Bookmakers don't like consistent winners ‎

[fruktik]

Many years ago, I was kicked out of a brick-and-mortar casino several times. And all because I got too drunk on the alcoholic drinks sold there. It's embarrassing even now to think about it. It happens to everyone, right? They still let me deposit anyway, because I brought in enough money for the casino, losing my deposit time and time again. Damn, how could I have gotten to this point?

[Lannakosa]

I have not experienced it before or seen someone that has been in that hole before but on the forum, I have seen similar thread before, the author was talking about someone (a bettor) that his account got frozen by the bookie before he was winning so much, while another person that has similar experience, his account was not frozen but the bookie limited him of the amount that he can be able to stake with on a single bet. they didn't allow him stake so much large amount in a single bet.

I think it’s possible, I personally have never encountered this, but I think if there are players who are able to win and withdraw their winnings, the casino may require verification or even limit the player’s bets or withdrawals until the situation is clarified. But if this happens in one casino, the player can start playing in another casino or in several casinos at the same time so that their bets and winnings are smaller and do not attract too much attention.

[Pandu Geddon]

‎In the second instance, the casino is likely to ban the gambler who has won $150k over a month while counting cards at blackjack.
 They understand here that this single long term winner is winning way much more than losing and that is bad for business, hence the ban and a user gets confused with all sorts of questions that revolve around the cause of such ban and acclaimed innocence.

When the news of banning gamblers who consistently win is made public, the reputation of the casino will suffer, which could actually disrupt the business in the long term. Besides, how many gamblers can consistently win in the long run? Compared to the thousands of other customers who experience losses, I think the casino still makes a profit even while paying the gamblers who consistently win. Couldn't this also serve as a good promotion for their casino when there are gamblers who manage to consistently make a profit at their casino?

[Makus]

The bookmakers are constantly making sure they are always in profit that's the reason why the odd systems are programmed for bettors to lose. Let's start with bettors that cheat win illegally, the bookies have a of making sure that those accounts are being spotted, so it's impossible to use a forbidden system to be in profit. If you are the type of bettor that is always In profit at the long run it's different from winning consistently. It's possible to be in profit at the end of the month but incur some losses during that month, it's impossible to win constantly

[promise444c5]

The win doesn’t really matter to the bookmakers since the odds are already set in a way that favours them or the casino( if rented) ,so your winning shouldn’t be much of a concern to them..

There’s nothing wrong with large wins either, but if they happen often or are unusually high, it could draw the casino’s attention to run checks on your account, which might lead to advanced KYC requests and similar verifications.. That doesn’t mean the casino is purposely blocking payouts because of their huge winsunless it’s another non reputable one imho

[Su-asa]

Many years ago, I was kicked out of a brick-and-mortar casino several times. And all because I got too drunk on the alcoholic drinks sold there. It's embarrassing even now to think about it. It happens to everyone, right? They still let me deposit anyway, because I brought in enough money for the casino, losing my deposit time and time again. Damn, how could I have gotten to this point?

I guess it's because you normally get drunk while gambling that's why they don't normally allow you to gamble most of the time. If it has to do with gamble, like losing too often, I'm not sure if they will continue pursuing you from the casino. But however, it's very true what the op have said about casino not allowing some high lucky gamblers gambling anymore. Casino always want to be in profits that's why they normally see high lucky gamblers as cheaters. But when a gambler loses too often they just advise the gambler for responsible gambling (to take a break) but they don't automatically forcr the gambler, but they forcefully lock a gamblers account if the gambler win often. Although they also celebrates the gamblers success to some point.

[Hyphen(-)]

My question is this;
‎* Do you know any cases of gambler(s) chased out of or banned from visiting a casino or gambling platform because they won too much?

‎* or could it be something like this ban or restriction happened to you and you didn't take proper note?

Well, there are several allegations been raised about so many casino and gambling websites including the reputable once for stopping withdrawals after massive win; but in most cases, the casino do come and defend themselves if they are legit, and they gain more reputation after defending themselves by explaining the reason for the ban which are mostly included in their terms and conditions and they will explain ways to follow to lift the ban if possible and the penalty isn’t to ban completely.

