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I saw this post in X, where there's a fully autonomous AI model that trades. And each of them has a different performance; you can see history like previous positions, current positions, profits, losses, etc. nof1.ai is the website. It's like Arena of A.I. Models, where they fight each other to earn good profits. GPT 5 right now has already lost 65%, Deepseek is already up with 7.84%. So question is, do you think this is the future in trading bots or any kind of trading platform that does not need any human intervention? 
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October 22, 2025, 10:34:37 AM |
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So question is, do you think this is the future in trading bots or any kind of trading platform that does not need any human intervention?
AI models have been trading on the market without human intervention for a long time. You're just not aware of it
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Didn't know that this exist, I'm wondering what kind of strategy are they using and also I'm wondering if anyone can follow the trades automatically? I think this kind of bots could work but of course without human intervention, it might fail, after all it's human who designed the strategy and there's a lot of things that the bot can't take consider at the moment such as fundamental analysis, just like the recent crash after Trump renews his trade wars, the only advantage of this is we can trade 24/7 and I'm pretty sure there's a stop loss in these AIs.
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October 22, 2025, 11:04:27 AM |
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Yes, AI trading bots are the future of trading, which means that all the human day traders will have to find another job or side hustle. The AI trading revolution might take some time, since there are bots like ChatGPT, Grok and Claude, that are failing miserably at trading right now. AI will keep learning and improving, and I find it weird that the financial markets of the future would be just a bunch of bots buying and selling various assets and cryptocurrencies. We are entering the stage of postcapitalism, where everything in the economy and financial system will be governed by artificial intelligence.
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AI models have been trading on the market without human intervention for a long time. You're just not aware of it Exactly true. Ai trading isn't something new, through I prefer manual trading. Yeah, I'm old school like that 😏
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Didn't know that this exist, I'm wondering what kind of strategy are they using and also I'm wondering if anyone can follow the trades automatically? I think this kind of bots could work but of course without human intervention, it might fail, after all it's human who designed the strategy and there's a lot of things that the bot can't take consider at the moment such as fundamental analysis, just like the recent crash after Trump renews his trade wars, the only advantage of this is we can trade 24/7 and I'm pretty sure there's a stop loss in these AIs.
I think even exchanges are begins to actually implement them into their copy trading bots while this will give more accuracy in the aspects of analyzing the chat using any technical tools or means you expect it to, it will be able to perfect the trades in terms of other analysis like fundamentals or sentimental analysis, AI set ups are to me just like using an Indicator, even if AI are changing to accommodate new features or changes it can be flexible to change like the human. For me it should be best used to gather information and then the trader should use the information with his own strategy for confluence but should never actually depend alone on the strategy of the AI
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AI models have been trading on the market without human intervention for a long time. You're just not aware of it Exactly true. Ai trading isn't something new, through I prefer manual trading. Yeah, I'm old school like that 😏 Manual trading is still the best because you have full control on the amount of risk you are willing to take on your trade depending on the situation. Those 55% and 65% losses of some AI clearly that some model will give you a massive losses which you can avoid if you do manual trade and set a perimeter on how much you can lose on your trade. Although I’m not active on trading anymore due to I prefer spot holding but I will definitely not use AI on my trade.
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With a win rate at 5.7%, I guess it's safe to say for every call GPT 5 makes, just trade the opposite of it  Also notice how less trades equals less risk except for Qwen3 Max I would say AI models depend on the available data so they more or so depend on the technicals just like the humans. The only difference is probably automation and maybe emotions.
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With a win rate at 5.7%, I guess it's safe to say for every call GPT 5 makes, just trade the opposite of it  Also notice how less trades equals less risk except for Qwen3 Max I would say AI models depend on the available data so they more or so depend on the technicals just like the humans. The only difference is probably automation and maybe emotions. The difference in gains shown by the performance of the AI models used to demonstrate the experiment is a clear depiction of the fact that more work needs to be done as per development of these models to suit market conditions. It is also very evident that despite having same instructions as pre programmed, the models had various underlying logic and risk management strategies that lead to their very distinguished result.
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Coinglass added tracker on their platform that is from nof1.ai, the original website of this AI arena. https://www.coinglass.com/ai/hyperliquidI am not sure if the source of coinglass is direct from the nof1.ai website or in the hyperliquid, like every trades of these AI models are in hyperliquid and they are all public available. 
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65% is not something small and thats real life performance.
But to understand anything, you have to deploy 100000 GPT5, same number for DeepSeek and all the others.
And run them for one whole cycle of BTC.
Then you get a good result. That's my opinion and I think more traders need to think like this. Sample size matters. Duration matters.
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Didn't know that this exist, I'm wondering what kind of strategy are they using What's clear is that there are no manual strategies; AI does everything. This is where the art of formulating prompts comes into play. If necessary, you can force AI to do "extra" things. and also I'm wondering if anyone can follow the trades automatically?
