Trump's desperate destabilizing wars. Invading Venezuela. Gold up. Bitcoin down.

[Renampun]

So like I said, the US, in your POV may be wrong, but Maduro was not a good leader.

There is no justification for what Maduro did, he is not a good leader, he made many mistakes, but that does not mean that what Trump did was right either, what should happen is a massive revolution, like what happened in other countries, the Venezuelan people themselves should bring him down and judge him, not the president of another country who acts like he is a police officer of justice. I bet after this, the US and Maduro's people, who sold him out, will profit from all this, from the oil they will manage together.

[Alpha Marine]

Now, do you think that the removal of Maduro is for the good of Venezuelans? Are the US government saints? Trump has already said that US oil companies are moving in. We know how greedy and corrupt oil companies are.
 Time will tell if this move is beneficial to the people. What I know is that Libya became worse after Muammar Gaddafi was killed.  

Did you read my first post at all? Because if you did, you would have seen where I stated all these. Where did I call the US saint? Where did I say what they did was good? Or for the benefit of the people of Venezuela? My point to you was not to paint Maduro like a hero. He is not a hero; he was a bad leader and these are facts.

Western oil companies destroyed the African environment and subjected the people to poverty and hardship.

Please, we have to stop blaming the Western government and companies for the poor state of Africa. African governments cannot provide common good drinking water for their people and you want to blame the West for that? They can't get steady electricity and you want to blame the West?
N. Korea is one of the countries with the most propaganda and the citizens live is a poor state without any Western influence. Please, lets hold our leaders accountable and ask them to stop being corrupt and greedy. Im tried of seeing Africans complain about the West when you can see what your leaders are doing right in front of you.
Vietnam, a country that was in war with the west for about 20 years is now among the richest countries in Asia, Africa has no excuse.

[Die_empty]

Please, we have to stop blaming the Western government and companies for the poor state of Africa. African governments cannot provide common good drinking water for their people and you want to blame the West for that? They can't get steady electricity and you want to blame the West?
N. Korea is one of the countries with the most propaganda and the citizens live is a poor state without any Western influence. Please, lets hold our leaders accountable and ask them to stop being corrupt and greedy. Im tried of seeing Africans complain about the West when you can see what your leaders are doing right in front of you.
Vietnam, a country that was in war with the west for about 20 years is now among the richest countries in Asia, Africa has no excuse.

Where in my post did I blame the West for African's woes? I only highlighted that the oil companies that are coming to control Venezuela's oil fields are corrupt and don't care about the environment. They will prefer to bribe politicians than to clean the environment during spillages. We are aware that African leaders are devils who derive joy from seeing people suffer and die. I am in no wise blaming any country for Africa's underdevelopment

However, Maduro is a victim because he decided to trade with the enemies of the US. If he had decided to work with the US nobody would have talked about drugs or corruption. A man who is bold enough to choose is allies even when he is at risk of losing his position has guts.

[Davidloki]

What the US regime did in Venezuela recently (abducting their president) was part of the destabilization policy I described here. So far they have failed to take control of this South American country and its vast amount of resources including oil and gold since their Coup War failed. But the pressure is increasing and the international community has only condemned these actions and have not made any kind of meaningful move (not even sanctions! like they did for Russia).

The abduction of President Nicholas Maduro by the US government is very bad. The US government has always been the one that causes issues in other countries in other to steal from them. Thet might claim that their reason for the abduction of Maduro is related to narcotic claims,  but we know that the main reason is to have access on Venezuelan oil reserves,  which one of the highest in the world right now. Now that President Maduro has been abducted and he already appeared in US court, he will definitely be sentence and the US will definitely put someone loyal to them to run the affairs of Venezuela,  once they put that person in power, they automatically runs Venezuela and theu now have access to their oil. They did this to Libya, by taking out Mohammed Gaddafi, and since his death Libya has never been the same again.
Talking of sanctions like they did to Russia, I don't the international bodies will do anything like that to the US, become they all tend to be part of the plot. They will only condem it, but I tell you they will not try to sanctions the US.

[lixer]

This topic is not brand new like after Maduro was taken, it was obvious from months ago that USA wanted to take Venezuela and they did. Trump isn't a huge part of it I think, sure he is the president so he has some part in this, but I think it was just "rich friends" telling him how much they can make by taking the oil from there.

Plus, I know that people hate USA because of how they hurt other nations just to make some money, like invading Iraq because people from NOT IRAQ doing 9/11, weird and stupid moves. But to be fair, if nobody can stop them, they won't stop then.