After several explanations, most of these casinos do have the right to banned the account because we are used to ignoring terms and conditions and it’s affecting us seriously especially after winning some money from casino.

[Orpichukwu]

Many years ago, I was kicked out of a brick-and-mortar casino several times. And all because I got too drunk on the alcoholic drinks sold there. It's embarrassing even now to think about it. It happens to everyone, right? They still let me deposit anyway, because I brought in enough money for the casino, losing my deposit time and time again. Damn, how could I have gotten to this point?

They still let you deposit anyway because they need your money, but if your drunkenness was going to lead you to winning more than they expect, then they might never allow you to play again. The only reason, which I believe, could have caused why they drove you out is because you were no longer in control of yourselfafter taking too much of the alcoholic substance you bought there. As soon as you start inconveniencing others, security won't take it anymore.

[WhoYouCantKill]

True, there are obvious cases when gamblers are banned for too much winning, mostly when they win as a result of their skill rather than luck. Examples that is most common are professor blackjack card counters such like the MIT Blackjack Team, that was banned from multiple casinos despite they play legally. Certain successful bettors on sports have been restricted also or given limits by the online bookmakers for always beating the house.

Casinos usually do not mind the big one-time winners, they understand they are good publicity. Though if anyone appears to continuously threaten their long-term gain, they act fast. This isn't personal, but just protection of business.

[sompitonov]

Many years ago, I was kicked out of a brick-and-mortar casino several times. And all because I got too drunk on the alcoholic drinks sold there. It's embarrassing even now to think about it. It happens to everyone, right? They still let me deposit anyway, because I brought in enough money for the casino, losing my deposit time and time again. Damn, how could I have gotten to this point?

They still let you deposit anyway because they need your money, but if your drunkenness was going to lead you to winning more than they expect, then they might never allow you to play again. The only reason, which I believe, could have caused why they drove you out is because you were no longer in control of yourselfafter taking too much of the alcoholic substance you bought there. As soon as you start inconveniencing others, security won't take it anymore.

Yes, of course, being drunk in a casino isn't the best idea, but I think some casinos definitely tried to convince a drunk player who won a large sum that they broke some rule or something else, just to avoid paying out their winnings. I don't have any concrete evidence, but casinos are interested in such things. I'm talking about casinos that don't value their reputation and aren't afraid of publicity and being shut down. Unfortunately, such casinos exist. Generally, the first thing a casino will think about regular winners is that they're cheating, although this may not be the case, and the player may simply be a super professional who simply observes the nuances and subtleties of the game.

[Orpichukwu]

They still let you deposit anyway because they need your money, but if your drunkenness was going to lead you to winning more than they expect, then they might never allow you to play again. The only reason, which I believe, could have caused why they drove you out is because you were no longer in control of yourself after taking too much of the alcoholic substance you bought there. As soon as you start inconveniencing others, security won't take it anymore.

Yes, of course, being drunk in a casino isn't the best idea, but I think some casinos definitely tried to convince a drunk player who won a large sum that they broke some rule or something else, just to avoid paying out their winnings. I don't have any concrete evidence, but casinos are interested in such things. I'm talking about casinos that don't value their reputation and aren't afraid of publicity and being shut down. Unfortunately, such casinos exist. Generally, the first thing a casino will think about regular winners is that they're cheating, although this may not be the case, and the player may simply be a super professional who simply observes the nuances and subtleties of the game.

For this very reason of untrusted casinos being able to carry out any form of action just to make sure they don't pay anyone who won something big out from them, being drunk in a casino is not encouraged, but if someone gets an honest winning, the best thing the casino could do is get the person paid at least because before that winning, they have lost a lot, and they did not notice anything wrong with such action, so it will also be unfair and unwise to start investigating immediately after the person wins something big.

