Trump's desperate destabilizing wars. Invading Venezuela. Gold up. Bitcoin down.

[bitmover]

Kidnapping Maduro and his wife is illegal. The US government champion talks of international law but they don't take accountability. Well, Trump can only do that to countries who doesn't possess nuclear weapons. And if Maduro was to step down, it should only be decided by the citizens of Venezuela. How can you say its Russia, I mean Russia who even sells oil and gas to all of Europe. 

What about everything maduro has done with the people in Venezuela? Is that legal?

He arrested, tortured and killed opposition, stole money from people, destroyed the country economy.

Talking about the "international law" only when to protect tyrant and dictators, and not to protect the people, is quite bizarre

[Satofan44]

Kidnapping Maduro and his wife is illegal. The US government champion talks of international law but they don't take accountability. Well, Trump can only do that to countries who doesn't possess nuclear weapons. And if Maduro was to step down, it should only be decided by the citizens of Venezuela. How can you say its Russia, I mean Russia who even sells oil and gas to all of Europe.  

What about everything maduro has done with the people in Venezuela? Is that legal?

He arrested, tortured and killed opposition, stole money from people, destroyed the country economy.

Talking about the "international law" only when to protect tyrant and dictators, and not to protect the people, is quite bizarre

He wrote a generic shitpost that has nothing to do with reality. Who, anyway, decides what constitutes international law and where did these concepts even come from? The USA. Anyway, international law is a dumb concept that is being mentioned often by those that are too cowardly to accept the reality in which we live in. You know, those kinds of people that also believe or claim that the government will "fix" something, whatever the topic is at hand. International law was never more than a superficial thing, and only applied where powers could come to an agreement or where others could be strong-armed to accept it. It had never any real usage other than that. If superpowers do not agree on something, they can refuse to follow through on these laws. You can see this biased double play with Russia and Israel. Israel practically committed a genocide (the exact definitions are meaningless and arbitrary), but what did this "international law" do?   Similarly, in the cases of dictators or narco-states like Venezuela international law is completely meaningless. Talking about the ability of its own population to remove a dictator is even dumber.

Therefore, no kidnapping occurred. Maduro was arrested on foreign soil. Yes, the USA can arrest you anywhere on the world. Whoever believes otherwise, you need to fucking grow up already. You are stuck in the mind of a 10 year old child. Don't play around as semantics or act as an amartass and bring concepts like forced abduction. Maduro was illegitimate and therefore not a head of state, because of his activities the whole country can be viewed as temporarily as illegitimate. As I said, the US can do this and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. Accept that you are weak, things are how they are.

[pooya87]

What about everything maduro has done with the people in Venezuela? Is that legal?

He arrested, tortured and killed opposition, stole money from people, destroyed the country economy.

Talking about the "international law" only when to protect tyrant and dictators, and not to protect the people, is quite bizarre

What you are saying here is called hypocrisy my friend. Specially considering that the situation is a lot worse in the USA than it was in Venezuela. A much worse dictatorship rules there that tortures and kills the opposition (like reporters who talked against the regime's status quo regarding the Ukraine situation who "got disappeared") or the lives of thousands of people who were destroyed just because they said "don't kill children in Gaza".


^^ These pictures are from USA where if anybody like the university students dare say "stop murdering children in Gaza" the US regime deploys the military and they first beat you, then take you by the hair dragging you to the station (if they haven't already shot you dead) and then kick you out of the university, shut down your bank accounts, fire you from your job,... and you'll have to live on the streets for the rest of your life as a bum or rot in a prison cell. All because you said "don't kill children and stop the genocide".

Not to mention the head of this regime is a known pedophile and a convicted felon according to the US regime's own Department of Justice and the FBI documents that were published from the Epstein criminal case! And it is not just the pedophile POTUS, it is practically everyone with power or money who is involved with Epstein and related crimes committed on that island.

Now you claim that the most corrupt regime on the planet did a good thing when they carried out a series of terrorist attacks in Venezuela killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure just because of a lie the pedophile POTUS told about narcotics that had already been debunked by the US regime's own organizations like DEA!

Finally I have to say that the worst part is that you are saying it now and after the US regime has already confessed that they did it only to take Venezuela oil and they have never given a shit about anything else.

[bitmover]

What you are saying here is called hypocrisy my friend. Specially considering that the situation is a lot worse in the USA than it was in Venezuela. A much worse dictatorship rules there that tortures and kills the opposition (like reporters who talked against the regime's status quo regarding the Ukraine situation who "got disappeared") or the lives of thousands of people who were destroyed just because they said "don't kill children in Gaza".

