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October 11, 2025, 11:41:49 PM
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I won $80k and they have been consistently ghosting me and have my money stuck in perpetual withdrawal verification. They've blocked my chat access as well so I cannot inform other people that they are being scammed.

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I will be contacting a lawyer to see if any legal avenue is possible as much as I doubt it, if anyone knows any way to contact the Canadian authority which gave them the gambling license please let me know. Maybe we can save other people from these guys.
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October 12, 2025, 03:28:59 AM
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Hi!
What ever u do, don't just play the balance. If they reject it just keep reinserting the wd and let a lawyer send them an email, it should speed things up.
I know it's frustrating to wait what is truthfully yours, may patience be with you.
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I just sent a message to Bennett. Let him chime in.

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October 12, 2025, 09:03:15 AM
Last edit: October 12, 2025, 09:14:53 AM by bennettwinna
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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.

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October 12, 2025, 11:13:17 AM
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Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
I'm sorry, but what the hell does this mean!? Are you saying that gamblers can't play seriously to earn a profit, and if they do, they'd most likely get accused of cheating/abusing the casino? Or is this part of your response just in the context of when the gambler is breaking the casino's Terms and Conditions?

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October 12, 2025, 11:15:51 AM
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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



That is such bullshit I read your terms and NOWHERE is such a thing stated to be against the terms of service, so you make the rules up as you go to keep my money, I withdrew a total of $400 and you decided to keep $80k for you totally makes sense.

I did not break ANY of the ToS, the fact that pragmatic decided to ban me and winna just confiscates even my non Blackjack winnings is absurd.

Terms and Conditions of Winna.com
1. Introduction

1.1 These rules represent an agreement between Winna.com ("the Website" or "the Company") and the player ("you" or "the Player"). By using any section of Winna.com, including mobile apps and other versions, you agree to these Terms and Conditions, bonus terms, game rules, and third-party service terms accessible via the Website. Please read these rules carefully before continuing to use Winna.com. Your continued use constitutes acceptance.
2. Parties

2.1 Winna.com is operated by GG Gaming LLC, with its registered address at Sabana Business Center, Boulevard Ernesto Rohrmoser, Mata Redonda, San José, Costa Rica. GG Gaming LLC is licensed and regulated under the Gaming Act by the Tobique Gaming Commission.

2.2 References to "we," "our," or "the Company" refer to GG Gaming LLC. For all support inquiries, contact: support@winna.com.
3. Amendments

3.1 Winna.com may modify these Terms at any time without prior notice. Updated versions become effective upon publication. Players are responsible for reviewing changes regularly. Continued use after changes implies acceptance.
4. Legal Requirements

4.1 You must be at least 18 years old (or the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction) to use our services.

4.2 It is your responsibility to ensure that online gambling is legal in your jurisdiction. Winna.com makes no legal representation regarding your right to access or use our services.

4.3 The following countries and jurisdictions are prohibited from using our services: Afghanistan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burundi, Canadian Province of New Brunswick, Central African Republic, China, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Germany, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Israel, North Korea, Lebanon, Libya, Mali, Myanmar, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Ontario, Russia, Somalia, South Sudan, Syria, Spain, UK, USA, Yemen, Venezuela. This list may be updated.

4.4 Winna.com does not assume responsibility for local tax obligations. You are responsible for reporting and paying any taxes on winnings as per your local laws.

4.5 All currency references are interpreted as equivalents in your registered account currency based on real-time exchange rates. We are not liable for exchange rate fluctuations or conversion fees.

4.6 Accounts in bad standing—including but not limited to accounts involved in fraud, verification evasion, or abuse—may be closed. Bonuses may be denied or revoked at our sole discretion.
5. Account Opening and Management

5.1 Only one account is permitted per individual, household, IP, or device. Duplicate accounts may be suspended or closed, and funds may be forfeited.

5.2 You must provide accurate and truthful information when registering. Winna.com reserves the right to request verification documents, including identity, address, and payment method.

5.3 Accounts may be suspended or closed if the Company suspects fraud, misuse, or violation of these Terms.
6. Anti-Fraud and KYC Compliance

6.1 Winna.com complies with anti-money laundering (AML) and counter-terrorist financing (CTF) laws. We may request identity verification at any time.

