Is the deep state supporting terrorism against bitcoiners?

[btc-freedom-money]

I don't know where to begin exactly so I am just going to type this out as the thoughts come to my mind.

We see a lot in the news about bitcoiners being abducted, tortured and robbed of their bitcoin in usa and eu.
We never see in the news about any of the attacks against the deep state. This is because the government has power to stop news that could inspire revolution or attacks against the state. But they don't want to stop news which inspire attacks against bitcoiners because the deep state is anti-crypto.

Why am I calling it terrorism against bitcoiners? Because it doesn't make sense that its robberies. Abducting a person and then torturing them is not a simple thing to do and they most likely need a team. This is organized crime, gangs, and terrorist organisations we're talking about.

And all they need to know is if someone is a bitcoiner? They don't even bother check if they are living a luxurious wealthy life style. They don't know what the bitcoin addresses are. All they know is they are a bitcoiner.

Most bitcoiners are poor. Bitcoin is a great investment but you need money to be able to invest and most people don't have that. And the few that have money, only have a little so they end up gambling on meme coins and losing it all. Then they lie about being successful because no one wants to be known as the degenerate who lost it all on a meme coin. Bitcoin is also more than just investment. It's about use case, it's freedom money. And you can be a bitcoiner without owning bitcoin because you are looking forward to the future where it's more adopted.

So what is the plan of the criminals who abduct a bitcoiner without knowing how much they have? All the hardware wallets have the option to enter wrong pin or passphrase to open a "fake" wallet that has only a little bit of bitcoin in it. What will the criminals do then? Will they keep torturing without knowing if there is a bigger "real" wallet? What if the bitcoiner says they don't have any crypto at all on the hardware wallet because they lost it all on a meme coin or something?

Very very few bitcoiners actually have a big amount of bitcoin to steal. I hope you understand how incredibly stupid plan these criminals have who abduct people just because they are a bitcoiner. That's not even a plan. And it makes no sense to understand, that's why it's most likely terrorism sponsored by the deep state.

[EarnOnVictor]

Deep state can't support terrorism, but It's very corrupt and it's actions and inactions often help perpetrators. No state actors can be exonerate in this, it's the normality of the modern states.

Now, in relation to Bitcoin. Bitcoin was well-built for a lot of purposes, but it's not perfect, and so long as it's human being using it, there will be some flaws, traceability and control, which is what the robbers/kidnappers and deep state are leveraging on. Had it been that Bitcoin could 100% enforce only "Bitcoin to Bitcoin" transaction, that freedom supposedly brought would be better actualise. But most people deal with it with Fiats and centralised systems at the end-use, which makes it easier for deep state to exert traceability and indirect control.

[rodskee]

And all they need to know is if someone is a bitcoiner? They don't even bother check if they are living a luxurious wealthy life style. They don't know what the bitcoin addresses are. All they know is they are a bitcoiner.

most likely they might just be trying to get intel out of these bitcoiners. if it is not money they want they want some information either way but what kind of information an average bitcoiner will have that they can't access on the internet? so it might really just be people who are wishing to steal from them either that is that the deep state or no, it is hard to know for sure since even the mere existence of a deep state is unsure

[pooya87]

Is the deep state supporting terrorism against bitcoiners?

We see a lot in the news about bitcoiners being abducted, tortured and robbed of their bitcoin in usa and eu.

There is not a strong logic in your speculation because there is no benefit in it for the deep state or the corrupt regimes to do this. In fact what you say about them hating crypto is not accurate considering how they'll want that "freedom money" as well to hide. Not to mention that they use it to fund terrorism (eg. US regime paying its proxies like al-Qaeda using Tether and Bitcoin).

The increased crime rate is just the result of growing economic hardship. As the economy gets worse, the crime rate goes up and it gets move violent as well. Specially in crazy places like USA where the crime rates and gun violence is already EXTREMELY high.

[Cryptohygenic]

Do you know that your information could be potentially disasterous that could make newbies or enthusiasts panic of their safety all for investing or adopting bitcoin? Moreover owning bitcoin is not a crime especially in its friendly societies to start with before you assume users will be placed on the watchlist by the deep state.

So what is the plan of the criminals who abduct a bitcoiner without knowing how much they have?

The insight that attracts criminals towards bitcoineers is the rate which bitcoin price has performed and like we say bitcoin is a digital gold which makes it potential values to hedge against inflation therefore, users seems to become targets for online scammers and land base criminals believing anyone investing on bitcoin is rich. So they don't care to know how much you got in the wallet before launching attacks. However, their aim and objective is to steal your funds just like how non bitcoineers who deals on fiats and stocks are also being victims to such crimes.

