point is about how the casino classify what is "valid wager" for them and what is shown above must be their own rule as it is the same as what the support says to OP.

... it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.

Yes, I'm familiar with the rules of Xyes.com, but my question looked a little different from what you're trying to explain to me: "Either the wagering conditions on the Bitcointalk forum are incorrectly stated, or does the casino not comply with these conditions?" It turns out that the manager did not formulate the wagering rules correctly after all?

As I said previously, wagering in normal condition should be based on the amount we bet but there can be casinos which classify it differently and they do not have to comply with the general rule because every casino has the right to create their own rules.
Probably the problem is that the host of the contest did not explain about this rules well while they are aware that they have different rules for the wagering purpose on bonuses compared to other bookies/casinos.

[Findingnemo]

This casino formulate their own way to count wager which is extra hard since you need to bet on 2.0 odds or more just to have a 1:1 wager count on each bet which is sucks given that the bonus in question here is a reward from a contest not a regular bonus given by the casino.

@tvplus006 what’s the opinion of Xyes bitcointalk representative about this matter? By any chance the live support doesn’t know that your bonus is a reward from the forum giveaway?

Looks like some kind of rewards or giveaway basically free money and casinos don't like when players able to take away from their balance so these special requirements are placed to reduce the risk but still it is not something we call it as impossible task to do. Next time better choose the casinos wisely, and to me bonus and any kind of extra perks are irrelevant.

[swogerino]

Wager is calculated very easy in all casinos I have played and that is not correct. Let me give you an example, I have played 100 bets each one with 1000 IDR as value, no matter what happens if I lose all the balance without winning anything or I win big time the wager is 100.000 IDR and that is how each of the big casinos like Bc.game and Stake make their measurement of the wagering each person does. There is nothing more to it, if any other casino uses another way I doubt they do it the correct way.

[Z_MBFM]

The more dollars you place in valid bets, the more dollars your wagering will be. This is a normal calculation and this is how it is calculated, but if you have taken a bonus and there is a special requirement, then you have to follow it. I once took a deposit bonus, there was such a requirement and wagering was counted this way. So before taking the bonus, always read the ToS carefully first, then everything will be clear to you. If you deposit normally without a bonus, then in that case, your valid bet amount is counted as wagering, I know this.

[Botnake]

I don’t really know about the rules of a certain casino, especially when it comes to competitions. but it’s easy to understand what “wagers” means… it’s just about how much you bet and how many times you wager it.

Sometimes it gets tricky, especially in promos or competitions. i’ve witnessed a wagering contest before and the winners were simply the ones who wagered the most, regardless of the outcome. so yeah, i think that should be the only criteria.

[₿itcoin]

You are not wrong to be suspicious at all dude. All casinos treat our entire stake as our wager volum, Only our winnings are considered as wagering money, this is the first time I have heard of this. So their support replied to you payout-stake=valid wager is kinda nonsense. If your  1 $ bet at 1.1 return you 1.10 $, the profit is only 10 cent &  if they only consider your winning amount 0.1 $ as your valid wager amount, then your 1× requirment really becomes 10× wtf, you would have to wager 450$ to clear 45$ lol ... as that games &  rounds  promise you 1×, so better push them for full transperancy, also you could demand a correction or refund. If you think the dedicated forum representative dodge you, then document everything, & make a thread on scam accusation section.

[stadus]

If judging by the title alone, “wagering requirement” can be misleading. whatever casino you check, a wagering requirement is always based on how much you wager, and it doesn’t include the odds or the payout you’ll receive if your bet wins.

But if the rules are written very specific, then that should be followed. sometimes casinos use that kind of marketing trick to entice players and when they say “1x wagering requirement,” it’s very unlikely to apply, especially on wins from bonuses or competitions, particularly if it’s free.

[danherbias07]

If it is already written, means that it is their terms and once you have registered an account here means that you have agreed with the terms.
I do not try to defend xyes as I have nothing to do with them, just saying my opinion based on what I can see here.

In stake and most other casinos the amount we bet on will be considered as the wagering amount and there maybe some calculation used like 1x for casino bets 3x for sportsbetting and like that but this is the first time I am seeing they consider valid wager from the total payout which isn't common but as said if they mentioned in their rules of contest then it will be calculated based on that.

Now it got me curious about what other gambling sites and sports bookies will say about this. I want to see their calculations on how a wagering amount is computed.

In Stake.com, yes, it's 1:1 on slot games and 1:3 on sports betting. Maybe they have seen how less the wagered amount the sports bettors have, especially those who really focus on sports only and not playing any casino games.
I don't know about the rules on the website OP said, but if they input it as the formula said by another member, then I guess it could happen as long as they input it in their TOS.