[Taskford]

This topic is not brand new like after Maduro was taken, it was obvious from months ago that USA wanted to take Venezuela and they did. Trump isn't a huge part of it I think, sure he is the president so he has some part in this, but I think it was just "rich friends" telling him how much they can make by taking the oil from there.

Plus, I know that people hate USA because of how they hurt other nations just to make some money, like invading Iraq because people from NOT IRAQ doing 9/11, weird and stupid moves. But to be fair, if nobody can stop them, they won't stop then.

Maybe US policy is driven by some interest of what you called rich or maybe influential friends. But I think its not really simple for them to dictate Trump about what to do. The case happen in Venezuela is different since US is openly opposed on how Maduro's manage their country. They say that corruption, illegal drugs and the huge collapse of their economy is the reason why US do those actions. Oil is for sure part of their interest that's why US is eager to arrest the Venezuelan leader.

Iraq as example maybe have similarities but in official reports there are security concerns raised against them. That's why US take action to stop them.

Critics named US as imperialistic since they usually interfere on other countries affairs or issues. But there are also people especially those who support their action calling it as defense of democracy, that's why you can hear lots of mix opinions on recent actions done by US government

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Well, if anyone here can say with a straight face that they know what Trump's going to do next, they ought to take up a career at the poker table.  He seems nothing like the Trump of 2016--and in a very, very bad way.

But as far as those economic predictions go, the one thing I'm fairly sure of is that interest rates are going to drop.  Trump's been pushing for that to happen for some time now, and no doubt he'll eventually get his way.  IMO it's a dumb move seeing as inflation hasn't been tamed yet and all the markets are soaring.  I'm sure you all know that when it's cheaper to borrow money, margin trading increases and usually prices go up.  I'd say a stock market bubble of all bubbles is just waiting to be blown.

I'm flabbergasted by the precious metals markets.  My gut tells me that the gains that silver achieved can't be sustained, because charts that very quickly go vertical come down just as hard.

We should all just join hands in a prayer/drum circle and not watch the prices of anything while we attempt to use a form of telekinesis to open the door to the Phantom Zone and evacuate the White House.  Or maybe I'll just get in bed and sleep until the next fool politician is elected.  Can't wait!

[Creeper0]

Critics named US as imperialistic since they usually interfere on other countries affairs or issues. But there are also people especially those who support their action calling it as defense of democracy, that's why you can hear lots of mix opinions on recent actions done by US government

I must declare this move by the United States as imperialist. They have directly attacked the sovereignty of a country which must be considered part of the crime. In the current world, Donald Trump is the highest level dictator, who works for his own interests in the name of a non-terrorist campaign. The main target of attacking Venezuela is not drugs, but oil. If immoral events such as corruption and illegal drugs are really happening in Venezuela, then there are people of that country and political leaders of the opposition parties to protest against it. Directly intervening in a country is nothing more than a violation of international law, be it Trump or anyone else.

[Furball808]

So like I said, the US, in your POV may be wrong, but Maduro was not a good leader.

There is no justification for what Maduro did, he is not a good leader, he made many mistakes, but that does not mean that what Trump did was right either, what should happen is a massive revolution, like what happened in other countries, the Venezuelan people themselves should bring him down and judge him, not the president of another country who acts like he is a police officer of justice. I bet after this, the US and Maduro's people, who sold him out, will profit from all this, from the oil they will manage together.

We should expect a response from United Nations Council soon if there hasn’t been one yet. What Trump did was a complete bypass of international laws. The US had no jurisdiction over Maduro and it’s clear they arrested Maduro to seize Venezuela’s oil wealth. If there’s no consequences for USA, other countries may just seize leaders of other countries in disguise of taking out a bad leader but really stealing away wealth.

[jaberwock]

I must declare this move by the United States as imperialist. They have directly attacked the sovereignty of a country which must be considered part of the crime. In the current world, Donald Trump is the highest level dictator, who works for his own interests in the name of a non-terrorist campaign. The main target of attacking Venezuela is not drugs, but oil. If immoral events such as corruption and illegal drugs are really happening in Venezuela, then there are people of that country and political leaders of the opposition parties to protest against it. Directly intervening in a country is nothing more than a violation of international law, be it Trump or anyone else.

Most people are okay with this (I am not) because they did not attack a "nation", they attacked a president, and took him and that's it, they did not killed any civilians (or as far as I know, if they did, must be low number). Which is why this is different than what happened in Iraq, because in Iraq they just went in, and killed thousands of people, military or civilian didn't care, they just took over and destroyed everything on their path to oil.

In this one, it wasn't the case, they just took the president and left which is different. Plus the timing is different too, one took many years and they were there for over a decade whereas in this one they went in and out in few hours. While it is still wrong, it is not an attack on a "nation" as a whole.

