Expected gain or expected loss?

[dollyamo]

You are correct, most people aim at how much they can win, not what they are ready to lose. Though in reality, managing losses is much more important. Winning is not assured, but losing is sure part of a game, so managing that aspect keeps you in it longer.
Expected gain sounds exciting, yet expected loss is what determines survival. When you can limit your losses and protect your bankroll, you will definitely have another shot at winning. In brief, smart gamblers aim on staying in the gae at first, then pursue gain secondly.

Like everyone else, we focus on the optimistic side of winning, not the pessimistic side of losing.
I would say that it is normal to think like this, thinking badly sometimes almost seems to attract bad luck in some ways, I don't know if you think like me

[imthegreat]

You are correct, most people aim at how much they can win, not what they are ready to lose. Though in reality, managing losses is much more important. Winning is not assured, but losing is sure part of a game, so managing that aspect keeps you in it longer.
Expected gain sounds exciting, yet expected loss is what determines survival. When you can limit your losses and protect your bankroll, you will definitely have another shot at winning. In brief, smart gamblers aim on staying in the gae at first, then pursue gain secondly.

As a gambler, I fully agree with you that risk management is essential. However, I'm convinced that even with strict control, daily gambling poses enormous risks for the weak-willed. Casinos persistently offer bonuses in an attempt to lure players back, and psychological addictions develop quickly. My experience suggests that constant exposure to gambling can subtly undermine self-control, even in the strongest players.
Therefore, it's not just the bet size that's crucial, but also strictly limiting the frequency of play to maintain a clear mind.

[xenomorfo]

Settings a bankroll is the key ultimate to become a successful gambler without bankroll, all you will be experiencing will be losses because you will not be able to give an account of the actual amount you will be spending monthly.
Once your bankroll is exhausted either for the week or month, just quit .
As a gambler, you are expected to experience loss, but when the losses supercede your actual bankroll, then you have to check yourself and retrace your step, winning comes at when it will come, you don't fight for it, if not you incure more losses.

Oh, i didn't think about that. So you're saying that to become a professional player, say a poker player, you have to make a list of your income and expenses to understand where you are at?
I don't know, i am not very convinced by it, why should it help me play better?

[leonair]

Settings a bankroll is the key ultimate to become a successful gambler without bankroll, all you will be experiencing will be losses because you will not be able to give an account of the actual amount you will be spending monthly.
Once your bankroll is exhausted either for the week or month, just quit .
As a gambler, you are expected to experience loss, but when the losses supercede your actual bankroll, then you have to check yourself and retrace your step, winning comes at when it will come, you don't fight for it, if not you incure more losses.

Oh, i didn't think about that. So you're saying that to become a professional player, say a poker player, you have to make a list of your income and expenses to understand where you are at?
I don't know, i am not very convinced by it, why should it help me play better?

Poker is not like any other ordinary gambling game. And not all platforms provide poker games. The advantage is that it is a logical game which is currently very popular in this forum as tournaments. But while playing other casino games you will gradually get very excited and if you are serious about gambling you will not understand when your bankroll is over and whether you should deposit there again which is why you will deposit frequently and continue gambling to win big. So of course a limited bankroll is very important for playing casino games. And knowing your limits is also very important

[Wakate]

You are correct, most people aim at how much they can win, not what they are ready to lose. Though in reality, managing losses is much more important. Winning is not assured, but losing is sure part of a game, so managing that aspect keeps you in it longer.
Expected gain sounds exciting, yet expected loss is what determines survival. When you can limit your losses and protect your bankroll, you will definitely have another shot at winning. In brief, smart gamblers aim on staying in the gae at first, then pursue gain secondly.

Winning is not guaranteed as a gambler and that is why we need to make moves that will help us make money from betting. Those that think that when they don't make profit is the right time for them to chase loses, that alone can lead to problems that can cause mental challenges.

I am not ready to find myself in any situation that will affect my mental health, so when I lose bet I take a leave and cool my head trying to recover from my loses no matter how small it could.

[Yablee0]

Honestly, most of us think more about how much we can win, right? We plan the payout, imagine the run, and dream about hitting that one big bet. But not a lot of people actually think about the amount they’re fine losing.For me, that part matters more, especially if you’re betting long-term. If you can manage your losses, you’ll last longer. The wins will eventually come, but if your bankroll’s gone early, that’s it, no next chance no comeback.

So I’m wondering, which side do you guys think is more important? The expected profit or the expected loss?

Gambling is a two sided game, it's either you win or you lose that's how the game is, you don't need to be worked up  each time you lose because that's one of those things that spice up the whole gambling experience. Everybody desires winning always but it can't just work out that way because the both sides need to be balanced. However, each times we lose in gambling it enables us to be more conscious and be  aware of the risk involved in it therefore make us to be more sensitive in managing our bankroll properly.

