Unity and Liberty: Do you participate in society?

[caroasi]

Unity is a virtue, but as a container for other virtues. If one unifies around something good, then the unity is good, but unity around a bad is bad. Liberty is is a virtue in the same way. If one uses their liberty to greedy ends, then the result is bad, while if they use their liberty for generosity then the result is good. Furthermore, every virtue is also something that can require skill to do well. Other virtues such as love are good standing alone, and that is also a skill. Building a civil society that transcends evils of mankind is a complex task for the reason that all three of these virtues are needed together. A famous libertarian knows freedom well. A famous unitarian knows unity well. And a famous lover knows love well. And none of that is enough for a civil society, because all three must be adopted together, though the adoption is made less difficult by using one virtue to help arrive at another.

There is a certain opposite of unity and liberty. Unity of others can sometimes involve compromise, so one can compromise away their freedoms. Freedom can mean parting ways from a unified crowd and marching to one's own beat, taking away unity. So, the two virtues sometimes contrast. Where they come together in whole is when there is unity around a shared virtue in a voluntary agreement. Libertarians often ignore unity entirely, marching to their own beat. But they then don't get all the positive benefits of unity. They don't get the strength of numbers, and the sense of community or belonging. Communists often reject liberty, ensuring the strength of numbers and sense of community. But, they don't get inner peace as conflict simmers, sometimes invisibly, in their land. With the skill of civility, one can enjoy both unity and liberty together by way of seeking unity in a voluntary way, and seeking liberty with others. This concept is neither a communist mandate of "you've been volunteered by demand of proximity" nor a capitalist or monopolist lone ranger "I don't want friends, I've got me, myself, and I".

Humans are codependent. Most humans do not have the ability to exist alone on a deserted island. Most humans have dramatically different ideas of the best ways to get along together, ranging from pacifism to dictatorship, from requiring the free sharing of all things to never require any one to share anything for any reason. And for that reason, unity is not only wanted but to some degree a need. But humans are miserable when their entire life is entirely decided to the finest details by other people without any say about them self, so liberty is wanted at the same time. Therefore, there is a natural duty to cooperate and negotiate in development of a civil society for liberties and unity. And even then, both of these virtues are only a foundation for others, not essential values in and of them self, so they only work in a society of people who are sufficiently generous rather than greedy. Develop your skills of unity and liberty well with a helping of generosity, and we'll have a civil society.

The challenge of civility is a hard problem demanding better resolution than we have now build on unity, liberty, by love and other virtues. Are you participating in society by any ways by unity? Within that, are you doing your duty to negotiate, and how so? Is unity more important or less important than liberty to you in that context?

[franky1]

unity is about finding common similarities and agreement
liberty is the freedom to do what you want without others restricting you

unity is to agree on mutual terms to co-exist. creating positive laws that benefit the majority
liberty is to defy laws, to do things for ones own individual freedom/desire

liberty are the wild west cowboys living off grid, unity are the civil society in towns/cities

[caroasi]

unity is about finding common similarities and agreement
liberty is the freedom to do what you want without others restricting you

unity is to agree on mutual terms to co-exist. creating positive laws that benefit the majority
liberty is to defy laws, to do things for ones own individual freedom/desire

liberty are the wild west cowboys living off grid, unity are the civil society in towns/cities

Do you believe that liberty comes with a duty to negotiate? Do you believe unity comes with a mandate of a voluntary agreement?

[Ucy]

Combining the two (Unity and Liberty) successfully, is completely solved in the Body of CHRIST (The Church).
The Church is the unity of believers (Christains) to form a single Body where CHRIST is the HEAD. What follows is liberty: "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". — From Book Of Corinthians

No way humans can be free without the CREATOR to help them. In true liberty, humans can take decisions like adults and no one restricting them because the SPIRIT in them will help them do things right and avoid conflicts.
When there are needs, the HEAD handles them by using or controlling other parts of the body specially designed for the needs. No one cheats, lie, fight, hate etc. Things just work as they should. There is love or strong desire to do things right and help one another  
Those who wish to build a successful society must consider this otherwise freedom plus unity becomes impossible.




* By the way, if you're wondering why the "churches" in today's world are not like what is described above. It's because they are not really true churches or are not fully doing what is required of them. They are basically fully worldly or part church part worldly. It's difficult to find a true one

[franky1]

unity is about finding common similarities and agreement
liberty is the freedom to do what you want without others restricting you

unity is to agree on mutual terms to co-exist. creating positive laws that benefit the majority
liberty is to defy laws, to do things for ones own individual freedom/desire

liberty are the wild west cowboys living off grid, unity are the civil society in towns/cities

Do you believe that liberty comes with a duty to negotiate? Do you believe unity comes with a mandate of a voluntary agreement?

liberty:
this is why washington is so different to florida. because peoples different views of their own liberty then has a state that fits their liberties better. EG texas is different than NY. there is no duty to negotiate, they can just move to a more fitting area that suits their desires

obviously things would still be wild west outlaw liberty if it were not for civility. which is where unity comes into it. those that share certain liberties form a majority agreement of values to protect and defend such freedoms of that territory/community. and they foster their own culture within that region/state.

