What happens to Merits and sMerits if...?

[Pjcr7]

I have been meaning to ask a question but I had to relax and go through different replies and threads just to see if I can come across this very question or an answer that's relating to my question that I have been pondering about in my head.

I have been curious to know, what happens to the merits or sMerits that a member has accumulated over the years if his/her account gets banned or he/she abandons or sadly in the demise of the member. Obviously, if an account hasn't been active over a period of some years either of these could be imagined happened to the member. What does the the moderators do to such accounts? Does the merits and sMerits gets collapsed and redirected or recycled back into the system? Or it's just left like that and new ones are created into the system?

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Theymos can always have new laws about smerits but if you want to send merit to a post, you will see this:

You have received a total of ---- merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have - sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

Smerits are left alone with moderators and admin not interfering with anybody's merit but this may change at anytime.

There is no need to regenerate the smerit as long as merit sources are receiving their monthly smerit allocations.

[Bch219]

I’ve had my sMerit for quite some time now. I was away for a while and, upon returning, found them exactly as I left them. So, I don’t think anything happens to sMerit if you leave them unused, though there’s really no benefit in keeping them idle. I plan to start spending mine soon since I’ll be more active now.

Regarding banned accounts, I don’t have personal experience, but I believe there’s nothing that can be done about their merits and sMerit. The admin has already addressed this issue through the introduction of merit sources(whose smerit gets expired this is to ensure they distribute them actively), who keep merit circulation active by consistently awarding merits to deserving posts. Therefore, users getting banned while still holding sMerits isn’t much of a concern. However, I think a more knowledgeable user might be able to provide a more precise answer to your question.

[TryNinja]

Nothing happens if an account is banned or becomes inactive.

There will always be new merits in circulation since there are merit sources who get sMerits for free every month.

No need to overthink about "redirecting" inactive sMerits. The system works fine as it is.

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Regarding banned accounts, I don’t have personal experience, but I believe there’s nothing that can be done about their merits and sMerit.

Yes, there is nothing that can be done about smerits of a banned account. After the user violated one of the rules of this forum and his account has been banned, he will not be able to do anything on his account anymore. He will not be able to post, send messages or send merit to any post.

[philipma1957]

Regarding banned accounts, I don’t have personal experience, but I believe there’s nothing that can be done about their merits and sMerit.

Yes, there is nothing that can be done about smerits of a banned account. After the user violated one of the rules of this forum and his account has been banned, he will not be able to do anything on his account anymore. He will not be able to post, send messages or send merit to any post.

Banned members can receive merits.

I GAVE a lot when supporting tv_plus when he was stupidly bot banned for plagiarism.

I Gave him enough to make hero .

A day or 2 later the ban was lifted. But banned people can recieve merits.

[_act_]

Banned members can receive merits.

I GAVE a lot when supporting tv_plus when he was stupidly bot banned for plagiarism.

I Gave him enough to make hero .

A day or 2 later the ban was lifted. But banned people can recieve merits.

This is true, anyone that is banned can receive merit but the merit is not useful. I know someone on this forum that got to full member and he was banned. Luckily he was later pardoned in 2024 with some months of signature ban. When he was banned, he still received merit from few users.

[Majestic-milf]

Banned members can receive merits.

I GAVE a lot when supporting tv_plus when he was stupidly bot banned for plagiarism.

I Gave him enough to make hero .

A day or 2 later the ban was lifted. But banned people can recieve merits.

Yeah, obviously you can merit a banned account but for me it's pointless because it's like as if they are getting wasted (I know that everyone can do whatever they like with their merits) still it's like it's wasted because the recipient won't really appreciate it cause they wouldn't be able to make further progress since the ban placed on the account is permanent. Except it's a temp ban though.

[OcTradism]

I have been curious to know, what happens to the merits or sMerits that a member has accumulated over the years if his/her account gets banned or he/she abandons or sadly in the demise of the member. Obviously, if an account hasn't been active over a period of some years either of these could be imagined happened to the member. What does the the moderators do to such accounts? Does the merits and sMerits gets collapsed and redirected or recycled back into the system?

Merit stays with an account forever except if it is a very terribe merit abusement so that theymos needs to demerit that account. It happened with some merit transactions in the past, but not too considerable transactions.

smerit stays with an account forever too, even the user does not send it to anyone else.

Except if theymos programs the merit system with some changes, and demerit or merit decay is applied in the future.

Merit & new rank requirements.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

[philipma1957]

Banned members can receive merits.

I GAVE a lot when supporting tv_plus when he was stupidly bot banned for plagiarism.

I Gave him enough to make hero .

A day or 2 later the ban was lifted. But banned people can recieve merits.

Yeah, obviously you can merit a banned account but for me it's pointless because it's like as if they are getting wasted (I know that everyone can do whatever they like with their merits) still it's like it's wasted because the recipient won't really appreciate it cause they wouldn't be able to make further progress since the ban placed on the account is permanent. Except it's a temp ban though.

the ban on tv plus was supposed to be forever i helped get it lifted as the bot used for finding plagiarism was defective.

Thou shall not kill. ie a commandment does not need credit as it is well enough.

tv plus was repeating his own rules in his own thread and simply did not think he need to quote from post 1 to say post six of his own thread.

ie he passed his own rules off as his rules which is not plagiarism which i helped to argue and get his ban ended.

so the rank I gave him works for him.

I got one other ban lifted but that person I did not give any merits.

So i think it is only one case giving merits to a banned person was worth doing.

