Clarification on the use of AI by non-English speakers

[Moreno233]

When I join the forum, I realized there were local boards for various languages and general boards where discussions are only in English. Well, this wasn't much of a problem since everyone was cool with it although there were people struggling to communicate freely in those general boards but then, it is another opportunity for them to learn a new language. But today I noticed someone who want to post about Bitcoin and openly admitting that English was not his native language so he has to resort to ChatGPT whose use is forbidden in the forum, the referenced post is here quoted.

Hi everyone, I’m new here. I’d like to know in which section of the forum I can post a topic presenting my new idea for using payments in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies for everyday use. English is not my native language, so I’m using ChatGPT to help me. I hope what I wrote is understandable to you.

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the writer openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

[Mia Chloe]

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The very first question to the OP you are referring to is can he speak and write the language which is English in this case at least fairly? If yes then it's okay for him to make use of writing tools to further make it presentable. Using chatGPT isn't a proper choice if you ask me because there are better language tools online.

The reason people should be concerned about their English on the general boards is because of how presentable you want your posts to appear. So it's fine so long you have a fair idea of the language.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the written openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

If you said it clearly, it's kind of acceptable but there is another important condition.

You don't use your posts created by AI for milking money as you can not use a reason as a non-native English speaker but still use AI for generating your posts and meet your post quota in signature campaigns for money. The second condition if you break, will make your AI usage is not accepted by forum members.

Generally, forum members don't need to have perfect English for writing and communicating with each other in this community. You can use AI to check your grammar, but don't abuse AI for creating contents for your posts.

Acceptable uses of AI in the forum (unofficial).
AI-generated post discussion thread: how to identify & report.

[Finebone]

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the written openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

If the guy can interpret and understand English very well then the only thing I can suggest is he stop using AI and write in his native language, when he is done, he should use his browser and translate that his own post to English, I don't know  if it's against the rules but that's the best idea I can get for now, for such person, because using AI to put your English in order will make it looks like you are using AI to create post, which is not the case in a scenario like this.

[Despairo]

Time will tell his motive.

I believe, if someone have a genuine intention for sharing or asking a question, even though they use AI and they admit in their post, people won't going to hurt or punish them. Those genuine users are usually just be in this forum for making few posts and left the forum, or they become active, but they really give contribution instead of create a newbie teach someone thread or repeating common information over and over.

[lovesmayfamilis]

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the written openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

The forum will send reports to the moderators. It's simple.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the written openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

The forum will send reports to the moderators. It's simple.

For translating using AI? Maybe some people report it, but good luck getting those reports accepted. Nowadays AI translates much better than a typical online translator and doesn’t show up as AI-generated in detectors. It’s one thing to create content with AI and pass it off as your own without citing it, but translating from other languages into English using AI is completely legitimate and allowed under the forum rules.

The text above was written in Spanish and translated into English using AI, as you can check here.

I've passed the text through Copyleaks: 'No AI Content Found. Percentage of text that may be AI-generated 0%'
And https://app.gptzero.me/: 'We are highly confident this text is entirely human'

[lovesmayfamilis]

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the written openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

The forum will send reports to the moderators. It's simple.

For translating using AI? Maybe some people report it, but good luck getting those reports accepted. Nowadays AI translates much better than a typical online translator and doesn’t show up as AI-generated in detectors. It’s one thing to create content with AI and pass it off as your own without citing it, but translating from other languages into English using AI is completely legitimate and allowed under the forum rules.

The text above was written in Spanish and translated into English using AI, as you can check here.

I've passed the text through Copyleaks: 'No AI Content Found. Percentage of text that may be AI-generated 0%'
And https://app.gptzero.me/: 'We are highly confident this text is entirely human'

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3552965

This account told me in a private message that they don't use AI, but you can see how many posts were removed. There are several other examples in the AI ​​thread of people using AI translators, which then trigger detectors to detect their posts as being written by AI. All the advice above was correct: you can write text in your native language and check your grammar, but don't use the translation suggestions provided by translators, which are then identified as AI posts.

Another one as an example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5563453.msg65971999#msg65971999

[The Cryptovator]

But today I noticed someone who want to post about Bitcoin and openly admitting that English was not his native language so he has to resort to ChatGPT whose use is forbidden in the forum, the referenced post is here quoted.