i would not use the word liberty require duty.. nor that unity needs a mandate.
its more so liberty has a voluntary agreement which then strengthens due to like minded desire to defend those values
wild west outlaws: "honour amongst thieves"
modern liberty: "dont snitch on your neighbour" its not a duty/law. its more of an unspoken rule

take sanctuary cities where although people know ICE are around and they have a saying "see something say something" those that support liberty dont snitch
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its more so unity comes with a mandatory duty to be civil and stay within the law. they call it democracy/diplomacy/law/justice
civilian rights: "your perceived rights, cant overcome my legal rights"

[caroasi]

Combining the two (Unity and Liberty) successfully, is completely solved in the Body of CHRIST (The Church).
The Church is the unity of believers (Christains) to form a single Body where CHRIST is the HEAD. What follows is liberty: "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". — From Book Of Corinthians

No way humans can be free without the CREATOR to help them. In true liberty, humans can take decisions like adults and no one restricting them because the SPIRIT in them will help them do things right and avoid conflicts.
When there are needs, the HEAD handles them by using or controlling other parts of the body specially designed for the needs. No one cheats, lie, fight, hate etc. Things just work as they should. There is love or strong desire to do things right and help one another  
Those who wish to build a successful society must consider this otherwise freedom plus unity becomes impossible.




* By the way, if you're wondering why the "churches" in today's world are not like what is described above. It's because they are not really true churches or are not fully doing what is required of them. They are basically fully worldly or part church part worldly. It's difficult to find a true one

Christianity offers a voluntary unity, and provides freedom but with many responsibilities as duties. Of course the ways of participation are quite clear including giving one's own possessions to others in need in a definite combination with generosity as sacrificial care. And importantly, it outlines many virtues and values with love at the core, and there are aspects to that which are local as well, such as "love thy neighbor"... a focus locally that I think is an effective way to be able to share one's care for others.

So, the way you put it its certainly easy to understand why the Bible has been and continues to be a success including widespread attention compared to competing or opposing ways of life based on supernatural layers of existence. Jesus didn't speak much about politics but certainly didn't force anyone into his fold at the point of a sword, and in may ways alluded to pacifism more than other concepts, with his most forceful act described by the Bible being the overturning of some tables. And, while he did tell a follower to bring a sword, he didn't say to use it, and actually suggested it shouldn't have been used although it was, even reversing the damage it did.

So, Christianity as especially described in the book of Matthew does offer a profound unity and liberty, and furthermore offers a network of virtues and values centered on love, in an excellent philosophy of life. The unity of Christianity is by a path of peace rather than war. The liberty of Christianity is a path of generosity rather than greed.

[Dunamisx]

Societal participation is everyone's responsibility to ensure that we are being patriotic as regards the environment and community we lived in, this start form the relationships we build with each other and how we have been contributing to the community growth in our own capacity, all these are part of what foster for the peace, unity and liberty we may deserve from our stay and interaction in the society.

[Juicyhome]

Societal participation is everyone's responsibility to ensure that we are being patriotic as regards the environment and community we lived in, this start form the relationships we build with each other and how we have been contributing to the community growth in our own capacity, all these are part of what foster for the peace, unity and liberty we may deserve from our stay and interaction in the society.

you omitted fairness and inclusion of all tribes in society building, the only way to develop a society is when everyone tribe feels included in the discussion making, they will all bring their best to protect and defend the society. But once is one sided, crisis will be the order of the day..Every head of the society must ensure no tribe feels cheated in decision making, and in sharing of the society common wealth.  The society belong to everyone, and we must include all everyone. To build a better society.

The leadership must be fair to all, do not favor a particular tribe over the other, it will cause division among the people.  Be fair in sharing and in appointment, no tribe should have more position then the other, fairness Make things easy for all, the citizens will respect the leadership if they're fair to them..

[caroasi]

Societal participation is everyone's responsibility to ensure that we are being patriotic as regards the environment and community we lived in, this start form the relationships we build with each other and how we have been contributing to the community growth in our own capacity, all these are part of what foster for the peace, unity and liberty we may deserve from our stay and interaction in the society.

Thanks for your bold participation. Patriotism is not just loyalty to people, but loyalty to a people of certain virtues and values. The environment is something that everyone can participate in maintaining as a contribution to society. What can be done for the environment?

[Vheelyn]

Unity is a virtue, but as a container for other virtues. If one unifies around something good, then the unity is good, but unity around a bad is bad. Liberty is is a virtue in the same way. If one uses their liberty to greedy ends, then the result is bad, while if they use their liberty for generosity then the result is good. Furthermore, every virtue is also something that can require skill to do well. Other virtues such as love are good standing alone, and that is also a skill. Building a civil society that transcends evils of mankind is a complex task for the reason that all three of these virtues are needed together. A famous libertarian knows freedom well. A famous unitarian knows unity well. And a famous lover knows love well. And none of that is enough for a civil society, because all three must be adopted together, though the adoption is made less difficult by using one virtue to help arrive at another.
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I believe that unity and liberty are both important, one can’t do without the other in the sense that unity guarantees collective strength while liberty protects originality when both of them are conducted with love and generosity . If you notice, when people act for unity, they risk losing individuality and become controlled by the majors, when they also act basically on liberty, they also get social fragmentation so in my opinion , the goal is not to choose between them but put both of them together to get a positive result through civility. Both are essential. Unity gives directions, liberty gives depths so both are needed.