End of safe US airline travel

[Vod]

A total of 12 air traffic control facilities are bracing for staffing shortages tonight, according to a publicly available operations plan from the Federal Aviation Administration.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-06-25

Workers are calling in sick, but are actually working other gigs - like food delivery - simply to pay their bills.

Air traffic controllers have one of the most stressful jobs, so I can't blame them.   Imagine worrying if your children will eat tonight while you are trying to direct planes.     The security agents, while living a cheaper lifestyle and supported by social colleagues will last longer, but you cannot eat the promise of back pay.  

[retaur]

The herd was thinned by the department for government efficiency weren't they too? Wasn't that why the plane and helicopter crashed (as well as them having fairly close flight paths)?

I think the fewer ATCs available on shift the more risk there is for all of their health and for their ability to confidently direct planes to where they need to be.

I did think ATCs were on decent money though, I'd be surprised if they're making less than train signallers/drivers in Europe for example but I could see that being a possibility.

[franky1]

when running a business no one should run it paycheque-to-paycheque
they should ensure there was a pocket of funds set aside equivalent to 6 months of payroll. so that if there was a income/profit shortfall one month, or a other business income issue, the people would still get paid and have another 5 months peace of mind should things extend.

the "government shutdown" is only 5 days old and lots of agencies are saying they wont be able to run payroll next week.. no government agency should be so tight to have such a problem so quick, they should have a earmarked budget set aside for 6 months, should they have a shutdown or should need to pay out severance payments if they dismantle a department

even doing something as simple as if they know these periodic budget sign offs happen in october and april. then the payroll budget per 6 months should cover  May to November and November to May. so that any disputes in april and october dont cause instant issues the same month for its workers. giving a buffer where by treasury disputes can get sorted before money runs out for departments

[Vod]

the "government shutdown" is only 5 days old and lots of agencies are saying they wont be able to run payroll next week.. no government agency should be so tight to have such a problem so quick, they should have a earmarked budget set aside for 6 months, should they have a shutdown or should need to pay out severance payments if they dismantle a department

So on top of the deficit, every agency should hoard and pay interest on half a year of salary?   No one expected the president to destroy the country like this.

[franky1]

the "government shutdown" is only 5 days old and lots of agencies are saying they wont be able to run payroll next week.. no government agency should be so tight to have such a problem so quick, they should have a earmarked budget set aside for 6 months, should they have a shutdown or should need to pay out severance payments if they dismantle a department

So on top of the deficit, every agency should hoard and pay interest on half a year of salary?   No one expected the president to destroy the country like this.

its not so much the president. its the dems wanting to use the opportunity to block signing off by making demands of extra funding for dem projects

as for the whole economics. this should have been sorted years ago. like decades. like part of standard public service policy set in the 19th century, whereby they are always operating 1-6 months ahead. this is not about suddenly finding 6 months of new debt money now at the last minute. its about already having 6 months set aside for emergency, funds earmarked to keep departments running even when surprises occur

as for "deficits" discussion of government using debt to pay for public services. well the whole point of doge was to cut spending to not need to ask for new debt. this should happen at both fed and state level. whereby not only draining the swamp of deadwood. but also not paying for silly items like company cars for executive level civil servants and private jets for senators/house members..
funds should be prioritised for the front line service workers not the paper pushers

a government shutdown should be where the ''back-office' paper-pushers get a few days off unpaid, but the front line public services that actually service citizens should be well managed to continue as normal. whereby treasury budget should cover frontline services first, then higher level and then finally foreign policy when/if anything is left over
however rules are twisted whereby foreign policy donations come first because they became law to pay out like 5% of GDP to nato. which means domestic frontline services come last or have to rely on debt

..
even the whole rule of "5% GDP to fund nato" is stupid
GDP is ~$30trill so 5% is $1.5trill going to defense of other countries
but the US treasury budget for 2025 is only $4.69trill
meaning 30% of tax money goes to foreign projects leaving domestic service having to suffer

..

anyway the main point is that the deadlock/negotiations should not happen so close to when the money runs out at each departments set budget. the discussions/demands/bill drafts and sign offs should happen way before funds run out, to ensure front line services continue, unhindered by the politics of the same week.
EG even simple idea that if they know next round of funding ends in april.. then schedule the negotiations for february, not april

[Vod]

EG even simple idea that if they know next round of funding ends in april.. then schedule the negotiations for february, not april

So plan next years expenses without knowing your budget?   Do you understand the government is shut down because they ran up against their credit limit?   The agencies may have had all their negotiations done but they won't have the money up front.