I am sorry but where are you from?
You are an inteligent guy, but I doubt you ever met a Venezuelan. You literally have no idea what is going on there.

People from Venezuela have been fleeing to USA and Brazil as refugees for decades.

If people had no human rights and it were a dictatorship in USA , I doubt people would flee to usa. Actually people would do the opposite: from usa to Venezuela.

Trump isn't a dictator. He was elected. Lost and came back.
Maduro and chaves are there for like 30 years. Nobody voted for them.

[pooya87]

What you are saying here is called hypocrisy my friend. Specially considering that the situation is a lot worse in the USA than it was in Venezuela. A much worse dictatorship rules there that tortures and kills the opposition (like reporters who talked against the regime's status quo regarding the Ukraine situation who "got disappeared") or the lives of thousands of people who were destroyed just because they said "don't kill children in Gaza".

I am sorry but where are you from?
You are an inteligent guy, but I doubt you ever met a Venezuelan. You literally have no idea what is going on there.

People from Venezuela have been fleeing to USA and Brazil as refugees for decades.

If people had no human rights and it were a dictatorship in USA , I doubt people would flee to usa. Actually people would do the opposite: from usa to Venezuela.

Trump isn't a dictator. He was elected. Lost and came back.
Maduro and chaves are there for like 30 years. Nobody voted for them.

We are not talking about Venezuela here, we are talking about US regime's destabilizing wars in order to take over natural resources in various countries, in a desperate attempt to keep their failing "empire" alive a little bit longer.
Whatever the situation is or was in Venezuela is an internal matter for the people of Venezuela not for third parties outside. And people migrated out because of the bad economy that was the result of decades of US sponsored economic terrorism (sanctions, blockades, espionage, sabotage,...). The only reason they would go to places like US is because in comparison to their own economy, the US economy is more stable with less inflation; otherwise nobody in their right mind goes to a place with the highest gun violence, extremely high cost of living, terrible healthcare, a culture of old immigrants hating new immigrants, and a lot more.

Tell me this. If the US regime is so worried about dictatorships, why are their main/strategic partners the actual dictators of this world? The most brutal ones like the Bin-somethings that are ruling over Arab lands and resources in the Arabian peninsula? You've probably heard of most of them like Bin Salman who slaughtered the Washington Post reporter, chopped him up into little pieces and dissolved him in acid bath to send a message to anyone who would oppose his authoritarian regime or even criticizes it. That's the biggest US regime's strategic partner and him and his tribe rule over Arabia and have changed the name to "Saudi Arabia".
Why isn't the US regime worried about these dictatorship then?
The answer is easy. The Bin-somethings in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar,... are slaves that run brutal dictatorships but they hand over the Arab resources to the US regime without any resistance whatsoever. So the US regime doesn't care at all about their dictatorships.

If Maduro had done the same, he would have been a referred to by the US regime as the democratically elected president of Venezuela!
And people of Venezuela? Nothing. They would have had much worse economy than they have today and wouldn't even have had the little infrastructure they already have today... kinda like people of Arabia where lots of them live in slums and in absolute poverty while the dictator sells over $2 billion oil daily then hands over all that money to the pedophile POTUS in his visit! That's trillions of dollars of people of Arabia that was given to Trump basically as ransom money by their dictator to ensure his own rule.
 

[MainIbem]

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I really don't understand what Trump did to you cause it's obvious that you recently can't have a normal discussion without mentioning Trump, the US regime or calling him a pedophile. I'm pleading on his behalf, pls leave Trump alone, i don't think he would've ruled again if he was guilty of being a pedo . However can you compare the economy of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain with that of Venezuela? Did the people you call slaves to the US regime enslave their citizens or made things difficult for them? Why ain't citizens of those countries protesting and calling for a regime change if their leaders are dictators or bad dictators, those are what you should think before spilling propaganda news here. Some of your points are valid but sometimes you reply out of emotions and hatred for Trump and the US.

[bitmover]

The only reason they would go to places like US is because in comparison to their own economy, the US economy is more stable with less inflation; otherwise nobody in their right mind goes to a place with the highest gun violence, extremely high cost of living, terrible healthcare, a culture of old immigrants hating new immigrants, and a lot more.

I don't think it is better to let people die and get murdered by a tyrant because that is  a "domestic matter". I will support anyone that removes a tyrant.

You are wrong about Venezuela.  It has much more gun violence than any country in the world, maybe even more than Ukraine.