6.2 We reserve the right to suspend withdrawals or block accounts pending verification. False or misleading information may result in permanent closure and funds forfeiture.
7. Account Security

7.1 You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your login credentials. Unauthorized use of your account is your responsibility.

7.2 If you suspect unauthorized access, contact support@winna.com immediately. We are not liable for losses resulting from compromised credentials.
8. Deposits and Withdrawals

8.1 All funds deposited must originate from a payment method registered in your name. We do not accept third-party payments.

8.2 Withdrawals will only be processed to the same method used for deposits, unless otherwise agreed and verified.

8.3 Cryptocurrency transactions must be confirmed on the appropriate blockchain before being credited or withdrawn. Errors due to incorrect wallet addresses are your responsibility.

8.4 A 1x wagering requirement applies to all deposits. Additional wagering may apply depending on bonus activity.

8.5 Large withdrawals (€2,000 or equivalent) may be subject to enhanced verification. Multiple withdrawals within 24 hours may incur a processing fee.

8.6 Winna.com is not a bank; funds are not insured or interest-bearing.

8.7 Standard withdrawal limits are set at $10,000 per 24-hour period or the equivalent amount in the requested currency. These limits may be increased for players with higher VIP levels at the discretion of the player's VIP Host and the company.

8.8 You may withdraw any unutilized and cleared funds held in your player account by submitting a withdrawal request in accordance with our withdrawal conditions. The minimum withdrawal amount per transaction is € 10 (or equivalent in other currency) with the exception of an account closure in which case you may withdraw the full balance.

8.9 As stated in these Terms, we are unable to honor payouts that result from gameplay affected by a system error or malfunction. Such bets may be voided.
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October 12, 2025, 12:10:45 PM
Last edit: October 12, 2025, 12:30:44 PM by rickez3
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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



1. What the game provider says to you is entirely irrelevant. They are not a party whatsoever. "Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team" They can say anything lol.

2. they are showing signs of card counting. this doesnt matter either, card counting is a perfectly legit strategy to be used in any casino worldwide. you are free to prevent players you suspect of card counting from playing the game. HOWEVER you can never ever block withdrawals from winnings made by card counting at all. That is highly illegal.

3. "In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way." Fraudulent? they just played the games on your website.  Why are you offering these games in the first place if people cannot play them?

4. "That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency." You have no communication. That just gives people the belief that you are scamming them, rightfully so.

5 "Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games." XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD nothing else.


In summary, you are free to block whatever account you want. What you cannot do is not pay out winnings that were obtained by just playing the game.

Besides, you can't actually think its okay ghosting someone with a balance of 80k in winnings made from games not related to BJ cardcounting at all?? Like that is some next level scamming stuff i sweaar
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October 12, 2025, 12:33:19 PM
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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



1. What the game provider says to you is entirely irrelevant. They are not a party whatsoever. "Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team" They can say anything lol.

2. they are showing signs of card counting. this doesnt matter either, card counting is a perfectly legit strategy to be used in any casino worldwide. you are free to prevent players you suspect of card counting from playing the game. HOWEVER you can never ever block withdrawals from winnings made by card counting at all. That is highly illegal.

3. "In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way." Fraudulent? they just played the games on your website.  Why are you offering these games in the first place if people cannot play them?

4. "That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency." You have no communication. That just gives people the belief that you are scamming them, rightfully so.

5 "Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games." XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD nothing else.


In summary, you are free to block whatever account you want. What you cannot do is not pay out winnings that were obtained by just playing the game.

Besides, you can't actually think its okay ghosting someone with a balance of 80k in winnings made from games not related to BJ cardcounting at all?? Like that is some next level scamming stuff i sweaar


Correct they can claim their 'provider' said whatever and just keep the money and be 'perfectly justified'.

Nothing in their ToS they just arbitrarily decided that my money is theirs. I messaged their Canadian regulator and I will proceed to legal action as well.
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October 12, 2025, 12:42:05 PM
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Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
I'm sorry, but what the hell does this mean!? Are you saying that gamblers can't play seriously to earn a profit, and if they do, they'd most likely get accused of cheating/abusing the casino? Or is this part of your response just in the context of when the gambler is breaking the casino's Terms and Conditions?