[pooya87]

However, Maduro is a victim because he decided to trade with the enemies of the US. If he had decided to work with the US nobody would have talked about drugs or corruption. A man who is bold enough to choose is allies even when he is at risk of losing his position has guts.

You are making a wrong assumption here, the assumption that US wants to work with anyone. They categorize the world into two groups: clients and enemies. There is no third option, there are no allies, no trade partners, no friends,... You are either a client (aka a slave) or an enemy. And as they say over in the US "It may be dangerous to be US enemy, but to be US friend is fatal".

If they were worried about human rights and liberties and democracies and all that crap they keep repeating, their own governance wouldn't be a neo dictatorship and their closest allies clients wouldn't have been the biggest dictators on earth like the Saudis and the genocidal maniacs like the Zionists.

The Venezuelan government has made economic mistakes that have made things tough for the people but those mistakes were made because Venezuela has been under years of US sponsored economic terrorism. Otherwise don't the guys who only blame Maduro think if Venezuela as the country with literary largest oil reserves could freely sell its oil to anyone they wanted (like 5-10 million barrels per day), they would be able to fix their economy? So why couldn't they sell it all these years? The answer is US sanctions and the rule of Petrodollar that prevented any money to get to them even if they managed to sell any tiny amount of oil.

Next in line are Greenland and Canada...

[BALIK]

I must declare this move by the United States as imperialist. They have directly attacked the sovereignty of a country which must be considered part of the crime. In the current world, Donald Trump is the highest level dictator, who works for his own interests in the name of a non-terrorist campaign. The main target of attacking Venezuela is not drugs, but oil. If immoral events such as corruption and illegal drugs are really happening in Venezuela, then there are people of that country and political leaders of the opposition parties to protest against it. Directly intervening in a country is nothing more than a violation of international law, be it Trump or anyone else.

Most people are okay with this (I am not) because they did not attack a "nation", they attacked a president, and took him and that's it, they did not killed any civilians (or as far as I know, if they did, must be low number). Which is why this is different than what happened in Iraq, because in Iraq they just went in, and killed thousands of people, military or civilian didn't care, they just took over and destroyed everything on their path to oil.

In this one, it wasn't the case, they just took the president and left which is different. Plus the timing is different too, one took many years and they were there for over a decade whereas in this one they went in and out in few hours. While it is still wrong, it is not an attack on a "nation" as a whole.

That is not too difficult to understand, because the opposition leader, María Corina Machado is a close ally of the US.

The US goal is to interfere in Venezuelan politics and establish a puppet regime under its control. Therefore, attacking the entire territory of Venezuela at this time is unnecessary. However, I bet you that if they can't get her in power or gained complete control of Venezuela to carry out their plan to plunder its oil. A similar scenario or even a worse one than what they did to Iraq will unfold

Furthermore, arresting a country president and extraditing him to face impeachment is a reprehensible act. That is a serious violation of national sovereignty and human rights. Meanwhile, the US consistently declares to the world that it respects human rights and sovereignty and abides by international law. That is exactly the double standard of fascists. LOL

[ultrloa]

I must declare this move by the United States as imperialist. They have directly attacked the sovereignty of a country which must be considered part of the crime. In the current world, Donald Trump is the highest level dictator, who works for his own interests in the name of a non-terrorist campaign. The main target of attacking Venezuela is not drugs, but oil. If immoral events such as corruption and illegal drugs are really happening in Venezuela, then there are people of that country and political leaders of the opposition parties to protest against it. Directly intervening in a country is nothing more than a violation of international law, be it Trump or anyone else.

Most people are okay with this (I am not) because they did not attack a "nation", they attacked a president, and took him and that's it, they did not killed any civilians (or as far as I know, if they did, must be low number). Which is why this is different than what happened in Iraq, because in Iraq they just went in, and killed thousands of people, military or civilian didn't care, they just took over and destroyed everything on their path to oil.

In this one, it wasn't the case, they just took the president and left which is different. Plus the timing is different too, one took many years and they were there for over a decade whereas in this one they went in and out in few hours. While it is still wrong, it is not an attack on a "nation" as a whole.

That is not too difficult to understand, because the opposition leader, María Corina Machado is a close ally of the US.