[Ojinga]

Honestly, most of us think more about how much we can win, right? We plan the payout, imagine the run, and dream about hitting that one big bet. But not a lot of people actually think about the amount they’re fine losing.For me, that part matters more, especially if you’re betting long-term. If you can manage your losses, you’ll last longer. The wins will eventually come, but if your bankroll’s gone early, that’s it, no next chance no comeback.

So I’m wondering, which side do you guys think is more important? The expected profit or the expected loss?

No one plans death, atleast hoping for it but everyone takes their time to plan how beautiful they want their future  and sake also applies to gambling in this case because as a gambler, we already know that is worthier we win or we lose but no one wants to expect the losses but rather we all are focused on winnings and for some, they already plan what to do with their winnings when they come so I will tell you that, it is more important to make plan out winning rather than expecting a loss and no man in his right senses gambles with expectations of making loss but rather hope of having a win.

[xenomorfo]

Poker is not like any other ordinary gambling game. And not all platforms provide poker games. The advantage is that it is a logical game which is currently very popular in this forum as tournaments. But while playing other casino games you will gradually get very excited and if you are serious about gambling you will not understand when your bankroll is over and whether you should deposit there again which is why you will deposit frequently and continue gambling to win big. So of course a limited bankroll is very important for playing casino games. And knowing your limits is also very important

Yes, i know, it's a game where reasoning, patience, and memory count?much more than in games like Briscola or Scopa.
I really like it when played in company obviously, online i find it very boring, i don't see the emotions and i don't see the faces of the people

[nara1892]

Honestly, most of us think more about how much we can win, right? We plan the payout, imagine the run, and dream about hitting that one big bet. But not a lot of people actually think about the amount they’re fine losing.For me, that part matters more, especially if you’re betting long-term. If you can manage your losses, you’ll last longer. The wins will eventually come, but if your bankroll’s gone early, that’s it, no next chance no comeback.

So I’m wondering, which side do you guys think is more important? The expected profit or the expected loss?

Gambling is a two sided game, it's either you win or you lose that's how the game is, you don't need to be worked up  each time you lose because that's one of those things that spice up the whole gambling experience. Everybody desires winning always but it can't just work out that way because the both sides need to be balanced. However, each times we lose in gambling it enables us to be more conscious and be  aware of the risk involved in it therefore make us to be more sensitive in managing our bankroll properly.

In fact, all gamblers know and are aware that they can lose in gambling, but often when they do, they find it difficult to accept the reality and end up taking various uncontrolled actions driven by emotions.

This means that gamblers don't truly acknowledge that gambling isn't just about winning, but that losing is also part of the game. I also believe that one reason why gamblers get angry and emotional when they lose, even though they knew from the start that losing was part of the game, is because they are too focused on winning, such as having high hopes. When their hopes aren't met, they become emotional and continue playing.

[summonerrk]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

[Betwrong]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

Exactly. Because wining is an integral part of the fun, innit? We have to expect losses and keep track of them during our gambling session in order to go over what can afford to lose, but, of course, without expecting a win, we wouldn't play at all. I personally don't expect losing all my balance because it is often 10 times bigger than what I can easily afford to lose. Normally I allocate a small part and then stop after losing it.

[Orpichukwu]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

There is always hope for winning. If a gambler says they don't expect to win and they just gamble because they want to have fun, then I will say they are not only lying to those they voice that out to, but they are also lying to themselves. If it's just for fun and the gambler doesn't expect to win, then they can go with playing on a demo account or whatever gaming experience that won't require the person to spend money.

[bubilas]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

There is always hope for winning. If a gambler says they don't expect to win and they just gamble because they want to have fun, then I will say they are not only lying to those they voice that out to, but they are also lying to themselves. If it's just for fun and the gambler doesn't expect to win, then they can go with playing on a demo account or whatever gaming experience that won't require the person to spend money.

Absolutely right, and it's a great way for every gambler to determine their true motivations for gambling. But no one wants to play on a demo account; everyone says it's boring. Incidentally, casinos are great at blurring the line between a demo account and a regular real-money game. Casinos host competitions where gamblers compete in multipliers. This is an ingenious way for casinos to lure players away from demo accounts and into playing for real money.

[junder]

I don't think anyone would gamble expecting to lose, that's not the goal of gamblers.
I think it's clear that many people gamble hoping for a profit, and those who become addicted do so because they're chasing uncertain returns. However, instead of pursuing profits, many gamblers actually end up making their situation worse. Expecting a profit in gambling isn't necessary, as I believe profits will be achieved if we're lucky enough. Furthermore, chasing profits will only lead to bad outcomes. We're lucky if we win, but we only experience the bitterness of losing.

