Normalcy finally returning in Gaza, who deserve the peace medal?

[Mophymac]

When P Trump says if  he eventually end the war in the middle east which by statistic has claimed so many Palestine and Israeli lives for the past two years plus, a Nobel peace prize should be given to him. so many world leaders were against it. some claim peace prize isn't bully to get. what then is noble peace prize if not for making peace. the man has kept to his word. DO you think Trump should be given a Nobel peace prize for Gaza peace deal?

[franky1]

honestly, its too early to tell about normality "normalcy" in gaza

1. hamas is still stealing FREE aid and then selling it at guarded markets
2. hamas execute and paralyse PALESTINIANS that take aid without paying hamas
3. hamas never wanted to run municipal/public services of a government but wanted to continue operating as commissioned army, and they still do/are
4. hamas are still hiring, coercing blackmailing PALESTINIANS into becoming pawns and martyrs for their cause in a nasty recruitment method
5. hamas still 'technically' pretending to operate as government(for lawfare protections) are not doing the government duties of paying social welfare payments

but with that said "trump" mediating between hamas and isreal to get both sides to set new defence borders such as the isreali 'yellow line' has kept battles to being defensive on isreals part and brought a temporary sense of calmer skirmishes compared to the first 2 years

however hamas are really trying to test boundaries, patience, limits and loopholes of even just the first phase of this current process.. so too soon to call it 'peace'

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as for other things, if "trump" didnt sort iran out, things would have been worse. if "trump" didnt sort out the india/pakistan drama things would have been worse

now lets deal with my quotationed "trump"
though trump gave the order for his cabinet/negotiators to start talking to many rivalling parties. most of the idea's of what is negotiable, what trades can be made, the legal wording of peace, ceasefire, trade deals were not solely from trumps head, but were founded by many of his cabinet advisors advising trump of what is possible or just going ahead of offering it and then updating trump. so technically its trumps administration or america2025 that deserves recognition of causing peace in multiple countries

personally. i think not trump, but the actual air pilot that sent the bomb perfectly down the airshaft/chimney to completely destroy irans nuke capability deserves better recognition of the iran ordeal, compared to trump. the cabinet member that came up with the idea of using tariffs as a tool between pakistan/india deserves recognition.

remember how trump was in his first administration(offscript waffling) vs this one and realise trump has only had better successes this term due to his cabinet/advisors/speechwriters.

as for a peaceprize this year.. too early. lets see how the next couple years play out once many more countries sign accords/treaties related to peace instead of false/exaggerated claims of genocides and atrocities on both sides of world rivals.

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as for the accusations of "genocide by isreal" the so called 67k+ deaths over the 2 years are alot of hamas troops, higher ranks, leaders and subcontracted jihadi's/ militia groups.. but also that number is not all "combatant" deaths. there is a small amount that is also:
civilian collateral damage (non intentional targets)
AND a more significant number of non combatants which are:
civilian death due to disease, birth defects and disability caused by non war related incidents

yep the (hamas) health ministry in gaza have added civilians into the death toll that have died due to disease and disability and other natural causes/moralities purely because they want to say their hamas lead hospitals never received enough medical supplies to prolong peoples lives.
so where this is then converted into myth and propaganda that israel has been purposefully targeting "women and children" with weaponry, BUT most of the "women and children" figures in that number are of disability and disease due to non weapon related issues.
and a significant number of the "women and children" who died due to weapons are majority caused by hamas coercing families including hamas's own families to stay within target area's to become martyrs, even when israel have been offering warnings and directions to safe zones

reality and facts are coming out that children/women born with disabilities whom die due to their birth defects are being wrongly classified as part of the 67k+ death attributed to israel, even though the women and children may have lived better lives if hamas were not so martyr creating war criminals themselves.
if hamas came to peace agreements and didnt break deals so much, the region would have had better supplies and infrastructure... but because hamas took over hospitals to use as their military operations bases, stole/withheld/extort aid from palestinians by wanting martyrs or revenue to continue hamas actions of atrocities..  it has been hamas that have caused issues for palestinians free access to aid, which has ended up with life shortening circumstances for people with diseases and disabilities, which hamas put the blame on israel

so again until hamas are gone/over/dealt with its too early to declare true peace

it is especially showing more clearly now that israel have pulled back, as hamas can no longer blame israel, but palestinians are still being subjected to oppression, extortion, fear, harm and executions by hamas