Hi everyone, I’m new here. I’d like to know in which section of the forum I can post a topic presenting my new idea for using payments in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies for everyday use. English is not my native language, so I’m using ChatGPT to help me. I hope what I wrote is understandable to you.

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the writer openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

We don't inspire to use AI, but you can get help from AI to get information. You aren't allowed to copy and paste from the AI here; it's strongly restricted, and you might get banned as well. The thread you are concerned about seems to indicate he wrote that he got help from ChatGPT; I'm not sure he copy-pasted directly. Getting help and copy-pasting are totally different; help would have you collect information from the AI. Since this post isn't informative, I think he just copy-pasted. Likely he inputted data in his native language and output in English. If so, then he might get banned as well.

Even when I have been making grammar corrections from ChatGPT, other members of the forum raise concerns. So later I realised I shouldn't use ChatGPT for that, and then I started using other tools just for grammar fixing. So copy-paste isn't allowed on the forum either from the bot or some other sites. Sometimes you can use under quote or mention by copy-pasting from the source. But doing it always means you are a spammer, especially if you are a signature participant. .

[Ruttoshi]

Why didn't the person in question look for his local board and only post in his local board with his native language. That will help him learn fast and gain more knowledge because he can easily interact with them and ask questions. He will also get merits from his LB if his post is quality.

I don't see how anyone that doesn't understand English will be able read and understand fast in the general board because he will get tired of using ChatGPT for translations and his post will be like an AI post.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3552965

This account told me in a private message that they don't use AI, but you can see how many posts were removed. There are several other examples in the AI ​​thread of people using AI translators, which then trigger detectors to detect their posts as being written by AI. All the advice above was correct: you can write text in your native language and check your grammar, but don't use the translation suggestions provided by translators, which are then identified as AI posts.

Another one as an example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5563453.msg65971999#msg65971999

I think it’s more a case of people claiming they’ve only used AI for translation, when in reality they’ve used AI-generated content — not just translated text — for the posts they later publish. I’m going to write everything I post on the forum from today until next Tuesday, the 4th, in Spanish, translating it into English with ChatGPT, and each time I’ll check with two or three detectors to see if it’s flagged as AI-generated. If it isn’t, next week I’ll publish the results, and it’ll then be clear that if someone claims they’ve only used AI for translation and their text is detected as AI-generated, they’re lying. If I see that three of my posts come up as AI-generated, I’ll stop the experiment and share that too.

As for this post.

https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector: 80% AI.
https://app.gptzero.me/: We are highly confident this text is entirely human. 9% AI generated. 0% Mixed.
https://quillbot.com/ai-content-detector91% Human: 0% of text is likely AI

Looking at the results of this post, I think we’ll also be able to find out whether some detectors produce more false positives.

[joker_josue]

It's one thing to ask AI to write a text for me. It's another for me to write a text and ask him to translate it.
This is not bad, nor does it violate any forum rules, if it is a post in the global areas.

Now, there is a danger of AI altering the content of the text
To avoid this, it is best to use direct translation tools, which do not have to change text. It translates based on what is written.

Whether it is then grammatically correct is another question. That has nothing to do with using translation tools or not.

[KingsDen]

There are so many uses of Chatgpt, I think the user is adopting the one which is less dangerous to the community.
If the user will not deviate from using chatgpt as a translator, into using it to generate the whole list, it will be a good one.
Meanwhile, the user further clarified that he used chatgpt, if some plagiarists will behave like him, they would be able to escape ban.

My great concern is when the user will stop using the chatgpt. Maybe he will never stop using it because he is obviously making no efforts to learn English, but he is so interested in using English boards.
Anyways, I'll put an eye on Don Pedro Dinero's experiment.

[LTU_btc]

All these AI tools is new cancer that causes brainrot. I'm already getting sick to see it everywhere. It's all ok when you're using AI to get some help, but not when AI is doing everything for you.
I'll rather read post written in not very fluent English than AI generated stuff. But if you feel that your English isn't godd enough, maybe just stay in your local board.