The US goal is to interfere in Venezuelan politics and establish a puppet regime under its control. Therefore, attacking the entire territory of Venezuela at this time is unnecessary. However, I bet you that if they can't get her in power or gained complete control of Venezuela to carry out their plan to plunder its oil. A similar scenario or even a worse one than what they did to Iraq will unfold

Furthermore, arresting a country president and extraditing him to face impeachment is a reprehensible act. That is a serious violation of national sovereignty and human rights. Meanwhile, the US consistently declares to the world that it respects human rights and sovereignty and abides by international law. That is exactly the double standard of fascists. LOL

US had influence for pushing their influence especially on Latin America and its not secret to anyone that Maria Corina Machado is ally of US. But I don't see any statement regarding they want to install her on the set. Since as we can since Delcy Rodriguez has sworn then became their interim President, so those assumptions really don't have basis.

Also Maduro has been accused of corruption which is obviously we can see on current situation happening in Venezuela, human rights abuses and worse that drug trafficking issues. Some Venezuelans want that development since many of them says that the arrest of Maduro is sign of freedom for their country. But also there are some Venezuelans don't like it and its normal since not all will have share sentiments towards those issues happened in their country.

The question now is if Venezuela will really get their sovereignty and real progress or they remain unstable then worse their country will fail more.

[tygeade]

With ICE situation going on today, I am pretty sure that Trump must be burning up with fear on congress and senate elections as well. Venezuela was not for elections, it was to make sure after he leaves he still gets paid by the oil companies, not sure if oil companies will even care, they will stop paying him as soon as he loses power.

The fear was that if he keeps his power, then things will get worse, but with Venezuela, prices, ICE and many more, he rallied the leftists for election without a doubt. Unless something major changes, we will see him lose power on midterms. And when you do not hold congress and senate, the president has limited power. Lets hope democrats are finally picking someone decent for 2028 elections.

[trendcoin]

It is almost impossible not to agree with this article. Because the US, realizing that it cannot re-strengthen the dollar, has based its strategy on weakening other strengthening currencies, often through terrorism and destabilization.

They are determined to create chaos along trade routes, sometimes exploiting ethnic fault lines, sometimes religious divisions and sometimes different social tensions.

Afghan children fought heroically to avoid wearing American T-shirts, and when the US realized it couldn't maintain its presence there, it fled. However, as they fled, they calculated that internal turmoil would arise due to administrative weaknesses, so they left Afghanistan without taking their weapons. In Syria, they sent thousands of trucks of weapons to the PKK and YPG, and today they have left them there and departed the region. In recent days, the PKK and YPG were cleared out of Aleppo. In other words, their plans in Afghanistan and Syria did not yield positive results for them.

They do this because it is easier to use weapons in this part of the world than elsewhere, but they do so through proxy wars.  In other words, their own troops are not brave enough to fight. Where they cannot use weapons, they do the same thing through bureaucracy or street protests or through the media or through cultural and artistic activities.

The collapse of the dollar is an absolute end. They know this too. However, since fiat money is like a divine power that can create something from nothing, they do not want to give it up. The best they can do is to delay this absolute end a little longer, and they are doing everything they can to delay the absolute end.

[Minor Miner]

With ICE situation going on today, I am pretty sure that Trump must be burning up with fear on congress and senate elections as well. Venezuela was not for elections, it was to make sure after he leaves he still gets paid by the oil companies, not sure if oil companies will even care, they will stop paying him as soon as he loses power.

The fear was that if he keeps his power, then things will get worse, but with Venezuela, prices, ICE and many more, he rallied the leftists for election without a doubt. Unless something major changes, we will see him lose power on midterms. And when you do not hold congress and senate, the president has limited power. Lets hope democrats are finally picking someone decent for 2028 elections.

I believe that the Venezuela issue is not just about the election or Trump's personal interest, but a common issue for the US. The plan to invade Venezuela or the upcoming takeover of Greenland are not isolated act of Trump. This is a continuation of the US long-term geopolitical strategy and interests.

With the rise of BRICS and the fact that the US seems unable to compete directly with them. They had no choice but to abuse their power, despite international opposition, to prevent the rise of BRICS.

Regarding the midterm elections, I do not know what Trump will do to change the outcome, but according to the current data on Polymarket. As many as 79% believe that the Democratic Party will regain control of the House of Representatives.

[Muba20]

America always gives various messages to follow the rules, in reality it does not accept it itself. It will create rules for its own needs and break those rules if necessary. And all the countries that agree with their activities will be closed and those who oppose them will become enemies. If we examine it carefully, the result will be that America most of the time does not support strong and independent countries very much, especially those countries that are not under their control. They observe how those countries can be brought under their control. If economic sanctions can be imposed, they will use that to create pressure on that country and if that strategy does not work, they themselves will create a situation of war through a direct war or someone else on some issue. America starts a silent war and first puts various restrictions on that country. Sometimes from the dollar system and sometimes by stopping trade and putting pressure. In this way, destructive actions are carried out on the people of that country without using deadly weapons. Countries with small economies collapse due to these sanctions.

