Bad for us Good for them is sadly the world we live in

[Outhue]

This is no means of promoting mixers as it's been finalised that mixers promotion isn't allow on the forum any longer.

In my country, when criminals are been  caught they will be charged to court and if there are smart criminals in their midst, he will become a tool to the government or the politicians. If a drug dealer is caught in the act the law enforcers will seize the drugs and have part of the drugs to themselves. I can still remember where a guy was caught with marijuana, the cop let him go and he kept the item for his own consumption.

There is always some level of corruption in the government, from the highest rank to the lowest and this got me thinking if truly mixers are brought down for good, knowing fully well to those who are in power that this is a good way to hide their Bitcoin or move around some heavy amount of money without anyone knowing.

When things tend to benefit the masses the government always want to take control, do you really think that these powerful people who are supposed to uphold law and justice won't take advantage of mixers to themselves? I mean they are human and some of them are just corrupt.

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

[Joy- maker]

You are raising a valid concern here, and it already obvious that those in power will definitely take advantage of mixers to themselves, that is if they are not taking advantage of it already, because with the high level of corruption going on in the government, those in power can do the undo, they can go extra mind just to keep their money coming, because they are just in government to embezzle money to enrich themselves, they are not there for the people nor for the betterment of the country but for the betterment of themselves and their children. Although will still have some few good person's who are in power who are not corrupt, who are ready to uphold the law and administer justice when necessary but they can't, because the corrupt people are the ones that dominate the government, that why in some countries today the high level of corruption going on there is beyond measure.

[Fiatless]

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

Bitcoin transactions are already transparent; hence, the involvement of the government will change nothing. Politicians are often corrupt and will rarely genuinely promote a platform that fosters openness.

Mixers are neutral and can be used by anybody or organisations for diverse reasons. Most people use them to promote privacy. Others might use it to cover up criminal activities. But I think government officials have already perfected strategies to hide their fraud through fiat.

[Dave1]

When things tend to benefit the masses the government always want to take control, do you really think that these powerful people who are supposed to uphold law and justice won't take advantage of mixers to themselves? I mean they are human and some of them are just corrupt.

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

We've seen that they have taken advantage of mixers? Like the last big mixers that fall on the hands of the government, they have track everything that it is being used by the criminals and so they shut it down for good and most likely unravel a lot from the mixer services logs (which supposedly they deleted), but they didn't that's why the government might have caught most of them.

That's why mixers try to stay one step ahead of the game, but using different algo, conjoins and other methods. One thing that might be possible and I think it has been discussed already that maybe some mixers are really from government and so they can catch and know who are using it and in the right time arrest those personalities.

[CryptoYar]

Your worry is very right and shows difference between openness that crypto money is meant to offer and truth of bad acts among powerful individuals. It is historical fact that very people who are meant to be making rules such as police or government officials are ones who secretly use private tools to their benefit. To corrupt official, crypto mixer is great since it hides their financial moves which is very problem that open book of Bitcoin was meant to fix. Also, as government tries to ban or control mixers, odd thing is that this only tends to make powerful, corrupt insiders only ones who still have access to best private tools, which give them edge. So, it is only sensible to be careful of belief that government getting involved will mean openness since there are big chances that bad officials will use mixers to hide their money and stay ahead.

[m2017]

Any hypothetical "regulator" is heterogeneous (to varying degrees in different countries) in the composition of its employees (officials, etc.), among whom are both honest and corrupt (there is a conflict of interest between them). Of course, the corrupt will lobby for their own interests, so even mixers banned here on the forum won't be eliminated worldwide. That is, I assume these corrupt officials won't use their influence to block and shut down all mixers, as this is necessary for their personal use. Consequently, the world, which you consider bad for us, turns out to be not so bad thanks to these corrupt officials. Let's admit that mixers are not "absolute evil", as government officials claim, but rather a tool that protects every bitcoiner's right to privacy.

I think Satoshi needed to integrate the mixer into bitcoin from the start. Although, what's stopping BTC-community from adding it now so it becomes an integral part of btc?

[Chinesebaby]

This is no means of promoting mixers as it's been finalised that mixers promotion isn't allow on the forum any longer.

In my country, when criminals are been  caught they will be charged to court and if there are smart criminals in their midst, he will become a tool to the government or the politicians. If a drug dealer is caught in the act the law enforcers will seize the drugs and have part of the drugs to themselves. I can still remember where a guy was caught with marijuana, the cop let him go and he kept the item for his own consumption.

There is always some level of corruption in the government, from the highest rank to the lowest and this got me thinking if truly mixers are brought down for good, knowing fully well to those who are in power that this is a good way to hide their Bitcoin or move around some heavy amount of money without anyone knowing.

When things tend to benefit the masses the government always want to take control, do you really think that these powerful people who are supposed to uphold law and justice won't take advantage of mixers to themselves? I mean they are human and some of them are just corrupt.