[Jaycoinz]

Consistent win in betting is a myth because it's unachievable. It would be easily assumed by the bookmakers that any player that has such results is cheating either by using arbitrage or other forbidden betting systems that puts the user in profit at all times. Betting is designed for the bookies to be in profit, it takes someone that is disciplined and skilled to be able to minimize losses and be in profit at the long run

[Antotena]

True, most bookmakers prefer casual players since consistent winners hurt their margins. That’s why sharp bettors often face limits or delayed odds. The key is mixing betting sizes and markets to stay under the radar.

It's the the duty of the bookmarkers to serve customer right but at the same time, but at the same time it's their responsibility to make money, one of the ways is to lure customers with huge odd to an event that can't help them win money. If casino continues to loss money, they wouldn't be happy but if they are making money and few people are making and the majority is losing, they are going to be happy about it, that's every casino modus operandi.

I still think that despite bookmakers to want to see people lose, they have it in their mind to see people make it again. It is going to be a problem for them if they see lossers consistently. It's better they lose money to players at moderate and make them happy so they can come back than make everyone lose money and see them not comes back to casino. It's even possible that there is a way they regulate winning and losing games in casino to reduce damage between the players and the casino.

[snipie]

My question is this;
‎* Do you know any cases of gambler(s) chased out of or banned from visiting a casino or gambling platform because they won too much?

Well these services use many tricks to restrict the gain of the users. Let's go directly to a guy winning more than losing and passing $xk then they will start with freezing the money until he does KYC and we all know how it takes time and efforts to do it in some cases. Next they will ask for proof of the money sent to them. They can ban you at the meantime if you broke a rule or connected from a restricted country or maybe used VPN once... They will use whatever possible trick to got your money and ban you.

‎* or could it be something like this ban or restriction happened to you and you didn't take proper note?

Well I witnessed one day the closure of a casino site when the moderators and owners were watching a big whale shifting the gain of a casino to negative. He was losing and winning, they weren't able to stop him and he destroyed the investment of everyone. I am pretty sure the closure was due to him because they weren't so decisive to freeze everything for a while and resume.

[DPHOR]

Consistent win in betting is a myth because it's unachievable. It would be easily assumed by the bookmakers that any player that has such results is cheating either by using arbitrage or other forbidden betting systems that puts the user in profit at all times. Betting is designed for the bookies to be in profit, it takes someone that is disciplined and skilled to be able to minimize losses and be in profit at the long run

No matter how disciplined someone could be towards their bankroll they can't fight loses or stop losing money while gambling. In fact what someone could likely face more in gambling is lost, they would keep losing money in a regular basis since the casino has already programmed their system to favor them the most compared with the gamblers, that is why it's always recommended or advisable to gamble with what they can afford to lose while gambling and they should take gambling as the only means of entertainment and easing one's time.

[Abbatty]

I know for sure that there's an expected house edge and a ban will most likely occur when a player employs a legal strategy to gain a long-term advantage, thus negating this house edge in the long term.

Not all bookmakers are against players winning on multiple occasion. I understand the phycological side of the business, it hurts when you are not making profit but the profit they make comes from when many bettors lose after betting. The money won by a particular bettor on multiple occasion cannot affect the business, which is why I said in the first place that the house edge is a general thing. If a bettor is lucky to keep winning, then there is something he is doing right. But his potential win is only a fraction to what the bookmaker profit in a day after many loss from other bettors.

No matter how often a gambler wins I don't think it will affect the casino at all, and like you said it's just a small fraction of what the casino makes. A lot of people are using the casino and almost everyone lose at least 50% of their games so that is a lot of money already.
I am not really sure about a ban on an account just because his winning is too frequent even though they want to get rid of the account I think they will have to wait for the slightest mistake so they can do whatever they want. It's unprofessional to ban an account for no reason at all and it's not good for the casinos reputation.

[junder]

No matter how often a gambler wins I don't think it will affect the casino at all, and like you said it's just a small fraction of what the casino makes. A lot of people are using the casino and almost everyone lose at least 50% of their games so that is a lot of money already.
I am not really sure about a ban on an account just because his winning is too frequent even though they want to get rid of the account I think they will have to wait for the slightest mistake so they can do whatever they want. It's unprofessional to ban an account for no reason at all and it's not good for the casinos reputation.