One of their most widely used strategies is to impose sanctions on the governments of enemy countries at the beginning. When the government fails to govern its country properly after receiving sanctions, that will serve as a big proof for them later. In the current situation, all the countries they have attacked have often been in the same situation.

To save those countries from such a situation, now considering the need for alliances like BRICS, encourage to focus on de-dollarization. Countries are increasingly interested in using Bitcoin so that no one can lead the world by expanding dominance in the future.

[WillyAp]

There is no justification for what Maduro did, he is not a good leader, he made many mistakes, but that does not mean that what Trump did was right either,

2 elections were ahem irregular to say the least.
Last one he left evidence.

The hit was a 5 in one,
Oil, minerals, Iran, China out of the picture, Russian weapons put into perspective.
Latest surely had some help as not many are able to use those. 50% of the forces was sent into vacation. 

 

[barbara44]

US had influence for pushing their influence especially on Latin America and its not secret to anyone that Maria Corina Machado is ally of US. But I don't see any statement regarding they want to install her on the set. Since as we can since Delcy Rodriguez has sworn then became their interim President, so those assumptions really don't have basis.

Also Maduro has been accused of corruption which is obviously we can see on current situation happening in Venezuela, human rights abuses and worse that drug trafficking issues. Some Venezuelans want that development since many of them says that the arrest of Maduro is sign of freedom for their country. But also there are some Venezuelans don't like it and its normal since not all will have share sentiments towards those issues happened in their country.

The question now is if Venezuela will really get their sovereignty and real progress or they remain unstable then worse their country will fail more.

I think they will not rush into it. Reality is that getting rid of a dictator is still a destabilizing act, while you hope for a better future, the first days are agony and chaos and nobody knows what's going to happen.

An interim is better, you let them rule for a while, and put the ship in the port before it sinks. After that, you make a democratic election where people vote and decide their own future once again, I know there was one, but you do it again, and that way you see who people want and get the new president that way.

[Satofan44]

Western oil companies destroyed the African environment and subjected the people to poverty and hardship.

Complete bullshit, were it not for the western world Africa would be still stuck in the stone age. Stop blaming others for your own failures.  

So like I said, the US, in your POV may be wrong, but Maduro was not a good leader.

There is no justification for what Maduro did, he is not a good leader, he made many mistakes, but that does not mean that what Trump did was right either, what should happen is a massive revolution, like what happened in other countries, the Venezuelan people themselves should bring him down and judge him, not the president of another country who acts like he is a police officer of justice. I bet after this, the US and Maduro's people, who sold him out, will profit from all this, from the oil they will manage together.

Wrong. These kinds of opinions are always hypocritical and wrong since you draw a subjective line at some random point at which you no longer tolerate what the current leader is doing and then agree to intervention. In the absence of a revolution, how far should we let the transgressions of bad actors go? You are making up arbitrary distinctions that are pointless. Most Venezuelan people are happy that Maduro is gone, and even this even does not guarantee that any significant or lasting change will happen in this country. This event is the alternative for a full scale invasion. I've said this somewhere before, you average people need to be careful what you are asking for because you might just get it. The world balance is thin. Wars could change from winning to speedy annihilation without significant restrictions, and it is going to become increasingly cheap and more favorable with the home population as fewer soldiers will need to be sent with the introduction of drones and other high tech warfare.

The situation with Venezuela is just the consequences of their own actions catching up to them, with a delay. Do not seize US stuff, do not mess with the US especially if you are a weak country like Venezuela. If Trump had not done it, some future president would have.
Too many generic and incorrect replies on the last pages here @pooya87. Let's go back to your core thesis here, the USA is trying to wage an energy war and destabilize the world. I'll take it. What is your alternative to an USA-led world, what do you think is going to happen?

For me it is becoming increasingly clear that no matter how bad the USA is, you do not have the faintest idea of what is it that you are asking for here. In the absence of the dominance of USA, you will not get a multi-polar world that you envision. It is most likely going to resemble a 1984-style big superpower blocks of countries. This means that on average, you will most likely both lose your country and your sovereignty. Is this what you want? Do not get me wrong, the USA deserves to collapse for many reasons. Starting from the abuses that it engages in (but others are not much better) to the insane money-printer. However, what is the alternative? Do you really think that there is a viable alternative that is better than what we have now? If so, go ahead and tell me what this alternative is. Please don't give me some Utopian world peace model, that is not going to happen within our lifetimes.