Of course a player can beat the casino. Many players are in profit on our site. This is part of the game.
This comment is part of the message of the provider as it is part of the quote (" ... ")

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Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
I'm sorry, but what the hell does this mean!? Are you saying that gamblers can't play seriously to earn a profit, and if they do, they'd most likely get accused of cheating/abusing the casino? Or is this part of your response just in the context of when the gambler is breaking the casino's Terms and Conditions?


Of course a player can beat the casino. Many players are in profit on our site. This is part of the game.
This comment is part of the message of the provider as it is part of the quote (" ... ")




I literally did not break your ToS the logical action is to payout my winnings and tell me to never come back as real casinos do.

You cannot arbitrarily change your terms of service when NOWHERE is it stated that what I did breaks the ToS. You happily accepted my deposits and if I had lost you'd never refund my funds because it was 'illegal play'.
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October 12, 2025, 12:53:32 PM
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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



Card counting is a lame excuse from a game provide that use continuous shuffling machine to fight card counting. It’s almost impossible to do card counting on most live blackjack table so this use is just playing based on the assumption that he has +EV due to the current card dealt but it’s impossible to do it continuously.

Also the balance in question is a profit made from your original games which he won fairly.

So your reason is just you are holding his profit just because he use the balance that was flagged by Pragmatic as card counting while he won the profit during the time that his money is not flagged yet therefore he made a valid win.

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October 12, 2025, 01:03:38 PM
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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



Card counting is a lame excuse from a game provide that use continuous shuffling machine to fight card counting. It’s almost impossible to do card counting on most live blackjack table so this use is just playing based on the assumption that he has +EV due to the current card dealt but it’s impossible to do it continuously.

Also the balance in question is a profit made from your original games which he won fairly.

So your reason is just you are holding his profit just because he use the balance that was flagged by Pragmatic as card counting while he won the profit during the time that his money is not flagged yet therefore he made a valid win.


It is impossible I had some tables open and did manual card counting but I definitely took -EV plays as well, if anything his responses should tell you how casinos view users.
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October 12, 2025, 01:04:55 PM
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Card counting is a lame excuse from a game provide that use continuous shuffling machine to fight card counting. It’s almost impossible to do card counting on most live blackjack table so this use is just playing based on the assumption that he has +EV due to the current card dealt but it’s impossible to do it continuously.
That's what I thought too, card counting on live blackjack that has multiple decks that get shuffled every round(at least as far as I know). So, card counting is basically impossible to do, unless the tool or techniques they accuse OP of using can somehow predict the randomness of the shuffling.

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October 12, 2025, 01:08:47 PM
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Card counting is a lame excuse from a game provide that use continuous shuffling machine to fight card counting. It’s almost impossible to do card counting on most live blackjack table so this use is just playing based on the assumption that he has +EV due to the current card dealt but it’s impossible to do it continuously.
That's what I thought too, card counting on live blackjack that has multiple decks that get shuffled every round(at least as far as I know). So, card counting is basically impossible to do, unless the tool or techniques they accuse OP of using can somehow predict the randomness of the shuffling.

yeah duh. Card counting on online blackjack is almost impossible. That is common knowledge. And it doesnt even matter. Even if it was possible, it is allowed and casinos are free to block people from playing. what they cannot do is ghost players and not pay out winnings. And the excuse also. The provider said blahblahblah so we arent paying you xdxdxdxd. Like tf
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October 12, 2025, 01:27:40 PM
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Card counting is a lame excuse from a game provide that use continuous shuffling machine to fight card counting. It’s almost impossible to do card counting on most live blackjack table so this use is just playing based on the assumption that he has +EV due to the current card dealt but it’s impossible to do it continuously.
That's what I thought too, card counting on live blackjack that has multiple decks that get shuffled every round(at least as far as I know). So, card counting is basically impossible to do, unless the tool or techniques they accuse OP of using can somehow predict the randomness of the shuffling.

It's impossible to count long term, all you can do is calculate mentally the current hand while ignoring the deck and slightly deviating from basic strategy, I doubt it's even +EV long term, the only reason I did it is because I was reading a book about math and it was an example in game theory so i thought why not.