[JeromeTash]

1. Send arms to Israel that are used to Obliterate civilians from almost all neighboring countries
2. Support Israel's artificial feminine
3. Send Billions of dollars to facilitate the Genocide
4. Back Israel up in bullying any sovereign state around that tries to defend its self against any form of insecurity and colonialism.
5. Support and don't condemn Israel's continued illegal occupation of foreign lands.

And then a few years later…

5. "Broker a peace deal" and say that you deserve a Nobel Peace Medal. Wow, just wow.

[franky1]

5. Support and don't condemn Israel's continued illegal occupation of foreign lands.

israel actually removed isreali citizens from gaza in 2005
israel gave gaza 2 years to set up a peaceful civilian based municipal government 2005-2007

however hamas(terror group) took control of gaza as a "government" 2007*, but not to operate civil services, as they demanded the UNRWA to operate the civil services(schools, hospitals and sanitary/water system). hamas only wanted lawfare access to operate a military, then used it to attack israel and other stuff

*2006 hamas marginally won but only a hamas44%:fatah41%..  but, given the electoral system, a strong majority of seats (74 to 45). Neither party was keen on sharing power. Fighting broke out between the two. When a unity government was finally formed in June 2007, Hamas broke the deal, started murdering Fatah members, and, in the end, took total control of Gaza.

hamas did not even try setting itself up as a state between 2007-2025
hamas did not even try meeting pre-requisites for statehood nor want to come to peacedeals(hamas broke peacedeals at each offer)

hamas then declared war on october 7th 2023, thus idf troops had the right to battle hamas there after thus not 'illegal occupation'

hamas dont care about peace(check their charters1988+), hamas dont even like palestinians(see the political and civilian deaths caused by hamas)
hamas just want to get paid to be proxies of larger regimes/agenda's like the arab league and persia(tehran).. whilst using palestinians as pawns, martyrs for their cause

if you separate the mindset of what hamas (terror proxy of larger regime) wants vs what peaceful civilian palestinians want, you might the see how isreal is trying to help palestinians whilst ridding the region of hamas(terror proxy of larger regime).. and then you can have a clearer mind to see passed the propaganda that is pro-hamas (trying to make things look bad for israel/us peace process) because your other points (1.2.3.4) sound more like pro-hamas(tehran regime) propaganda

[MusaPk]

What about the war crimes committed by Israel army in last two years? Approximately 70,000 innocent people have lost there lives, actual count is much larger then that. Thousands are badly injured. It looks like this peace deal is giving a clean chit to crimes committed by Netanyahu and his army. Israel army has not fully withdrawn from GAZA rather half of Gaza is still under illegal control of Israel army, which means more narrow land for 2 million Palestinians to live. Israel still maintains illegal siege of the strip and is allowing only limited number of trucks to enter Gaza. These are some questions which must be answered before we call it a real ceasefire. "True peace is not just the absence of violence but the active presence of justice" (Martin Luther King Jr.)   

[franky1]

What about the war crimes committed by Israel army in last two years? Approximately 70,000 innocent people have lost there lives, actual count is much larger then that. Thousands are badly injured. It looks like this peace deal is giving a clean chit to crimes committed by Netanyahu and his army. Israel army has not fully withdrawn from GAZA rather half of Gaza is still under illegal control of Israel army, which means more narrow land for 2 million Palestinians to live. Israel still maintains illegal siege of the strip and is allowing only limited number of trucks to enter Gaza. These are some questions which must be answered before we call it a real ceasefire. "True peace is not just the absence of violence but the active presence of justice" (Martin Luther King Jr.)  