USA is one of safests countries in the America (continent) when you talk about gun violence (USA has about 4 deaths every 100,000 people, brazil has 15, Venezuela has 44)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates
https://www.jacksoncountycombat.com/1113/Facts-Stats-Counties-With-Highest-Firear


Cost of living in Venezuela is also terrible, because people cant make money. An engineer there makes about 80-100 usd per month. I have worked with many of them, I know what I am talking about.

[Itz-prisigold]

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Did the people you call slaves to the US regime enslave their citizens or made things difficult for them? Why ain't citizens of those countries protesting and calling for a regime change if their leaders are dictators or bad dictators, those are what you should think before spilling propaganda news here. Some of your points are valid but sometimes you reply out of emotions and hatred for Trump and the US.

I don't think that It is always true to assume that if people are unhappy,  they will definitely come out and protest. In many countries,  there are huge risks that come with protesting, for example, governments can restrict public gatherings, use security forces, detain protest organizers,  it can also cost you your job or create fear through heavy crackdown. When people think that protests could cost them their freedoms and even their lives, people will stay quiet not because they are happy, but because they are scared,  so it's not as simple as the way you are making it sound.

Some governments also control media and limit freedom of speech, so even if people are unhappy,  they might not be able to communicate their frustrations to the outside world, when people see what happens to activists or vocal critics of the government, definitely these people won't speak out because they don't want bad things to happen to themselves or their families.

Because of such reasons,  people may choose to stay silent.  So I don't think an absence of mass protests automatically means that a government is trying or even that people are happy, but that's not the case.  It could be that the risks associated with protests are just too high.

[pooya87]

However can you compare the economy of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain with that of Venezuela? Did the people you call slaves to the US regime enslave their citizens or made things difficult for them? Why ain't citizens of those countries protesting and calling for a regime change if their leaders are dictators or bad dictators, those are what you should think before spilling propaganda news here.

Well the problem with most people who think I'm saying stuff out of anger or hatred or "spilling propaganda" is that they have never followed any kind of news whatsoever and have not read history at all! Most of them just follow a certain type of mouthpiece (eg. Foxnews, CNBC, BBC,...) and if that mouthpiece reports a certain thing, they will hear about it. If it doesn't, they never will.

You say why have they never revolted? They have! They've gotten brutally suppressed and in some cases mass slaughtered.

Lets start from a successful revolution; Iran pre-1979. Back then Iran was very similar to these Arab dictatorships. Had a Western backed dictator who was installed by the West (by England to be specific) and backed by the US (mostly after WW2 when they installed him) and was brutally slaughtering Iranian people who were protesting to suppress them and ensure his rule. US regime even sent his own forces to help the slaughter of Iranian people (namely the 4-star US Airforce general Robert Ernest Huyser). One of the biggest mass murders were on 17 Shahrivar 1357 (8 September 1978) which is known as The Black Friday. Although numbers vary, some say over 4000 people were massacred by the US backed dictator on that day (500 killed in the famous Jaleh Square alone).
Suffice it to say that on February 1979, Iranians succeeded (through blood, sweat and tears) to overthrow this US backed dictatorships and establish democracy free of Western infiltration and intervention.
[Also that little piece of history helps you understand why in the past 47 years there has been SO MUCH propaganda in Western media against Islamic Republic of Iran ever since 1979 revolution that overthrow the Western-backed dictatorship]

Things have been the same across the Arab world. They too have similar brutal dictators that are backed by the US regime that refers to them as "cows to be milked". People have revolted many times, but each time they have failed to overthrow the dictatorship and they've gotten slaughtered for it.

• The massacres of around 1000 people in Egypt back in 2011 who were protesting against General Mubarak, in 2013 against Morsi, the massacres on رابعة العدوية square, and of course military general El-Sisi who is known as a much worse dictator than Mubarak.
• In Bahrain (occupied Iranian Deylamun islands) the dictator usurper has always been oppressing the people and suppressing any kind of uprising. Back in 2011 was the largest one where Saudi and Emirati dictators even sent thousands of their forces to slaughter people who wanted the end of dictatorship. Ever since 2011, the Khalifat has arrested over 11000 citizens.
• In Saudi usurped Arabia the recent history is filled with such oppression and murder. Specially ever since US regime installed Bin-Salman there. These Wahhabis (Wahhabism is the cult that created al-Qaeda and ISIS) have been killing Muslims in the Arabian peninsula, but specifically been targeting Shia Muslims out of their hatred. They arrest them, cut their heads off, hang them for their religion, destroy their homes, ... Many Muslims were arrested by these Zionist-Muslims like the famous Sheikh Nimr Baqir al-Nimr who were arrested, tortured and finally executed by beheading because he was opposing the Saudi dictatorship. Something that started mass protests across Arabia and in other countries as well. The protesters in Arabia were attacked and killed by the Saudi regime. Over the past couple of decades the al-Saud tribe has also arrested or executed anybody who might have had enough charisma to start a movement against the al-Saud dictatorship and move Arabia toward democracy.
• Jordan has been filled with these little protests where people call for political reform and end of corruption. Each time they are suppressed by the dictator. The Zionist king Abdullah II has been ruling with an iron fist. What's even more interesting in case of Jordan is that many of the recent protests in the past 2-3 years were against the Zionist regime occupying Palestine and the ongoing genocide there which the Zionist King Abdullah II has brutally attacked and silenced!!!