[Alphakilo]

This notion that involves a  deep state supporting terrorism specifically against bitcoiners is rather a speculation that has no truth backed by evidence.
What government has led us to believe is that, they are creating strict regulations and agencies to help them fight against money laundering and terrorism sponsorship using Bitcoin and other crypto currencies, hence why there are cases of clamp down on suspects of terrorism who use Bitcoin or digital currencies to sponsor their devilish actions.

I doubt the government of U.S or other notably major countries who already have regulations in place and allow crypto currency transactions, would be the ones to kidnap their own citizens and probe them endlessly just because they have or use crypto currency, without any substantial link to terrorist groups and organizations.

[Bluedrem]

Do you have any strong information that Bitcoiners are kidnapped anywhere other than the Bitcoiners of the deep state? I think the idea you have about this is not true. The deep state does not support terrorism, since there the government elected by the people secretly pursues its own interests and an invisible administrative structure is formed among themselves, so the people here are a little more prone to crime. My idea may not be completely correct. The deep state is not only crypto-hating, but sometimes they are also very attracted to cryptocurrency. Sometimes it is seen that they secretly collect Bitcoin despite the government's prohibition. Criminals consider Bitcoin traders to be very wealthy, so they want to extort money from them by kidnapping them. In most cases, Bitcoiners are kidnapped for this reason alone.

[Taskford]

Is the deep state supporting terrorism against bitcoiners?

We see a lot in the news about bitcoiners being abducted, tortured and robbed of their bitcoin in usa and eu.

There is not a strong logic in your speculation because there is no benefit in it for the deep state or the corrupt regimes to do this. In fact what you say about them hating crypto is not accurate considering how they'll want that "freedom money" as well to hide. Not to mention that they use it to fund terrorism (eg. US regime paying its proxies like al-Qaeda using Tether and Bitcoin).

The increased crime rate is just the result of growing economic hardship. As the economy gets worse, the crime rate goes up and it gets move violent as well. Specially in crazy places like USA where the crime rates and gun violence is already EXTREMELY high.

Right and there's no supporting article nor claims from some people especially to big institutions that they are been attacked.

OP just imagining crazy things that's why he maybe think that this is happening.

I also think the growing crime rate is the effect of lots of money are involve on the discussion on Bitcoin and crypto scene. That's why there are several desperate people will do crime then think about that they can earn fast cash if they can steal something from people or some institutions.

Also if US will just regulate those weapons there's good chance that crime rate would lower down in their country.

[Josefjix]

In my country this is quite different but operate in similar way where bitcoiners are arrested by a governmental body called the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission - EFCC. This body quietly knew that victims are not into fraud and that his earnings are from trading or crypto investment, so they gang up together, strategize, plan and break into your apartment at midnight to arrest you into their cell room for proper interrogation how your funds are earned in crypto.

You will be detained under their custody till you pay your bitcoin to get released if you cant clearly explain your source of earnings, if you have every evidence you are not a fraudster, then you will be sued to court to explain yourself which will eventually take longer time which they clearly know you cant file for that but to pay them for your freedom.

These group of organization are indirectly stealing bitcoin from bitcoiners, it sucks here.

 

[buwaytress]

I don't know about two things here. First that they're targeting Bitcoiners when it seems they're targeting wealthy people who have Bitcoin. I mean, who here on this forum has been abducted? Aren't we supposed to be Bitcoiners?

Second, I don't know if there's been "a lot" of such cases. Can't remember the last time I heard of one.

[Pablo-wood]

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This looks like pure conspiracy theory mixed with fiction. You’re claiming that deep state actors are sponsoring terrorism against bitcoiners, yet you provide no credible evidence to support that. There are no court records, no police investigations, and no reliable news reports showing any coordinated campaign against people simply for being bitcoin users.

The explanation to this scenario is that individuals are careless and reveal too much about their crypto holdings online or in person which makes them targets for  criminals. We can't call that  government conspiracy,  it’s just the unfortunate reality of dealing with valuable assets. Practicing proper security and keeping a low profile is usually the best defense.

[Despairo]

Almost all Bitcoiners are safe, just like most people in this world who have a place to sleep and have money to buy foods.

What you see on medias where Bitcoiners get kidnapped, tortured etc is because they don't care with their privacy, they're a crypto influencer which show himself a Bitcoiner to everyone in social medias.