Certain exchange VIP levels already provide API points for real-time monitoring and execution, and AI can help integrate with any supported platform, including Telegram. I think this kind of bots could work but of course without human intervention, it might fail I believe the execution is entirely handled by the bot. Meta Editor is the most flexible customization bot I know. Any intervention in the trading execution would invalidate the discipline of the bot's trading journal.
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With a win rate at 5.7%, I guess it's safe to say for every call GPT 5 makes, just trade the opposite of it  Also notice how less trades equals less risk except for Qwen3 Max I would say AI models depend on the available data so they more or so depend on the technicals just like the humans. The only difference is probably automation and maybe emotions. It is just sad to see chatgpt failing like that. I’m on the plus subscription and it makes me question the app completely. If it is falling behind of its competitors and the difference between them is so big, what else it has been doing wrong? What other wrong info it has been spreading? Or maybe chatgpt is just having back luck. Maybe whoever it is that running this benchmark should start another one. If chatgpt falls behind again, then it is official, gpt sucks.
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...GPT 5 right now has already lost 65%, Deepseek is already up with 7.84%.
Just yesterday, Deepseek had an unrealized profit equal to 50% of the deposit. But the problem with the settings of these ais is that they cannot prematurely close orders, or move the stop loss to the profit zone. I think that in the near future the developers will fix a similar problem, which will significantly affect their profitability.
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It is just sad to see chatgpt failing like that. I’m on the plus subscription and it makes me question the app completely. If it is falling behind of its competitors and the difference between them is so big, what else it has been doing wrong? What other wrong info it has been spreading? >>snip<<
24 hours later and the less known Chinese based AI's (DeepSeek chat and Qwen 3 Max) are kicking ass  Heavily profit driven and overhyped, ChatGPT and Gemini are getting a heavy beating. If this does not teach anyone, what's going on when companies decide to be so greedy and focus too much on profit, then they will never learn anything.
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October 23, 2025, 11:26:21 PM |
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So question is, do you think this is the future in trading bots or any kind of trading platform that does not need any human intervention?
While there have been bots already in the past but that still needs human intervention, with these bots that are on a trading race. I guess that they really are the future and can be a commitment to most people to have this real automation of making money. As this deepseek is from China, they are into the hurry of this gold rush and they're making all things possible. Soon, we might just see it in the news that this AI model has made their government millions and then billions from the liquidations that are happening.
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October 24, 2025, 04:55:03 AM |
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Chinese AI models is kicking ass but I wonder why AI services rarely provide these LLM despite being open source. Not to mention their token price is fraction of chat GPT and the like. I can see AI models trading is the future, maybe I should try it. If only there's some services out there that integrate with DEX and perpetual DEXs.
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October 24, 2025, 05:58:53 AM |
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--- So question is, do you think this is the future in trading bots or any kind of trading platform that does not need any human intervention?
Sorry if I'm dumb on this one, but what's the purpose of showing that one? Is that a sign that we can use these LLMs if we want to make profit in trading? I mean I saw that DeepSeek and Qwen 3 are in profit while the other 2 LLMs are at a loss, but what's the purpose of this website? Anyway, with AI rapidly evolving, I will not be surprised if there will be traders out there that will be profitable with the help of these LLMs. I will not be surprised if the number of profitable traders in the long run will decrease because of these tools. For me though, I still think that we need human intervention still. These tools can help us, but I still believe that we need to have the knowledge still when it comes to trading. I mean a newbie trader will not become profitable IMO despite using these kind of tools. It's a different result when it's a professional trader that's using it. TBH, I've used ChatGPT (free version) to make an analysis of a coin, but I already have plotted some trendlines, support and resistance and everything. To cut the story short, I did it with 5 coins, and made profit on 4 out of them. It would be a different result if I didn't put some drawings on my picture that I uploaded.
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October 24, 2025, 07:56:42 AM |
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bro this kinda wild! but in a nice way!! like seriously AI bots trading real money on their own sounds like a cool thing from a very near future that is to come!! honestly it is cool that there is a feature that can allow you as a trader to keep track their performance and see which ones are winning or losing. i think this kind of setup could definitely be part of the future of trading!! becuase everyone ones to win!! if the models keep improving and can manage risk well enough, we might see more platforms like this with little or no human input. but i guess it still needs careful monitoring so things don’t go wrong at some point.
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October 24, 2025, 03:50:31 PM |
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do you think this is the future in trading bots or any kind of trading platform that does not need any human intervention?
Basically I am not a fan of AI nor trading bots. Even I agree that there are 100% perfect or at least profit making bots are available to deploy, what would happen when more people compete each other with those bots? Either a new trader with different strategy will win or bot traders will make profits and losses in cycle like how we do usually, right? So, trading will remain profitable only when you stand unique and definitely not when you use what is available in amazon or github. So, I highly doubt about the future of trading without human participation. It is trading, when someone losses, you will profit but how long the opposite will take to quit or adapt the same strategy like you? So, all the hype on AI including in trading bots will burst very soon and human participation will shine at the end of the day for sure.
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