Blocking an account without a clear reason is certainly unreasonable, but I've experienced it before, even though I hadn't won a single game, so I figured it was something a casino might do to a player they deemed suspicious. I don't know why my account was blocked, but I didn't feel like I'd lost anything because there were no pending withdrawals.
For players who win consistently, I think it can attract the casino's attention. They'll likely be given more attention due to their frequent wins. They won't likely remain silent, as this could lead to losses for their gambling business, even if the losses are small.

[fruktik]

I guess it's because you normally get drunk while gambling that's why they don't normally allow you to gamble most of the time. If it has to do with gamble, like losing too often, I'm not sure if they will continue pursuing you from the casino. But however, it's very true what the op have said about casino not allowing some high lucky gamblers gambling anymore. Casino always want to be in profits that's why they normally see high lucky gamblers as cheaters. But when a gambler loses too often they just advise the gambler for responsible gambling (to take a break) but they don't automatically forcr the gambler, but they forcefully lock a gamblers account if the gambler win often. Although they also celebrates the gamblers success to some point.

It was a long time ago, before brick-and-mortar casinos were banned in my city. I remember a time when I was winning pretty big for almost a week. The employees started looking at me suspiciously. As if another scammer had arrived, ready to rob the casino again. But that wasn't true. Why did this happen? I still don't understand it myself. Perhaps I was lucky in choosing the slot machines that were set up to pay out. But then things turned into big losses. It's not surprising. Something had been tweaked in the slots, and they stopped paying out anything at all.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Consistent win in betting is a myth because it's unachievable. It would be easily assumed by the bookmakers that any player that has such results is cheating either by using arbitrage or other forbidden betting systems that puts the user in profit at all times. Betting is designed for the bookies to be in profit, it takes someone that is disciplined and skilled to be able to minimize losses and be in profit at the long run

You are absolutely correct bud, winning consistently is an impossibility no matter how good and luck a gambler, one may want to say "what if he or she is always having consistent luck and as a result, Wins consistently?" well, luck being lucky consistently is also an impossibility because luck comes and goes, no one remains lucky forever, else, with how far gambling has come, we would have found someone or even more persons who have this consistent luck to win consistently from gambling..

What I believe every gambler is fighting for is to be in profit and not to have consistent winning, because even trading that is a skilled activity, traders still lose trade and money from time to time, how much more gambling where one has to rely on luck that is neither seen or felt to know when it's around and when it's not..
So, I believe what every gambler owe their self is to gamble responsibly and believe in their self that even if they are not winning game now and are probably in loss, they will win later, but we ought to already know that it's hard to be profitable from gambling even in the long term, only a few lucky person achieve this.

[Kelward]

Consistent win in betting is a myth because it's unachievable. It would be easily assumed by the bookmakers that any player that has such results is cheating either by using arbitrage or other forbidden betting systems that puts the user in profit at all times. Betting is designed for the bookies to be in profit, it takes someone that is disciplined and skilled to be able to minimize losses and be in profit at the long run

No matter how disciplined someone could be towards their bankroll they can't fight loses or stop losing money while gambling. In fact what someone could likely face more in gambling is lost, they would keep losing money in a regular basis since the casino has already programmed their system to favor them the most compared with the gamblers, that is why it's always recommended or advisable to gamble with what they can afford to lose while gambling and they should take gambling as the only means of entertainment and easing one's time.

It'll seem unnatural to the bookmakers to see a gambler who is on a winning streak for a reasonably long time, they must suspect that the gambler must somehow be manipulating their system. But it is very normal for them to see gamblers who are on a long time losing streak, they will feel that the system is working very fine. This is why gamblers should be wise and understand that gambling is not meant to favor the majority, only a few at a time that are lucky to win. Gambling has been designed that the casinos will be ahead of the gamblers in terms of profit and you can't blame them because they're running a business.