"70,000 innocent" oh go play idiot in another corner
you have been drinking the hamas koolaid

but did you not see how hamas proved the ingredients of their koolaid are not innocent as you think
did you not know the death numbers supplied by hamas are numbers that include their own tropps and leaders killed.
did you not know the death numbers supplied by hamas are numbers that include their own families THEY used as martyrs/shields
did you not know the death numbers supplied by hamas are numbers that include people that died due to illness's/disease/disability unrelated to war injury

yes there was also some innocent collateral damage (citizens unintentionally hit due to proximity to hamas operations) but if you want to pretend it was 70,000 normal 'innocent' people intentionally killed.. you really are drunk on the hamas koolaid

why defend hamas? do you not see that they dont care about palestinians, even this month hamas are showing they are executing palestinians and coercing palestinians to be martyrs even when israel are not on scene

wake up, stop defending hamas.

israel sent warnings, told people that hamas have taken over the area and using urban civilian infrustructiure as hamas base of operations. israel told people to get to safety to reduce the risks to innocent people.
hamas coerced people to stay with false sense of safety by remaining. hamas wanted as many martyrs as possible. hamas didnt want to protect the borders and fight on open battle fields of baron land. they chose to put peoples lives at risk by their cowardly lawfare games.

but with all that said hamas's days are numbered, you dont need to fear them by protecting them, you can feel free to call out hamas for their actions that resulted in the war and many deaths that could have been prevented should hamas not have done what they done over many years. it was all preventable.

why keep defending hamas even now?

[Joy_learns_crypto]

When P Trump says if  he eventually end the war in the middle east which by statistic has claimed so many Palestine and Israeli lives for the past two years plus, a Nobel peace prize should be given to him. so many world leaders were against it. some claim peace prize isn't bully to get. what then is noble peace prize if not for making peace. the man has kept to his word. DO you think Trump should be given a Nobel peace prize for Gaza peace deal?

What is P trump? Why shorten President to P that’s weird. About the Nobel peace prize award, if this joke is happens then President Trump may be the first Nobel prize winner that asked for the award before it was given and still got it.
Trump jokes so much and I don’t think he was serious when he talks about the Nobel peace prize award.
I don’t think he deserves any peace prize award but to everyone that contributed to the peace now seen in that region, thank you.

[Hispo]

When P Trump says if  he eventually end the war in the middle east which by statistic has claimed so many Palestine and Israeli lives for the past two years plus, a Nobel peace prize should be given to him. so many world leaders were against it. some claim peace prize isn't bully to get. what then is noble peace prize if not for making peace. the man has kept to his word. DO you think Trump should be given a Nobel peace prize for Gaza peace deal?

Trump is very unlikely to get a the nobel prize for Peace, even if he ends up finishing the war in the middle east, the war in Ukraine and so, he simply is a very controversial figure which would divide people around the world even more, in the same manner he had decided people in his country.
He could have a chance to get the prize if he managed to get a peace deal between North Korea and South Korea, since those two countries are technically still at war and North Korea have nuclear weapons at their disposition.

If I recall correctly, Obama was awarded a Peace prize Nobel, that is likely why Trump also wants to get his own.

[Kavelj22]

When P Trump says if  he eventually end the war in the middle east which by statistic has claimed so many Palestine and Israeli lives for the past two years plus, a Nobel peace prize should be given to him. so many world leaders were against it. some claim peace prize isn't bully to get. what then is noble peace prize if not for making peace. the man has kept to his word. DO you think Trump should be given a Nobel peace prize for Gaza peace deal?

Maybe i am a fool not to share your opinion which seems to be the opinion of many others, but what peace do you actually see in Gaza? Are you aware that Trump deal is mainly to protect israeli interest or you just see the cease fire part?

What i see today is Israel get rid of Hamas and appointed proxy leaders after destroying the whole string at the point that it's not suitable for living anymore. The United states helped Israel with arms since day 1 war and continue with Trump administration. Who the hell would believe that Trump is the dove of peace?

[franky1]

When P Trump says if  he eventually end the war in the middle east which by statistic has claimed so many Palestine and Israeli lives for the past two years plus, a Nobel peace prize should be given to him. so many world leaders were against it. some claim peace prize isn't bully to get. what then is noble peace prize if not for making peace. the man has kept to his word. DO you think Trump should be given a Nobel peace prize for Gaza peace deal?

