thegrail.exchange debt $40,000! Please be careful!

[grodriguez3978]

RU

Toпик: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5504246

У oбмeннoгo пyнктa ecть финaнcoвoe oбязaтeльcтвo.

Mecяц нaзaд пepeд тeм кaк cдeлaть oбмeн, cкинyл ETH aдpec для чeкa AML
Oпepaтop пoдтвepдил чтo ypoвeнь pиcкa для пpoвeдeния oбмeнa ДOПУCTИM, мoжнo oтпpaвлять.

Coвepшили oбмeн нa 1.5 ETH, вcё пpoшлo ycпeшнo. Пocлe этoгo я oпять yтoчнил пpo ypoвeнь AML, мeня зaвepили чтo вcё oк.

Цитaтa из лoгoв
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"Дoгoвopимcя чтo зa блoки нa вaшeй cтopoнe, co cтopoны биpж и тд и тп, oтвeтcтвeннocть нa Bac, oк?"
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Oпepaтop: Bce имeннo тaк.
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Пocлe этoгo я coвepшил oбмeн c (ЭTOГO ЖE КOШEЛЬКA) нa cyммy 10 ETH - (40000 USD)

Oпepaтop cooбщил чтo пoлyчили лoк нa биpжe.

"Bce AML pиcки, кaк cooбщaлocь paнee бepeм нa ceбя, бeз иcключeний.
Baши зaявки бyдyт выплaчeны нa 100%"

"этo нe зaймeт бoлee 48 чacoв."
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Boт yжe пpoшeл мecяц, кopмят зaвтpaкaми.

Oни ceйчac бyдyт гoвopить чтo пoлyчили лoк, иx cpeдcтвa тaк жe зaмopoжeны, мeня пo cyти этo нe вoлнyeт, y мeня дoгoвopeннocть c oбмeнным пyнктoм, a нe c биpжeй. To чтo иx зaблoкиpoвaли этo yжe нe мoи пpoблeмы, пycть зaкpывaют зaявкy из cвoиx дeнeг.

Пpoшy пpиocтaнoвить paбoтy oбмeннoгo пyнктa, дo иcпoлнeния cвoиx финaнcoвыx oбязaтeльcтв.


ENG

Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5504246

The exchange has a financial obligation.

A month ago, before making the exchange, I sent the ETH address for the AML check.
The operator confirmed that the risk level for the exchange was ACCEPTABLE and that I could send it.

We made the exchange for 1.5 ETH, and everything went smoothly. After that, I clarified the AML level again, and I was assured that everything was OK.

Quote from the logs
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“Let's agree that you are responsible for the blocks on your side, on the side of exchanges, etc., OK?”
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Operator: That's right.
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After that, I made an exchange from (THE SAME WALLET) for 10 ETH - (40,000 USD).

The operator reported that they had received a lock on the exchange.

"As previously reported, we assume all AML risks, without exception.
Your requests will be paid in full."

“It will not take more than 48 hours.”
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A month has already passed, and they are feeding me breakfast.

They
 will now say that they have received a lock, their funds are also frozen,
but I don't really care, I have an agreement with the exchange office, not
 with the exchange. The fact that they have been blocked is no longer my problem; let them
close the request with their own money.

I request that the exchange office suspend its operations until its financial obligations have been fulfilled.

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[logfiles]

ENG

Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5504246

The exchange has a financial obligation.

A month ago, before making the exchange, I sent the ETH address for the AML check.
The operator confirmed that the risk level for the exchange was ACCEPTABLE and that I could send it.

We made the exchange for 1.5 ETH, and everything went smoothly. After that, I clarified the AML level again, and I was assured that everything was OK.

Quote from the logs
----------
“Let's agree that you are responsible for the blocks on your side, on the side of exchanges, etc., OK?”
--
Operator: That's right.
----------

After that, I made an exchange from (THE SAME WALLET) for 10 ETH - (40,000 USD).

The operator reported that they had received a lock on the exchange.

"As previously reported, we assume all AML risks, without exception.
Your requests will be paid in full."

“It will not take more than 48 hours.”
---------

A month has already passed, and they are feeding me breakfast.

They
 will now say that they have received a lock, their funds are also frozen,
but I don't really care, I have an agreement with the exchange office, not
 with the exchange. The fact that they have been blocked is no longer my problem; let them
close the request with their own money.

I request that the exchange office suspend its operations until its financial obligations have been fulfilled.

Sorry about happened. Have they released your funds yet after the 48 hours?
If not, have you considered making a complaint on bestchange ---> https://www.bestchange.com/thegrail-exchanger.html. I see they have only positive feedback on their profile

[Mabebe]

I don’t know more about this exchange you mentioned above as it seems to be my first time of hearing about this exchange. My interest is that after you sent 1.5Eth to exchange it was accepted and you gained back access to it in whatever currency you may want back, why didn’t you go the same way gradually to boost the trust than going all in one just to make sure you exchanged all at a go
. To me it doesn’t make sense that way because one thing for sure is that there would always be an excuse from these site and since you don’t trust that much you wouldn’t had locked down your 10eth there.

[albon]

I'm sorry to hear about the bad experience you had with this exchange, which is only 1 year and 5 months old.

I hope you can support your case with sufficient evidence, such as Proof of Payment and PM/Chat Logs.

You can use the Scam Report Format, and upload any screenshots through talkimg.com.
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Since the risk level was acceptable in the wallet during the first transaction and the process went smoothly, why did the problem occur the second transaction, even though you used the same wallet and the only difference being the larger amount?

If they promised to pay the full amount within 48 hours, what justifies for such a long and ongoing delay?

No one here has the authority to suspend this exchange, but you can post your complaint with evidence on popular review sites and related communities and this maybe help put pressure on them or allow someone to mediate and assist in resolving your issue with this unknown exchange.