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

This can only happen in countries where it's government officials aren't been held accountable to whatever public funds spent during office, and most especially African government officials, and not in places like China and Japan were it's government officials are extremely always careful of public funds. Knowing fully well the penalties that comes with it. Because however, when it comes to the case of mixer ban on both the forum and US government, I think the primary reason that must have prevented it's operation was erase any tool or platform that will help make fraudulent activities remain anonymous.

[WellRozey]

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

But I think government officials have already perfected strategies to hide their fraud through fiat.

If there is a almost perfect way of hiding money on the blockchain it is through Mixers, take it or leave it, power is required to keep fiat away locked up somewhere, there are many politicians that got bursted in my country because they embezzled fiat currency in a bank account.

Even those who locked theirs away in another foreign country they end up exposing them, this is happening because it is fiat, I am not saying it is impossible but power is how you hide fiat away for good, once you are no more in power there is a chance that your past will come knocking at your door.

Either America or UK, one of these countries helped a well known politician to store huge amount of money and after several years have past and the man is no more in power this country revealed to us that the money locked away is an account number belongs to the man, if it was on the blockchain hided via mixer nobody will know.

[UchihaSarada]

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

Mixers benefit everyone, every entity, every government because it's very basic that all of us want privacy. Privacy matters for all of us, even we don't actually care about it and if you simply unintentionally use a private system that is good for your privacy, it's better than using a system that harms your privacy.

Mixers are not hard to use and even with bad practice of using UTXOs before and after a mixing process, your privacy is still better than without mixing usage. Invididuals, companies, governments are all can use mixers and anything similar that are good for their privacy.

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[EL MOHA]

If there is a almost perfect way of hiding money on the blockchain it is through Mixers, take it or leave it, power is required to keep fiat away locked up somewhere, there are many politicians that got bursted in my country because they embezzled fiat currency in a bank account.

You cannot hide money or should we rightly say bitcoin on blockchain it is publicly available of visible to everyone just that it cannot be traced to you physically due to the lack of KYC or protocol like this and this is the role of mixers to actually make it traceable to you. This kind of anonymity is what the government doesn’t want users to have access to, they do not want anything anonymous and it is the major reason why privacy coins monero are having trouble with the government.

The government wishes to control everything and have access to every users information most especially if it has to do money issues, and the fact criminals actually use this advantage on mixers to perpetuate their crimes this gives government more ways to tackle mixers even though we know it is for their own selfish interest. Without mixers you can simply be anonymous by using different other techniques most especially without having anything to do with centralized and KYC platforms or avoid linking addresses together

[SilverCryptoBullet]

You cannot hide money or should we rightly say bitcoin on blockchain it is publicly available of visible to everyone just that it cannot be traced to you physically due to the lack of KYC or protocol like this and this is the role of mixers to actually make it traceable to you. This kind of anonymity is what the government doesn’t want users to have access to, they do not want anything anonymous and it is the major reason why privacy coins monero are having trouble with the government.

KYC is terrible for privacy and it's only good for governments and their benefits while with citizens, nobody want to lose privacy especially it does not help them anything else.
Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts
Not your keys, not your coins.
How the SEC nearly destroyed my retirement account

There are many events made you scare about custodial wallets, centralized exchanges.

[Patikno]

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

It is sad, but it is an undeniable reality. Corruption is rampant everywhere, and the same is true in my country. Honestly, I feel that any country adopting Bitcoin still leaves room for corruption for the government (certain individuals), and mixers are one possible way for them to do so. Even if a particular country wants to adopt Bitcoin, I believe they should be transparent about all activities in their wallets, so that citizens can track their activities and, if any suspicious transactions occur, they can question them. By the way, I don't think any country is completely clean or free from corruption.

 Furthermore, I believe the government has all the tools to do anything, even to deceive people. However, I am confident that Bitcoin will spread to all countries, and we, as citizens, must understand Bitcoin so that we can at least take issue with suspicious activities from the government (malicious actors, or individuals).

[Pauldesaints]

The level of corruption in the government this days beat my imaginations that there is nothing impossible for them to do.The government officials could use mixers as new strategy to perpetrate there illicit activities.gone are days when government officials are elected to act according to the dictates of the established laws of the land,serve creditably and transparently for the overall development of the country and for the interest of the masses.today,all are aspiring to Mount the various positions not for the interest of the masses but to enrich their personal pockets.

[Cuda911]

You cannot hide money or should we rightly say bitcoin on blockchain it is publicly available of visible to everyone just that it cannot be traced to you physically due to the lack of KYC or protocol like this and this is the role of mixers to actually make it traceable to you. This kind of anonymity is what the government doesn’t want users to have access to, they do not want anything anonymous and it is the major reason why privacy coins monero are having trouble with the government.

KYC is terrible for privacy and it's only good for governments and their benefits while with citizens, nobody want to lose privacy especially it does not help them anything else.
Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts
Not your keys, not your coins.
How the SEC nearly destroyed my retirement account

There are many events made you scare about custodial wallets, centralized exchanges.

Privacy is the best.

Anything that has to do with centralised exchanges, closed source crypto wallet, KYC and others I don't want to have anything with them because these things only benefit the government, they are trying as much as possible to control everything, they KNEW that Bitcoin is like a world for people without any ruler, that's why some want to kill it and the others want to take control.