Maybe i am a fool not to share your opinion which seems to be the opinion of many others, but what peace do you actually see in Gaza? Are you aware that Trump deal is mainly to protect israeli interest or you just see the cease fire part?

What i see today is Israel get rid of Hamas and appointed proxy leaders after destroying the whole string at the point that it's not suitable for living anymore. The United states helped Israel with arms since day 1 war and continue with Trump administration. Who the hell would believe that Trump is the dove of peace?

the international opinion is that the middle east stuff has been ongoing since Xthousand BC and more relevantly since WW1 and WW2. where US/UK are trying to get involved to suggest all their accords and treaties and armistice pre 2025 didnt quite cause the peace, but the deals done in 2025 and the abreham accords signed this year lead to many peacedeals. but with that said. still too early to tell if its actual lasting peace or just temporary ceasefire to give jihadi's/terror groups time to re-arm and recruit for new fighting to begin later.

the saying still goes "may have won the battle but not the war". many terror/jihadi groups of many islamic states still have mission statements to wipe out israel, UK US. and pakistan/india are still not 100% resolved in their tensions even today. so too soon to tell if those supposed 8 'solved' wars are actually at true peace now

[Mophymac]

hamas dont care about peace(check their charters1988+), hamas dont even like palestinians(see the political and civilian deaths caused by hamas)
hamas just want to get paid to be proxies of larger regimes/agenda's like the arab league and persia(tehran).. whilst using palestinians as pawns, martyrs for their cause

You are very correct. My question has always been why will The Palestinians permit Hamas to be operating freely in their space, refusing to stand up for themselves and secure their safety? they have turned their neighborhood into a breeding ground for terrorism and death. Then the truth smite me like a thunderbolt, the Palestinian will never do that because they love free things and rely on arms mostly from Iran and Lebanon.  Hamas keep using them as a larder to attack Israel, while they receive aids from them, now  the terrorist are trapped, no means of  getting supply from their comrades Hezbollah in Lebanon and Isis in Iran, they turn against the same people they claim to be fighting for, stealing supplies from them.

  

[Kavelj22]

When P Trump says if  he eventually end the war in the middle east which by statistic has claimed so many Palestine and Israeli lives for the past two years plus, a Nobel peace prize should be given to him. so many world leaders were against it. some claim peace prize isn't bully to get. what then is noble peace prize if not for making peace. the man has kept to his word. DO you think Trump should be given a Nobel peace prize for Gaza peace deal?

Maybe i am a fool not to share your opinion which seems to be the opinion of many others, but what peace do you actually see in Gaza? Are you aware that Trump deal is mainly to protect israeli interest or you just see the cease fire part?

What i see today is Israel get rid of Hamas and appointed proxy leaders after destroying the whole string at the point that it's not suitable for living anymore. The United states helped Israel with arms since day 1 war and continue with Trump administration. Who the hell would believe that Trump is the dove of peace?

the international opinion is that the middle east stuff has been ongoing since Xthousand BC and more relevantly since WW1 and WW2. where US/UK are trying to get involved to suggest all their accords and treaties and armistice pre 2025 didnt quite cause the peace, but the deals done in 2025 and the abreham accords signed this year lead to many peacedeals. but with that said. still too early to tell if its actual lasting peace or just temporary ceasefire to give jihadi's/terror groups time to re-arm and recruit for new fighting to begin later.

the saying still goes "may have won the battle but not the war". many terror/jihadi groups of many islamic states still have mission statements to wipe out israel, UK US. and pakistan/india are still not 100% resolved in their tensions even today. so too soon to tell if those supposed 8 'solved' wars are actually at true peace now

I don't really consider responding to all of these ideas, although they raise many important questions and are subject to discussion. However, I think you're trying to interpret them more than the intended meaning of each idea may mean.
We are somehow not making a common meaning of what is a war and what could be its potential effects in small scale to bigger scales.