[_Miracle]

EG even simple idea that if they know next round of funding ends in april.. then schedule the negotiations for february, not april

So plan next years expenses without knowing your budget?   Do you understand the government is shut down because they ran up against their credit limit?   The agencies may have had all their negotiations done but they won't have the money up front.

I really hope that this wakes up more of middle America.

They are also stalling to bring in Adelita Grijalva (she would have been the deciding vote to release the Epstein Files)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K460Hu7F6hA


2+2=5   ;-)


Let's not forget the zip tying of children ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4rkUhA4_AE (The Daily Show)

[franky1]

EG even simple idea that if they know next round of funding ends in april.. then schedule the negotiations for february, not april

So plan next years expenses without knowing your budget?   Do you understand the government is shut down because they ran up against their credit limit?   The agencies may have had all their negotiations done but they won't have the money up front.

if you dont understand it then think about your own household budget
if you already know the cost of your household bills and allowance for the kids.. you can have that earmarked way before payday. and then at payday see whats left to go towards paying towards any foreign hobbies you might like to be involved in. and work out if you really want to pay for foreign things with credit card or just go without a foreign holiday

if you however earmark the foreign holiday cost first. and then end up having to screw over your kids allowance or one of the household bills at the last minute, thats when your finances go wrong

current events are like setting aside foreign tour budget, then household bills, and now squabbling over if they can cover additions to the healthcare family plan or need to use the credit card last minute and saying none of the household bills will be paid until the health insurance is discussed

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if they simply stop setting aside foreign aid budget first.. and instead set budgets for domestic departmental services first.. earmark amounts and negotiate needs months in advance.. then at the last minute see whats left over for foreign aid crap

EG look after your own citizens first. and have it set in stone months ahead.. then they can play about negotiating last minute about how deep a deficit they want to get into with foreign aid crap. but know the main public services are pre-set before last minute negotiations of foreign policy crap, thus ensuring domestics services are always catered to and budgeted already. that way front line services are always covered

its simple math. if they know for instance air control towers needs a budget for 5000 employee's and they know the pay rating level(pay grades) then they can actually plan expenditure way before time
and by prioritising domestic public services first. means the public services comes within the treasury revenue norm expectations.. where as foreign affairs crap comes later and is the thing they mess around with last minute to try fitting in the budget or having to over extend into debt.

[EluguHcman]

Workers are calling in sick, but are actually working other gigs - like food delivery - simply to pay their bills.

Air traffic controllers have one of the most stressful jobs, so I can't blame them.   Imagine worrying if your children will eat tonight while you are trying to direct planes.     The security agents, while living a cheaper lifestyle and supported by social colleagues will last longer, but you cannot eat the promise of back pay.  

What is outrageous there is that... Inflation would always demands salary earners to maximize their payrolls if they must maintain a standard or make increments to their livelihoods.

So it has become difficult for one source of income to immensely survive the inflation.
One mistake some job seekers or employees does is the pay of deaf ears towards considering the nature of the job and then just get concentrated about the payment while they begin to complain about the job in the mid term.

 So they literally fails to consider the job schedules or working hours If it could give them time to attend to other necessary things noting that what they earn from the salary may not be enough in the long term while there are still other domestic responsibilities to be attended. It is real whole too much to bear if the job has to consume much of your time to navigate.

[Vod]

if you dont understand it then think about your own household budget
if you already know the cost of your household bills and allowance for the kids.. you can have that earmarked way before payday. and then at payday see whats left to go towards paying towards any foreign hobbies you might like to be involved in. and work out if you really want to pay for foreign things with credit card or just go without a foreign holiday

OK, what happens if I lose my job, like the US just lost it's income?   Earmarking and planning cannot help when expected money is taken away.

[AVE5]

if you dont understand it then think about your own household budget
if you already know the cost of your household bills and allowance for the kids.. you can have that earmarked way before payday. and then at payday see whats left to go towards paying towards any foreign hobbies you might like to be involved in. and work out if you really want to pay for foreign things with credit card or just go without a foreign holiday

OK, what happens if I lose my job, like the US just lost it's income?   Earmarking and planning cannot help when expected money is taken away.