I don't know about two things here. First that they're targeting Bitcoiners when it seems they're targeting wealthy people who have Bitcoin. I mean, who here on this forum has been abducted? Aren't we supposed to be Bitcoiners?

Second, I don't know if there's been "a lot" of such cases. Can't remember the last time I heard of one.

Right, if this thing happen many times, I'm sure there would be few users create this kind thread to share their experience. But, I haven't heard that, most of them are either their own mistake, their own ignorance, or related to old school scams.

[btc-freedom-money]

Lets stay on topic, don't try to derail about if deep state exists or not. It is proven to exist but that's a huge other topic. My advice if you really don't know is to go watch tucker carlson's videos on youtube as a starting point.

If you don't read the news and don't see the stories about bitcoiners being abducted then I don't know why you come here to this topic to fight. My advice is to get started by watching coin bureau's video about it he made one this year. There is of course lots more if you search. Some topics in this bitcoin forum too you can find if you search, i remember posting in one just 1 or 2 months ago.

Btw one of tuckers videos is about cia infiltrating all of internet and taken total control. That's why it's hard to speak the truth because cia assets attack you immediately and ban and censor lots of people.

[passwordnow]

So what is the plan of the criminals who abduct a bitcoiner without knowing how much they have? All the hardware wallets have the option to enter wrong pin or passphrase to open a "fake" wallet that has only a little bit of bitcoin in it. What will the criminals do then? Will they keep torturing without knowing if there is a bigger "real" wallet? What if the bitcoiner says they don't have any crypto at all on the hardware wallet because they lost it all on a meme coin or something?

Very very few bitcoiners actually have a big amount of bitcoin to steal. I hope you understand how incredibly stupid plan these criminals have who abduct people just because they are a bitcoiner. That's not even a plan. And it makes no sense to understand, that's why it's most likely terrorism sponsored by the deep state.

With or without a plan, that's why they kidnap those who are known to them as bitcoin holders. They think of them as someone who's wealthy. But those who have been a victim of these abductions and attacks, they were showy to their social media profiles on how much they own and what they have as crypto investments. Privacy is still what matters since it's the reason why we have bitcoin and also the other coins that values privacy. While the criminals might not know if the victim is telling the truth, that's what they are prepared for, to waste someone's life if they didn't tell the truth about their holdings and the seeds.

[₿itcoin]

And all they need to know is if someone is a bitcoiner? They don't even bother check if they are living a luxurious wealthy life style. They don't know what the bitcoin addresses are. All they know is they are a bitcoiner.

So what is the plan of the criminals who abduct a bitcoiner without knowing how much they have? All the hardware wallets have the option to enter wrong pin or passphrase to open a "fake" wallet that has only a little bit of bitcoin in it. What will the criminals do then? Will they keep torturing without knowing if there is a bigger "real" wallet? What if the bitcoiner says they don't have any crypto at all on the hardware wallet because they lost it all on a meme coin or something?

Yes, targeted attacks on Bitcoiners are on the rise, and much of it is in line with organized crime, doxing, and exaggerated boasting on social media. A couple of years ago, some Bitcoin users in Sweden were robbed &  physically assaulted in their homes, &  their hardware wallets were demanded.

But what you said, 'deep state terrorism' might be a bit of an exaggeration, because there is no evidence of outright state activity, but rather the risks are increasing due to personal data leaks, criminal groups, flexing or boasting on social media, etc.

Whether you are rich or poor, if you are a Bitcoiner, you have to act like a ghost, there is no flexibility in this, no matter what people say, your stack cannot be revealed at any cost. Stay sharp &  stay sovereign, dude.

[cr1776]

Deep state can't support terrorism, but It's very corrupt and it's actions and inactions often help perpetrators. No state actors can be exonerate in this, it's the normality of the modern states.
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I think it depends on your definition of terrorism.  There are bad people all over and the size of most governments in the world give them extreme powers instead of limited powers with few checks and balances.  So as far as the question in the OP's Subject: "It wouldn't surprise me one bit." 

(I'll say that there are lots of good people all over the world and in governments, but they are used and overrun in many cases by the bad ones.  Look at the anti-liberty policies that the democratic party in the US has pursued for their entire existence: from slavery, to Jim Crow, to separate but equal, to their one-drop rule etc).

[Z-tight]

So what is the plan of the criminals who abduct a bitcoiner without knowing how much they have?