I checked their ToS and I saw nothing about card counting and logically online providers probably have resolved the oldest issue in the history of Blackjack. I have the issue can be rectified and Winna pays out my winnings and we can part ways peacefully.
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October 12, 2025, 02:05:17 PM
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Card counting is a lame excuse from a game provide that use continuous shuffling machine to fight card counting. It’s almost impossible to do card counting on most live blackjack table so this use is just playing based on the assumption that he has +EV due to the current card dealt but it’s impossible to do it continuously.
That's what I thought too, card counting on live blackjack that has multiple decks that get shuffled every round(at least as far as I know). So, card counting is basically impossible to do, unless the tool or techniques they accuse OP of using can somehow predict the randomness of the shuffling.

It's impossible to count long term, all you can do is calculate mentally the current hand while ignoring the deck and slightly deviating from basic strategy, I doubt it's even +EV long term, the only reason I did it is because I was reading a book about math and it was an example in game theory so i thought why not.

I checked their ToS and I saw nothing about card counting and logically online providers probably have resolved the oldest issue in the history of Blackjack. I have the issue can be rectified and Winna pays out my winnings and we can part ways peacefully.

Correct. There’s no guarantee too that you can do it accurately considering the number of decks they are using is massive while they shuffle the deck midway.

I believe card counting is not the main issue here rather your big win that you manage to get on their mines game which they are trying to avoid paying by using this card counting as excuse.

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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



That is such a cop out from winna and pragmatic
I was always under the impression that card counting was very unlikely in online games with constant shuffling etc

SO casino has a % edge over all players in ALL games, but if somehow a player manages to find an edge they are instantly banned ? LOL
what a joke

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Hi everyone,

We’d like to clarify the background of this case so that the situation is fully understood.

The player in question made deposits totaling $1,520 on October 2nd and 3rd, played exclusively Blackjack Live (Pragmatic Play), and successfully withdrew $1,950 (that all went through instantly) during that same period.
Over the course of his play, he placed around 500 bets across various Pragmatic Blackjack tables.

Shortly after, we received an alert from Pragmatic Play Live. Based on their review of the player’s full gameplay history, they flagged the account for advantage play, specifically, card counting.

At that point, we blocked withdrawal access for the account while the matter was investigated further. He had around $1,000 left in his account at that time.

Here’s the relevant part of the official communication we received from Pragmatic Play’s fraud and risk team:

Kindly note that the gameplay history and the overall activity of the players below has been thoroughly reviewed and we can confirm that they are showing signs of card counting:

User: ***49
User ID: **********394

According to our analysis on Blackjack games, these players are employing statistical models and card counting techniques to gain a theoretical advantage over the house. The players are only placing bets when they have a mathematical edge and are expected to generate winnings over the long run.

To be more precise, the players are wagering in advantageous situations when they have a mathematical advantage over the house.

Since the players are not playing the games for entertainment purpose we have blocked the accounts from all Pragmatic Play Live Casino games.
This is part of our ongoing security process improvements and commitment to faster response times.


Only after realizing that withdrawals were blocked did the player start wagering on other games using the remaining balance that originated from the flagged gameplay.
In these cases, we’re required by both the provider and our license conditions to freeze related winnings that were obtained in a fraudulent way.

That said, we recognize that our communication during this process could have been clearer. The player should have been informed sooner about the restriction and the reason behind it, rather than discovering it after further play. We take responsibility for that delay and are already reviewing our internal procedures to improve future transparency.

The players account has been closed now. There will be no further comment from our side.

While we regret any inconvenience caused, our actions followed the provider’s official findings and our licensing obligations. We’ll make sure communication in such cases is handled more clearly going forward.



That is such a cop out from winna and pragmatic
I was always under the impression that card counting was very unlikely in online games with constant shuffling etc

SO casino has a % edge over all players in ALL games, but if somehow a player manages to find an edge they are instantly banned ? LOL
what a joke

It's not even a real edge long term as it's unsustainable to count, I did very basic mental math on the cards while watching the table and these guys try to portray me as something else. Imagine if a person with high IQ is playing Blackjack and does manual counting automatically. It's not even sustainable long term you can play a few hands with edge but you lose long term. They will come up with every excuse possible to not me pay me out, I will be contacting a lawyer as 80k is a substantial amount and let the court of law decide.
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