At some valid points, losing your job is a different thing here while franky1 is directing to spend responsibly by attending to primary needs first before any other expenses is put to budget. Let me invite discretionary incomes to play there it's repaired that essential needs should be attended to whenever the pays comes in then before pleasures or making investment budgets.
If your earning isn't enough to afford your needs, you'll have no choice than to cut your expenses maybe if you can still make some small regular savings that'd be a good way to also achieve your goals even though it'd take some long time.
Loosing jobs is almost a custom because you'll get retired or sacked somedays. So you must diversify in one way or the other if you know the potential risk of relying on salaries or one source.

[retaur]

the "government shutdown" is only 5 days old and lots of agencies are saying they wont be able to run payroll next week.. no government agency should be so tight to have such a problem so quick, they should have a earmarked budget set aside for 6 months, should they have a shutdown or should need to pay out severance payments if they dismantle a department

So on top of the deficit, every agency should hoard and pay interest on half a year of salary?   No one expected the president to destroy the country like this.

I wouldn't say no one, he has done it before...

Also, maybe your government shouldn't have a single point of failure like this. If you had the federal reserve involved in trying to pay wages (within a fixed budget) and the government focusing just on policy surely this would be less likely to reoccur.

[franky1]

if you dont understand it then think about your own household budget
if you already know the cost of your household bills and allowance for the kids.. you can have that earmarked way before payday. and then at payday see whats left to go towards paying towards any foreign hobbies you might like to be involved in. and work out if you really want to pay for foreign things with credit card or just go without a foreign holiday

OK, what happens if I lose my job, like the US just lost it's income? Earmarking and planning cannot help when expected money is taken away.

the US didnt just lose its income
people still paid taxes for the last 6 months. dont be foolish to think that there is no bank account that has 6 months of treasury income in it.. what your not realising is the SPENDING plan of that (treasury) income is being disputed. its just yet to be spent to go towards things

do you honestly think that april-october no one paid tax into treasury. do you honestly think that this week during "shutdown" no one is paying tax into treasury

again
if you know the normal domestic expenses which you can plan for months ahead. earmark that domestic bills first and as a set-done-deal.. and then have the luxury foreign expense as the last contending matter to discuss about whether its paid using tax or credit

EG they know since 2010+ the min treasury balance is $3t/y. from 2015 min treasury balance is $4t/y so they can ear mark a large % of domestic department costs months ago. whereby those things should be funded to keep things running. and then have the discretionary stuff done last minute

[Hispo]

A total of 12 air traffic control facilities are bracing for staffing shortages tonight, according to a publicly available operations plan from the Federal Aviation Administration.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-06-25

Workers are calling in sick, but are actually working other gigs - like food delivery - simply to pay their bills.

Air traffic controllers have one of the most stressful jobs, so I can't blame them.   Imagine worrying if your children will eat tonight while you are trying to direct planes.     The security agents, while living a cheaper lifestyle and supported by social colleagues will last longer, but you cannot eat the promise of back pay.  

To be frank, there would be some law in the United States which demanded all elected officials in the house of representatives and the senate to be fired from their office and get a call on elections, all of this the federal government get shut down. It continues to be a disgrace the way there is a partisan interest on closing down the government and keep millions of people hostage for the sake of political leverage.
I think the United States is the only country in the world in which elected officials are capable of inflicting long lasting damage against federal workers and also their own economy and continue to hold their seat in public administration. In other republics all those lawmakers would be disgraced and forced to find a completely different job.

[Vod]

do you honestly think that april-october no one paid tax into treasury. do you honestly think that this week during "shutdown" no one is paying tax into treasury

Any money coming in right now is going towards outstanding interest.   It's like having a bank account in unauthorized overdraft - you are still making money but you can't spend it.

[franky1]

do you honestly think that april-october no one paid tax into treasury. do you honestly think that this week during "shutdown" no one is paying tax into treasury

Any money coming in right now is going towards outstanding interest.   It's like having a bank account in unauthorized overdraft - you are still making money but you can't spend it.

the debt repayments are only $1.124b a day, =$410b a year
the treasury is ~$4T a year so debt is only 10% bill. which can be quanitified and earmarked months ahead, its not something that needs to be left until oct 1st to then dispute over.. its simply a matter of earmarking money weeks-months before october. ensuring the domestic frontline services get paid to continue operating.. so that air traffic control and police and other services at both fed and state level get their funding on time/before time, thus always covered. and then dispute the irregularities/non domestic stuff at the last minute

i personally hate monthly bills. my electric, water and housing is all paid upfront at start of year so i never have to see monthly demands
then whats left of my budget i then allocate as prefered(foreign visits), but in full satisfaction that i dont have to worry about the essentials coming into protest/dispute/demands/blackmail/threats at the last minute