... and so on...
You see, there has been many "revolution attempts" in the past years against these dictatorship where the people tried to overthrow them and establish a more fair system but they have all failed... so far.

[FanEagle]

Americans, specially the ones who support Trump, will always see themselves above everyone else, so you have no chance getting through them, either they will keep on denying, or they will ignore and move on, but they will not be convinced even when proof is shown.

His contribution to the topic about even Americans being attacked and lately even killed by trumps gestapo, is the fact that it's a "domestic problem" and you think you can actually convince someone like that to change their views? Of course not, and this is not going to be easy to hear by any American, but everyone wants to live there, because you are attacking all kinds of third world nations and destabilizing them so they come to you instead.

Just like how Europe has a lot of middle east and African immigrants, because they attacked those places and made it worse. Let every nation be themselves so they do not have to come to you to keep on living.

[colinistheman]

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I really don't understand what Trump did to you cause it's obvious that you recently can't have a normal discussion without mentioning Trump, the US regime or calling him a pedophile. I'm pleading on his behalf, pls leave Trump alone, i don't think he would've ruled again if he was guilty of being a pedo . However can you compare the economy of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain with that of Venezuela? Did the people you call slaves to the US regime enslave their citizens or made things difficult for them? Why ain't citizens of those countries protesting and calling for a regime change if their leaders are dictators or bad dictators, those are what you should think before spilling propaganda news here. Some of your points are valid but sometimes you reply out of emotions and hatred for Trump and the US.

Are you familiar with Epstein files? If I remember correctly, according to some reports, Trump was mentioned 38,000 in the released documents. Additionally, there are allegations that the DOJ deliberately retained or removed certain pages related to Trump. If Trump is innocent, why did they do this and why is his name mentioned so frequently in the Epstein files?

Regarding the American regime and the crimes they have committed against the world. Its no longer a secret, and I do not think there's anyone left who does not know about it.
Are you from a country that is an ally of the US? And your government is colluding with the US to bully the whole world, and that is why you feel grateful to Trump and US?

https://newrepublic.com/post/206023/how-often-donald-trump-mentioned-epstein-files

[Satofan44]

Are you familiar with Epstein files? If I remember correctly, according to some reports, Trump was mentioned 38,000 in the released documents. Additionally, there are allegations that the DOJ deliberately retained or removed certain pages related to Trump. If Trump is innocent, why did they do this and why is his name mentioned so frequently in the Epstein files?

Come on, that is not proof of anything and it is just pure speculation. Why was anyone mentioned a lot of times in those files? A very large number of people were, Epstein was everywhere. They were known to have a friendship in the earlier years that turned sour, so definitely he had to be mentioned there many times. If he was guilty of anything serious, why didn't Democrats release it since they have been sitting on the files for 4 years? You get distracted easily by these manipulations. They tried to impeach and sue this man to the ground in every possible way, but having proof that he committed serious pedophilia crimes they just sat there and did nothing? That does not make any sense. If there was proof, they would have destroyed him during Biden's term and he would have never become the next president. Also, it was Trump that mentioned in public long before Epstein got arrested that very bad things are happening around him and that's why he distanced himself. We are talking about a much younger Trump, who would never say anything like that if he was guilty at all.

Regarding the American regime and the crimes they have committed against the world. Its no longer a secret, and I do not think there's anyone left who does not know about it.
Are you from a country that is an ally of the US? And your government is colluding with the US to bully the whole world, and that is why you feel grateful to Trump and US?

What crimes? They have done a lot of things that are wrong, but they have done so much more good than you could count. As some people here refuse to admit, the future will be a nightmare if the US stops being such a power. Most of your countries will be conquered by other superpowers and you will have no identity. You will be forced to drop who you were in 1984 style or you will be exterminated in ways that the Nazi operation will look like child's play. This is the future that you want? All evidence shows that a multipolar world is much worse, much destructive and fuels endless massive wars.