[masulum]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

yah, those who gamble for fun, also have a hope to win even just a small, and more for those who addicted to gambling, they hope to win more than just the richest gamble, because the are not just losing in gambling but also losing in control for him self. I completely agree that nothing is 100% fun about "burning money away" when gambling. If they don't expect to win, they can use their money to give a gifts on TikTok and other Live Stream social media platforms. That's what fun is all about, no hope for a return completely.

[Ricardo11]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

yah, those who gamble for fun, also have a hope to win even just a small, and more for those who addicted to gambling, they hope to win more than just the richest gamble, because the are not just losing in gambling but also losing in control for him self. I completely agree that nothing is 100% fun about "burning money away" when gambling. If they don't expect to win, they can use their money to give a gifts on TikTok and other Live Stream social media platforms. That's what fun is all about, no hope for a return completely.

Everyone has the hope of winning, everyone who gambles is gambling to win, but the key here is to control yourself.
If you can gamble in any way that you can, within your financial limits, then it will not be harmful, because the main damage begins only with uncontrolled activity.
Allocate a certain amount of money that you will lose, and from that money you can pray to win or gamble aggressively in any way, that is not matter.
However, you must stop gambling immediately when that money runs out, this is self-control and this is the most correct way to gamble, stopping is the real victory.

[rakebit]

Expected gain or loss depends on long-term math, every bet carries a built-in house edge, so the “expected” result is usually a slow loss over time. Short-term variance can still bring wins, but consistency comes from managing stake size and avoiding emotional bets.

Do you track your sessions to see if variance matches your bankroll plan?

[Dickiy]

If a gambler doesn't expect to win, why would they even gamble or bet? There's an answer to this question: This person will gamble for fun, but we can't completely abandon the hope of winning, because we all need to make purchases and want to improve our lives. And those who become addicted increasingly believe in this chance and forget about the fun of gambling. And this is the only correct approach.

There is always hope for winning. If a gambler says they don't expect to win and they just gamble because they want to have fun, then I will say they are not only lying to those they voice that out to, but they are also lying to themselves. If it's just for fun and the gambler doesn't expect to win, then they can go with playing on a demo account or whatever gaming experience that won't require the person to spend money.

Okay, what you said makes sense. I agree with your opinion that gambling isn't actually done solely for entertainment, but rather to make money. As you said, if they're gambling purely for entertainment, then a demo account could be an option.

Honestly, I'm not being hypocritical; I sometimes gamble for money, but the difference is that I gamble with an amount I can afford to lose.

This means that when I win, I'm very happy, but if I lose, it doesn't matter. In my opinion, the mistake is placing hope in winning but not being prepared to accept defeat.

[Orpichukwu]

There is always hope for winning. If a gambler says they don't expect to win and they just gamble because they want to have fun, then I will say they are not only lying to those they voice that out to, but they are also lying to themselves. If it's just for fun and the gambler doesn't expect to win, then they can go with playing on a demo account or whatever gaming experience that won't require the person to spend money.

Honestly, I'm not being hypocritical; I sometimes gamble for money, but the difference is that I gamble with an amount I can afford to lose.

This means that when I win, I'm very happy, but if I lose, it doesn't matter. In my opinion, the mistake is placing hope in winning but not being prepared to accept defeat.

I'm glad you are able to get my point. It's not like we should not gamble with money if we want fun, but adding money means we have hope to win in return. Where it gets all out of line is gambling with an amount which the gambler can't afford to lose; then they are gambling for profit majorly, which could be the only reason why they allow their greed to determine the weight of their bet.

[ASloveapg]

There is always hope for winning. If a gambler says they don't expect to win and they just gamble because they want to have fun, then I will say they are not only lying to those they voice that out to, but they are also lying to themselves. If it's just for fun and the gambler doesn't expect to win, then they can go with playing on a demo account or whatever gaming experience that won't require the person to spend money.

Honestly, I'm not being hypocritical; I sometimes gamble for money, but the difference is that I gamble with an amount I can afford to lose.

This means that when I win, I'm very happy, but if I lose, it doesn't matter. In my opinion, the mistake is placing hope in winning but not being prepared to accept defeat.

I'm glad you are able to get my point. It's not like we should not gamble with money if we want fun, but adding money means we have hope to win in return. Where it gets all out of line is gambling with an amount which the gambler can't afford to lose; then they are gambling for profit majorly, which could be the only reason why they allow their greed to determine the weight of their bet.

And those who gamble only for profit often face more losses. If an investor cannot stop expecting success from gambling, then it is very dangerous for him, because due to this expectation he will lose his control, where maintaining one's self-control is more important than winning or losing in gambling, but if one does not maintain it, then it will definitely bring moral situation for him.