[GeorgeJohn]

Based on experience via some abandoned profile we see in the forum, like people who started the forum with satoshi, it can see in their profiles that their merit remains in their profile, even user who voluntarily decide to leave the forum, after they left their merit remains in their profiles, Somethings that's what makes some of the user's that are about to leave the forum to first exhaust their Smerit before leaving the forum knowing that the smerit and merit stays with user's account...I believe that theymos is not using the merit already in our profile to generate another merit, any merit you earn during your days remains in your profile as a legacy.

[Ojima-ojo]

Nothing happens if an account is banned or becomes inactive.

There will always be new merits in circulation since there are merit sources who get sMerits for free every month.

No need to overthink about "redirecting" inactive sMerits. The system works fine as it is.

Very well the system is designed and functioned perfectly as it is, merit's are earned as rewards for quality contributions, if the account get banned along the line, that doesn't delete the Post were the merit's is sent to, so for that the posts still count as a contribution to the forum and the merit's sent remains as trade mark for quality.

Merit's is forum way of stamping quality contributions, a the merit's remains in the Forum as a trademark regardless.

[FinneysTrueVision]

When someone abandons the forum, most of the time there is no way to verify if that person will ever return. The disappearance of a user from the forum isn’t impactful enough to affect merit circulation unless they were a merit source. If a merit source became absent for some reason, a new source can be appointed to take their place. The amount of smerit given to sources can also be adjusted by Theymos.

[Ruttoshi]

Your merit and Smerits belongs to your account even if the account was banned because nobody has access to your account only the admin. Admin respects privacy and leaves your account like that but admin has the right to decay your Smerits in future if it's called for.

anyone that is banned can receive merit but the merit is not useful

You have already answered yourself. A banned account Smerits can be useful in future only if the account is unbanned based on pardon. The forum has given amnesty twice to banned accounts.

[Majestic-milf]

the ban on tv plus was supposed to be forever i helped get it lifted as the bot used for finding plagiarism was defective.

Thou shall not kill. ie a commandment does not need credit as it is well enough.

tv plus was repeating his own rules in his own thread and simply did not think he need to quote from post 1 to say post six of his own thread.

ie he passed his own rules off as his rules which is not plagiarism which i helped to argue and get his ban ended.

so the rank I gave him works for him.

I got one other ban lifted but that person I did not give any merits.

So i think it is only one case giving merits to a banned person was worth doing.

I understand your angle now. Plagiarism can be tricky if you aren't careful and just anyone can be a victim. I've heard of tv plus and although I don't know him very well, I don't see him as the type of guy that would deliberately plagiarize. It's a good thing you could look out for his account till it could come back to being useful.
 You know, if someone has been banned and you keep sending merits, you'd be seen as weird and the behavior suspicious but then again, it depends on the individual that sends the merit and the recipient, regardless of the situation, right?

[Mpamaegbu]

What does the the moderators do to such accounts? Does the merits and sMerits gets collapsed and redirected or recycled back into the system? Or it's just left like that and new ones are created into the system?

It's not like Merit is fiat or Bitcoin/alts that anyone will miss its supply if any of those inconveniences you described happened to any user who had enough merit. Nothing. It won't affect anything. Just codes and more merit will be created and distributed. It will be like nothing happened. Theymos sends merit monthly to sources. The forum won't miss those who are banned/inactive/dead. Only those close to them are likely to notice their absence.

Theymos won't even notice.

[Lida93]

Banned members can receive merits.

I GAVE a lot when supporting tv_plus when he was stupidly bot banned for plagiarism.

I Gave him enough to make hero .

A day or 2 later the ban was lifted. But banned people can recieve merits.

For banned members accounts to by default still be allowed to receive merits it then entails that those s'merits that would be generated from the merits they receive would never decay, at least since there's no existing rule that s'merits unused within certain timeframe will (compulsory) get decade or discarded. Until such rules exists and the system (forum) is then designed to function in that form then maybe banned users or even active users who haven't used their s'merits within the given time would now have to lose the s'merits back to the system automatically.

[ColdLava40]

Does the merits and sMerits gets collapsed and redirected or recycled back into the system? Or it's just left like that and new ones are created into the system?

Merits is not some kind of coin and won't affect the forum if an account is banned. The forum's admin has programmed the system to generate merit. They are essentially just lines of code created to make the forum more interesting.

[YOSHIE]

Or it's just left like that and new ones are created into the system?

Try reading your Merit and sMerit history where it is written.

You have received a total of xxxx merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have xxx sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

I remember the phenomenon:
Topic: [April Fools] Replacing the merit system

Immortal Status achieved:

It can be concluded, Administs can do anything for the Merit and sMerit of users, whether they no longer exist/died and so on, this has been done and proven at the April Fool's event.
It's just that Administs don't care and don't want to do anything with the Merit and sMerit of users who are no longer here, they just leave it and not be recycled into the system, if they want they can do that.

[OcTradism]

It can be concluded, Administs can do anything for the Merit and sMerit of users, whether they no longer exist/died and so on, this has been done and proven at the April Fool's event.
It's just that Administs don't care and don't want to do anything with the Merit and Merit of users who are no longer here, they just leave it and not be recycled into the system, if they want they can do that.

Merits amd sendable merits in this forum are not limited and each month, there are new sourced merits distributed to merit sources for next distributions in forum community. With always available new merits from sources, it is not big issue with no longer used series from dead accounts or banned accounts.

If theymos check the forum merit data and see merit circulation is decreasing by lack of series, he will dump more to merit sources.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources