Trading and long-term investing

[Lidger]

In the new situation, we almost equate trading and investing. Trading and long-term investing are two completely different things, let us discuss these issues in detail below.

Buying a coin is not considered an investment, if a person buys a particular coin and sells it for some profit then it is considered trading. Investing is when you buy a reliable coin and try to hold it for a long time.

The difference between trading and long-term investing,
Since investment is planned for a long term, small changes in the market do not affect an investor, as a result of which the investor does not care much about this small fluctuation in the market. In this case, trading is different, the main purpose of trading is to earn a small amount of profit, to earn this small amount of profit, a trader always has to keep an eye on the changes in the market and when the trader thinks that the market has come down relatively now and he should buy a coin, he buys a coin and when the profit is as expected, he sells it. It is wrong to think that a trader will profit by trading, many times it is seen that a trader is facing a lot of money loss for a small amount of profit. Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

[albon]

This is absolutely true. Trading requires studying and understanding market movements and constant monitoring of news for fundamental analysis along with technical analysis on charts. This process requires experience from the trader. If the trader adheres to a stop-loss strategy, their losses will not be significant..

The psychological factors are also very important for both investors and traders.. In cases of panic and fear of missing opportunities,  or when negative news spreads about a certain coin, they may make incorrect decisions that may affect the trader's positions and also the long-term investor’s holdings, who may end up selling.

As for me, I prefer long-term investing,, which also requires sufficient capital, knowledge to buy and sell, and a well-structured investment plan..

Both fields require experience, but trading is the more risky of the two.

[Alone055]

It is wrong to think that a trader will profit by trading, many times it is seen that a trader is facing a lot of money loss for a small amount of profit. Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

It actually depends, and you should have mentioned this as well in your post. If a trader is trading in the futures market, which is riskier and could cause excessive losses if someone doesn't know what they are doing, then they are going to incur losses if the market goes against them. However, if someone is trading in the spot market, dips don't particularly make them lose money unless they decide to sell at a loss. The only thing that a dip causes for a short-term trader in the spot market is that it delays their trading, and holds their capital, or at least a portion of it, until the market recovers again and then manages to sell at a profit.

This is the reason why it's not good for a short-term trader to use their whole capital or a big portion of it in a single trade, because if the trade goes against them, then they will have their capital stuck until the market recovers, and sometimes, in case they have invested in an altcoin, a risky one, such as meme coins, there might even be chances for the token to not recover at all. In such cases, they might lose money, and it's their own fault for not choosing a reliable cryptocurrency.

[MarangoZ]

In the new situation, we almost equate trading and investing. Trading and long-term investing are two completely different things, let us discuss these issues in detail below.

Buying a coin is not considered an investment, if a person buys a particular coin and sells it for some profit then it is considered trading. Investing is when you buy a reliable coin and try to hold it for a long time.

I think that trading is a short time profit and soon will lead to depresion when you start to lose sometimes I consider it as gambling
I always stick to investing on coins constantly every time I have the chance to

I also made a thread about the method that I use to stack Bitcoins  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5559800.msg65832383#msg65832383

[tech30338]

In the new situation, we almost equate trading and investing. Trading and long-term investing are two completely different things, let us discuss these issues in detail below.

Buying a coin is not considered an investment, if a person buys a particular coin and sells it for some profit then it is considered trading. Investing is when you buy a reliable coin and try to hold it for a long time.

I think that trading is a short time profit and soon will lead to depresion when you start to lose sometimes I consider it as gambling
I always stick to investing on coins constantly every time I have the chance to

I also made a thread about the method that I use to stack Bitcoins  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5559800.msg65832383#msg65832383

Should we consider both trading and investing be in category  of gambling, since you are not sure if there is a return once reach a certain date and time? i mean not all investment results to profit, same as trading,
trading and investing sometimes also results to depression once goal is not meet, they are the same in some ways, like if in some times resulted to a coin having profited for a short period of time.

[Ronsbit]

I agree with your opinion here, I realised that the two words are kind of mixed up or possibly they are not really being understood by many.  Trading and long term investment are two different things, investment takes years as planned by the investor to hold but trading is just a day to day or hourly buying and selling of tokens, coin, stock, commodities etc.  In these types of trading one can be able to make profit depending on the market conditions for which they started trading. Sometimes they get stocked up with no profit but if it is an investment, the investor has nothing to worry about because there would definitely be a bounce back in the market conditions  which would give them good profit.
Let me use Bitcoin as an example. People who invested in Bitcoin by buying a certain number or fraction of Bitcoin year's back as a long term investment are currently on profit now because they invested but traders who were doing the daily trading would only just get the daily profit in price action but not as big as the long term investors. That is how it works so traders and investors are definitely not on the same page when it comes to profit making.

[Lidger]

It is wrong to think that a trader will profit by trading, many times it is seen that a trader is facing a lot of money loss for a small amount of profit. Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

It actually depends, and you should have mentioned this as well in your post. If a trader is trading in the futures market, which is riskier and could cause excessive losses if someone doesn't know what they are doing, then they are going to incur losses if the market goes against them. However, if someone is trading in the spot market, dips don't particularly make them lose money unless they decide to sell at a loss. The only thing that a dip causes for a short-term trader in the spot market is that it delays their trading, and holds their capital, or at least a portion of it, until the market recovers again and then manages to sell at a profit.

This is the reason why it's not good for a short-term trader to use their whole capital or a big portion of it in a single trade, because if the trade goes against them, then they will have their capital stuck until the market recovers, and sometimes, in case they have invested in an altcoin, a risky one, such as meme coins, there might even be chances for the token to not recover at all. In such cases, they might lose money, and it's their own fault for not choosing a reliable cryptocurrency.

Futures trading is more risky so I have tried to make a comparative difference between spot trading and investing. I think the initial step of trading is spot trading, some traders may not start futures trading before starting spot trading, so if all these traders know the good and bad sides of trading in advance and if they can consider trading as risky then they will understand the subject of futures trading and they will refrain from this risky work.

[khiholangkang]

This is absolutely true. Trading requires studying and understanding market movements and constant monitoring of news for fundamental analysis along with technical analysis on charts. This process requires experience from the trader. If the trader adheres to a stop-loss strategy, their losses will not be significant..

The psychological factors are also very important for both investors and traders.. In cases of panic and fear of missing opportunities,  or when negative news spreads about a certain coin, they may make incorrect decisions that may affect the trader's positions and also the long-term investor’s holdings, who may end up selling.

As for me, I prefer long-term investing,, which also requires sufficient capital, knowledge to buy and sell, and a well-structured investment plan..

Both fields require experience, but trading is the more risky of the two.

Trading is indeed riskier and mentally draining than being an investor. Trading requires continuous monitoring of market movements over a much shorter timeframe than investing. Roughly speaking, investors only need to understand fundamentals and technical analysis in a matter of weeks, months, or years, while traders may need to look at a much closer point, even 15 minutes. Profiting from trading is more difficult than imagined, and many people fail in this field.

The basic knowledge is the same for both traders and investors, but the practicalities are slightly different between the two. And yes, we need a very long time to learn. Never think you can quickly make big profits if you are still learning or trying to get lucky.

[PostQuantumBTC]

As for me, I prefer long-term investing,, which also requires sufficient capital, knowledge to buy and sell, and a well-structured investment plan..

Both fields require experience, but trading is the more risky of the two.

It is a matter of what you are investing on, many shit coins are in their low prices but bitcoin is different. It is good to avoid trading because it is more than risky. I have lost money there so much in a way I do not want to trade again. Invest in bitcoin, gold and silver is better.

[Pterosaur]

Trading takes time and learning, while you are into trading i mean trying to learn it, you should consider investing for long term, this will reassure you that you spent your time very well, it took me 2 years to get some basic trading knowledge especially reading the chart.

Start investing and keep learning trading, it is a win win situation.

[Sim_card]

When you're talking about long-term investment which is to buy and hodli, it's not any reliable coin that's worth holding for long term because I only know bitcoin as the only reliable coin that can increase in value overtime which is the only way to benefit from bitcoin. You can trade shitcoins because they are for short term profit and gambling, don't make the mistake to trade your bitcoin because the price will be more valuable than what you sold it in future.

[AYOBA]

Futures trading is more risky so I have tried to make a comparative difference between spot trading and investing. I think the initial step of trading is spot trading, some traders may not start futures trading before starting spot trading, so if all these traders know the good and bad sides of trading in advance and if they can consider trading as risky then they will understand the subject of futures trading and they will refrain from this risky work.

The risk that is involved in the future trading is very high, and that’s why I will never advise anyone to introduce themselves to the future trading, but some people think that the future trading is more profitable. And one thing about the future trading is that the higher the profits, the higher the risks, and it-also requires enough knowledge, but some of the newbies will just rush into the trading without proper knowledge. That’s why some of them lost huge amounts of money in the future trading.

[Versatile_choice]

I like this example you gave here, because I noticed that some people still don't understand the different between Investor and a trader, they feel that once they buy a coin and HODL it for like 1 to 2 months that they're now qualified to be called an Investor. Not knowing that a real investor is that person that invest for like 4-10 depending on thier Investment goal, this are the set of people that is Worthy to be called an investor and not those who are just investing for 1 to 2 months and start looking for profit. going about it this way does not make you an investor but a trader, I think this is the right time for us to understand the difference.

[EluguHcman]

Buying a coin is not considered an investment, if a person buys a particular coin and sells it for some profit then it is considered trading. Investing is when you buy a reliable coin and try to hold it for a long time.

You are on point but probably getting it complicated because whether you are trading or investing you will still have to undergo the process of buying the asset before you do your whatever.

However, trading is a short term goal which traders take the risks of trying to predict the market price even while volatility is very high and unpredictable just so that they can make quick profits while risk of loosing is also very high until you have gained professional experience before you can be successful in the long time.

Investment is the requirement of holding the Bitcoins as a store of values which may be in the long term. It is less riskier because you will not loose your assets values as long you are looking on to the long term goal. It just requires patience despites volatilities.

[Bd officer]

Futures trading is more risky so I have tried to make a comparative difference between spot trading and investing. I think the initial step of trading is spot trading, some traders may not start futures trading before starting spot trading, so if all these traders know the good and bad sides of trading in advance and if they can consider trading as risky then they will understand the subject of futures trading and they will refrain from this risky work.

The risk that is involved in the future trading is very high, and that’s why I will never advise anyone to introduce themselves to the future trading, but some people think that the future trading is more profitable. And one thing about the future trading is that the higher the profits, the higher the risks, and it-also requires enough knowledge, but some of the newbies will just rush into the trading without proper knowledge. That’s why some of them lost huge amounts of money in the future trading.

In fact, futures trading can be called like gambling. It is seen that some people without understanding expect more profit and plan to do futures trading but end up facing huge losses. However, OP mentioned spot trading, now any trading is more risky than investing. If you cannot analyze the market properly then you will face loss instead of profit by trading. But if you invest with a long term plan, the risk will be less and there will be a possibility of profit. That is why experienced people say that trading is not for everyone, not everyone can profit by trading, but investment is for everyone.

[Darker45]

In the context of crypto or Bitcoin, they're probably not completely different. Although there are indeed differences in approach, time-frame, risk tolerance, and whatnot between Bitcoin trading and investing, many are probably buying solely for the sake of selling. And they'd probably buy back during the bear season.

Isn't that essentially trading? Although their timeframe isn't by the minutes, hours, days, or weeks and they don't go into charting and technical analysis, since they're still very much into 'buy low, sell high' behavior--although in terms of years or long cycles like the halving--then aren't they traders?

I guess most of those who invest in Bitcoin aren't doing it for retirement, or for wealth accumulation for the next generation, or for annual dividends, and so on. They're probably doing it for selling when the profit is good enough and they're looking forward to the next crypto winter for accumulation.

[Asiska02]

The risk that is involved in the future trading is very high, and that’s why I will never advise anyone to introduce themselves to the future trading, but some people think that the future trading is more profitable. And one thing about the future trading is that the higher the profits, the higher the risks, and it-also requires enough knowledge, but some of the newbies will just rush into the trading without proper knowledge. That’s why some of them lost huge amounts of money in the future trading.

Futures trading is the fastest way to make money through trading and also the most risky way to lose all your money. The trading market is very big as many people triumph in to become traders but only few are able to hold on there for a very long time. They see it as a get rich quick scheme that after some time, they see the reality of it and when they can’t contend with it, they leave trading very early. Trading is not easy and that’s why but every trader is successful yet or every trader is living the best life yet. Newbies should avoid trading as much as they can because it’s the fastest way to go back to square one after making any mistake.

[sunsilk]

the main purpose of trading is to earn a small amount of profit

The main purpose is to earn, that's it. Big or small amount, that's still profit and I think that the most traders are thinking of bigger profits than small ones.

And that's why they are on a quest in looking for the pairs that they want to trade based on the news and technical factors that they analyze.

It is wrong to think that a trader will profit by trading

From where traders are going to profit? traders do earn from trading.

Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

I agree but both traders and investors loss respectively if market changes happen.

[Sally9256]

In the new situation, we almost equate trading and investing. Trading and long-term investing are two completely different things, let us discuss these issues in detail below.

Buying a coin is not considered an investment, if a person buys a particular coin and sells it for some profit then it is considered trading. Investing is when you buy a reliable coin and try to hold it for a long time.

The difference between trading and long-term investing,
Since investment is planned for a long term, small changes in the market do not affect an investor, as a result of which the investor does not care much about this small fluctuation in the market. In this case, trading is different, the main purpose of trading is to earn a small amount of profit, to earn this small amount of profit, a trader always has to keep an eye on the changes in the market and when the trader thinks that the market has come down relatively now and he should buy a coin, he buys a coin and when the profit is as expected, he sells it. It is wrong to think that a trader will profit by trading, many times it is seen that a trader is facing a lot of money loss for a small amount of profit. Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

I don't really have much knowledge about Trading and investing but as a beginner in the learning stage I understand that trading and Investing are two different things although they still some things in common. Like being disciplined to stick to your plan and not panic sell whenever the market goes side ways.

The differences can be found in the level of risk that both carries. Trading is usually more risky than investing and also trading requires more market and technical analysis. Trading requires frequent transacting while investing involves buying and waiting. Trading requires more allocation of time while Investing requires less time allocation.

[Wiwo]

Ops this is bigginers and help sections, this sections is for any thing forum related and helps for beginners here in the forum, and not for other cryptocurrency related investment or trading, we habe various board that are dedicated for this kind of topics and discussions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=8.0
Move thus topic to trading discussions, that is where this discussions fit most and not beginners and help ans you made it here.

Trading is somewhat a risk involving activities, that beginners and other newbies should avoid until they build the necessary knowledge which definitely will take them time.