Sadly the Trump administrator have successfully do the unthinkable, it is only a matter of time for every countries to start going after Bitcoin, it will turn political than adoption because it seems that anyone that owns a higher amount of Bitcoin can create panic and fear in the market, this is control.

I read about Blackrock and I got scared, everything that they have ever touched became their puppets and they became the masters in control, and now they found a new playing h ground call cryptocurrency.

[hd49728]

Privacy is the best.

Anything that has to do with centralised exchanges, closed source crypto wallet, KYC and others I don't want to have anything with them because these things only benefit the government, they are trying as much as possible to control everything, they KNEW that Bitcoin is like a world for people without any ruler, that's why some want to kill it and the others want to take control.

When you lost your privacy, you can not get it back completely and your life will be under more risk and curious eyes so you will have less private space but have more risks of attacks on both online and offline space. Living a humble life with good privacy will make you feel better, safer hence improve your life quality a lot.

Centralized exchanges, centralized platforms, custodial wallets and close source wallets are all bad places and bad wallets for using and storing your fund. It harms your privacy, while your fund is very unsafe because no true access to your coins. There is no private keys for you on centralized exchanges/ platforms, and "It's not your key, it's not your coins" is a famous warning.

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts.

[Z-tight]

What government or country are we discussing here, because if we talk about the U.S., they are on an attack against privacy and privacy tools, but mixers are not banned by any law. And i believe it to be the same in many other countries, governments naturally do not like privacy or decentralization, but mixers are not explicitly banned from operating.

When things tend to benefit the masses the government always want to take control, do you really think that these powerful people who are supposed to uphold law and justice won't take advantage of mixers to themselves? I mean they are human and some of them are just corrupt.

In what way exactly? Also when you say 'government', are you talking about the body or personnel within in. Government officials can decide to buy BTC individually if they wish and use any service they want to use, that is not a crime. However, if you are talking about embezzling public funds, then fiat is fine for that, and that is what they have been using for ages. BTC has a transparent blockchain and contrary to what a lot of people think, it may not be the best tool to launder money.

[Plaguedeath]

Obviously government will get the most benefit compared to other parties.

Mixers developers: They built, they spend money, they take the risk.
The users: They spent money to get privacy.
Government: Zero risk, zero effort, and able to get money from the mixers.

At least Bitcoin make the government harder to corrupt because everything record in blockchain, at least people can know how much coins belong to the government unlike physical items or other things that any people can't track it.

[Hamza2424]

When things tend to benefit the masses the government always want to take control, do you really think that these powerful people who are supposed to uphold law and justice won't take advantage of mixers to themselves? I mean they are human and some of them are just corrupt.

To think about it, I think Mixers will benefit the government the most, I have from now stop saying the words that government getting involved in bitcoin and blockchain means transparency, mixers would be a perfect gateway for them, to atleast stay ahead of us.

Haha why are you so concerned about this bro? I mean, the most benefit of this would be to the members who want to join their signature campaigns here. But seeing this from your perspective, you are true, these privacy tools can be a big facility to the governments in moving their funds, but they already have ways, as you said, they always make friendly relations with the sources they found useful.

Besides them using these mixers, this is not impacting them at all, they just can't work around things yet and finding ways to do that although the current government is friendly enough and maybe they can be friendly to the privacy tools as well.

[Versatile_choice]

those in power can do the undo, they can go extra mind just to keep their money coming, because they are just in government to embezzle money to enrich themselves, they are not there for the people nor for the betterment of the country but for the betterment of themselves and their children. Although will still have some few good person's who are in power who are not corrupt, who are ready to uphold the law and administer justice when necessary but they can't, because the corrupt people are the ones that dominate the government, that why in some countries today the high level of corruption going on there is beyond measure.

Here is the reason why citizens don't need to depend solely on the government because they have absolutely nothing to offer to the citizens, whenever they are contesting for leadership you will see them making thousands of promises just to get people to vote for them and after they must have succeeded in getting that which they desired to get. Then they will leave the citizens with thier promise unfulfilled, so whoever that is still hoping for the government to bring better opportunities for them is just wasting his time. Because is obvious that majority of this  folks that is struggling to gain recognition in the government house is just doing it for the betterment of him and his family.

[Ketesnuko]

This is why most people who invented something new that's going to benefit the public always go missing, you won't hear from them after unveiling what they have built, it happened few times over here and I am sure that the government silenced them. People are now scared to show any talent that can be life threatening to them.

Is this not the reason why Satoshi Nakamoto never exposed who he really his? There will be some political parties that will want him gone for good, they assassinated someone for talking facts in the public space in the University, why can't they do the same to Nakamoto, if I have a opportunity to ask a question from him it would be around this same discussion.

Satoshi Nakamoto is a wise man, something straight out of the Bible, he knew the treats lurking in the shadows if he exposed who he truly his, they will come for him, those who power struggles is all they like fighting for, if is a shame what this world have turned out to be, no wonder why God said He is not happy for creating we humans.