no country should ever get themselves into a situation that at the last minute domestic public services are wondering where/if there their next paycheque will arrive, especially if the government are showing wasteful spending in other area's

at this moment the Dems are using the "public purse" as a weapon to seek demands at the last minute, things need to change so that these periodic budget reviews are not weaponised by the unelected/minority side of politics

so again
why not have these 'obamacare' budget discussions and air trafic control budget plans done in like june-august, and leave september-october for the foreign aid talks
that way by august the main domestic needs are settled. and then the stuff that doesnt affect citizens directly are the final matters of discussion to argue over funding with remaining budget or putting into additional debt

[Vod]

its simply a matter of earmarking money weeks-months before october.

The money was earmarked.  It was taken away.   This is not that hard, franky...

[franky1]

its simply a matter of earmarking money weeks-months before october.

The money was earmarked.  It was taken away.   This is not that hard, franky...

it wasnt taken away, it just wasnt released because dems refused to sign off on it last minute
so yet again.
have it earmarked and signed off somewhere in may-august to be fully accessible by end of september, no delay
have it earmarked and signed off somewhere in nov-february to be fully accessible by end of march, no delay

. actually earmarked ready to spend, thus securing jobs, guaranteeing services throughout..
and then the only dispute to negotiate in sept-oct is non domestic crap

so that its the foreign crap that tilts the balance into surplus or deficit.. not the domestic stuff
..
at present the foreign spending budget/plan for april-oct is set in january. yet domestic stuff for april-oct is set in april and oct
that arrangement/schedule needs to flip
budget priorities need to flip. protecting the domestic services first
..
a new system whereby the air traffic control HR/payroll team need to see the FAA department budget money for october-march, in an account before october so they can plan ahead,
obviously you dont see the problem. but this topic reveals the problem
dems are holding FAA budget to ransom. however the FAA budget should be something locked in and earmarked months ago.
where by dems only have power over the 'leftovers' of budget surplus to get their whims met, or push for a better argument why the country needs to go into deficit by suggesting to cut back on foreign aid if a new project of the dems wants to get paid.

just imagine if you cut all foreign aid spending. there would be more then enough to cover all domestic  services and dems can also ask about the obamacare enhancements and still have surplus. and then the last dispute being the foreign aid to use up last surplus or put into deficit. where the Reps can then say that dems dont get obamacare enhancement because Reps prefer foreign aid. and thats the last dispute. dems whims vs reps whims of things that wont affect domestic public services at all

however reality of today(which needs to change) is where the Dems are holding up ALL budgets. just for the whims of the minority. this needs to change

[Vod]

its simply a matter of earmarking money weeks-months before october.

The money was earmarked.  It was taken away.   This is not that hard, franky...

it wasnt taken away, it just wasnt released because dems refused to sign off on it last minute

Same thing.   It was budgeted but is no longer available.    Can't be more clear, sorry. 

[franky1]

its simply a matter of earmarking money weeks-months before october.

The money was earmarked.  It was taken away.   This is not that hard, franky...

it wasnt taken away, it just wasnt released because dems refused to sign off on it last minute

Same thing.   It was budgeted but is no longer available.    Can't be more clear, sorry.  

the money is there though. $4trillion to cover domestic public services is there in the treasury, waiting. its not no longer available. its just held up by the dems using it as a weapon to get their whims met

again THINGS NEED TO CHANGE

where domestic services are never in dispute
but set, budgeted and set aside long before october 1st. thus dont become part of the sept-oct debate

the only flimsy budgets that should be 'no longer available'/in dispute/held back/not signed off in sept/oct. should be the non domestic stuff like foreign aid, foreign defense, foreign diplomacy.. which the dems can then use to try to fund their own new projects, blackmail the Reps over or end up being deficit debates

heck even the bank interest re-negotiating rates from 5.5% to 4.5% (on $37trill is a 1% difference of $370b needing to be spent or not)
should be talks about if dems get their whims met or not.. all without using domestic public services as weapons. holding up public services should be a big no no

because at the moment its the foreign stuff thats locked in months in advance.. causing domestic stuff to be last minute flimsy for dems to use as blackmail

the foreign funds should not be locked in at january to cover a year. causing the april-oct domestic budget talks working around them and put into dispute. it should be flipped.
the domestic stuff locked in, in advance..  and leaving the foreign funds in dispute last minute/used as bargaining tools for the minority Dems to fight for their whims against