I don't think these criminals blindly pull off a $5 wrench attack. Most of the attacks i have read about have been on people who are supposed to have a lot of coins, i mean high-net-worth individuals. And i would mention a few of them:

1)David Balland, the co-founder of Ledger wallet was kidnapped along with his wife earlier this year in France
2)Kidnappers tried to abduct the daughter of Pierre Noizat. The co-founder of crypto exchange, Paymium.
3)In May this year, kidnappers abducted a Russian couple who manage a crypto business, and were only released after a ransom of $43k was paid.
4)Last year, Dean Skurka was kidnapped, he is the CEO of WonderFi, and he had to pay a ransom of $1m for his release.

The list is longer than this and most of the victims of crypto abduction are high-net-worth individuals. The criminals do their homework before they attack. So i don't think it has anything to do with terrorism against bitcoiners. It is simply rich people getting kidnapped.

[taufik123]

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Whether you are rich or poor, if you are a Bitcoiner, you have to act like a ghost, there is no flexibility in this, no matter what people say, your stack cannot be revealed at any cost. Stay sharp &  stay sovereign, dude.

People who think like ghosts by having a lot of Bitcoin in their wallets will never share anything about their Bitcoin,
completely closed off to social media and anything related to crypto, so that they are not indicated as the most expensive digital asset owner today.

But those who continue to flex are just a bunch of people who want to get more followers, and don't have the assets they share.
But some real rich people do reveal their crypto holdings, but they are quite vigilant and won't engage with anyone in public because it would be dangerous.

Cases like robberies on Bitcoiners or those who have a lot of crypto assets have also happened in my country in Indonesia and it happened in Bali,
more foreigners from different countries and they ended up being the target of robberies because of the flexing done on their social media.

https://www.tempo.co/hukum/kronologi-perampokan-aset-kripto-rp-3-4-miliar-oleh-wna-rusia-di-bali-1200854

[btc-freedom-money]

Whether you are rich or poor, if you are a Bitcoiner, you have to act like a ghost, there is no flexibility in this, no matter what people say, your stack cannot be revealed at any cost. Stay sharp &  stay sovereign, dude.

It's not enough to be a ghost about your bitcoin because it's actually not possible. The deep state has a pretty good idea about everyone stacks even those who think they are ghosts. It has been proven to a point it's undeniable, even the usa judges will confirm that FBI was a political weapon of the democrats. CIA still is and has been able to avoid the same fate as FBI. And everyone knows CIA is shady and responsible for a lot of criminal and terrorist events both domestic and international.

And if you listen to what right wing politicians are saying, not only those from usa, also those in eu, is that they are blackmailed by deep state to stay out of politics and they receive threats too. And it's not only politicians, it's anyone at all who pisses in the deep state's cereals. I was actually surprised that even Louis Rossman is getting serious death threats, i mean really really serious ones, but then after a minute of thinking about it it's not strange because he's a big problem for the deep state and it just makes it so clear that deep state is controlling the terrorists and gangs because it makes no sense otherwise.

They can corruptly fabricate evidence or with strong bias miss-interpret innocent statements as something they're not and taken out of context. They do these things so they can corruptly gain warrants or to blackmail. And the deep state shares info like bitcoin stacks with the gangs and terrorist organisations.

It's also proven that police don't need warrants because they can just ask or pay big tech for the info that police would otherwise need warrants for. If police is doing that, then what do you think the much more powerful and corrupt cia and deep state is doing? They used to ask one of their terrorist assets in the middle east to do a wrong number call just because then they will be able to start write tapping. They don't need to do that anymore but this is the kind of stuff they do all the time.

So what you have to do is give up your human rights, never talk politics in usa or europe, and always be politically correct according to lefts agenda. Then you can probably be safe as a ghost. But a real man would not surrender so cowardly and give up their human rights and their children's rights.

[EarnOnVictor]

Deep state can't support terrorism, but It's very corrupt and it's actions and inactions often help perpetrators. No state actors can be exonerate in this, it's the normality of the modern states.
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I think it depends on your definition of terrorism.  There are bad people all over and the size of most governments in the world give them extreme powers instead of limited powers with few checks and balances.  So as far as the question in the OP's Subject: "It wouldn't surprise me one bit." 
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The use of terrorism in my post is clear enough judging by what the OP itself inferred, unless you want to see it as a figure of speech, which it wasn't portrayed in the post, for it was direct.

That aside. I know many people do not like the government. It's as if there shouldn't be any government at all. But I wonder how the world would look like in that situation. This is not to exonerate the government, but at times, they make a difficult decision, and they are not perfect. Many of these decisions are their best choices with pure conscience. So it doesn't have to sit well with everyone. But for government to openly support acts of terrorism, I strongly doubt that.