[Ivystar5]

When they said "No use of AI" I'm sure it's simple and direct that using AI is against the community standards, why not just take it as it is.

Personally, there is no need to be clarifying the use of it since it's clearly prohibited, what is prohibited shouldn't be considered because you used it in a certain way. Speaking from the mind of some.....

Instead of getting involded with AI and then looking for justification for it's use, why not translate with pure translator instead of the AI translators!?

[joker_josue]

When they said "No use of AI" I'm sure it's simple and direct that using AI is against the community standards, why not just take it as it is.

Personally, there is no need to be clarifying the use of it since it's clearly prohibited, what is prohibited shouldn't be considered because you used it in a certain way. Speaking from the mind of some.....

Instead of getting involded with AI and then looking for justification for it's use, why not translate with pure translator instead of the AI translators!?

It was never said that using AI is prohibited! What was said is that using AI to generate content is prohibited!
They are different things.

It's one thing to use AI to translate a text that I wrote 100% myself, it's quite another to ask AI to write a text on a specific topic.
Logically, the second option is completely prohibited.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I’m going to write everything I post on the forum from today until next Tuesday, the 4th, in Spanish, translating it into English with ChatGPT, and each time I’ll check with two or three detectors to see if it’s flagged as AI-generated. If it isn’t, next week I’ll publish the results, and it’ll then be clear that if someone claims they’ve only used AI for translation and their text is detected as AI-generated, they’re lying. If I see that three of my posts come up as AI-generated, I’ll stop the experiment and share that too.

Well, shortly after writing my previous post, I came up with the idea that I expressed by starting a thread, so I'm not going to carry out the experiment I said I was going to do. Normally, when I write in English, it's a mixture of me writing directly in English and translating, sometimes with AI and sometimes with Deepl.com.

It's one thing to ask AI to write a text for me. It's another for me to write a text and ask him to translate it.
This is not bad, nor does it violate any forum rules, if it is a post in the global areas.

This is crucial. No matter how much people want to criticise it, using translators or AI to translate from other languages into English does not break the forum rules.

When they said "No use of AI" I'm sure it's simple and direct that using AI is against the community standards, why not just take it as it is.

Personally, there is no need to be clarifying the use of it since it's clearly prohibited, what is prohibited shouldn't be considered because you used it in a certain way. Speaking from the mind of some.....

Instead of getting involded with AI and then looking for justification for it's use, why not translate with pure translator instead of the AI translators!?

What should be prohibited is people with such poor comprehension skills shitposting for sats. Ask AI for help to see if it makes you understand that the use of AI as such is not prohibited in the forum; it depends on how it is used.

[ColdLava40]

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the writer openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

If I remember correctly, the only rule on the forum that spoke about use of Translators, referred to not using it to communicate on another local board which isn't your mother tongue.

If someones English in general isn't that good, won't it be okay to simply make some corrections just to pass along his messages to the English speaker?

[Z-tight]

Instead of getting involded with AI and then looking for justification for it's use, why not translate with pure translator instead of the AI translators!?

You cannot police people to use the tool you think they should use. The only negative side about AI is that a lot of people no longer have their own opinion on any topic, they just rely on AI to generate something for them and pass it off as theirs, which is plagiarism. Other than that, AI has a lot of advantages in the modern world today and that is why it is adopted in so many industries.

There is nothing wrong in relying on AI to translate your posts, as long as you wrote it all by yourself. A lot of user cannot communicate fluently in English Language and the truth is, posts written in good English are much better to read. So if AI can help people make grammatically correct posts, then it is fine.

[AVE5]

When I join the forum, I realized there were local boards for various languages and general boards where discussions are only in English. Well, this wasn't much of a problem since everyone was cool with it although there were people struggling to communicate freely in those general boards but then, it is another opportunity for them to learn a new language. But today I noticed someone who want to post about Bitcoin and openly admitting that English was not his native language so he has to resort to ChatGPT whose use is forbidden in the forum, the referenced post is here quoted.

Hi everyone, I’m new here. I’d like to know in which section of the forum I can post a topic presenting my new idea for using payments in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies for everyday use. English is not my native language, so I’m using ChatGPT to help me. I hope what I wrote is understandable to you.

My concern is, how will the forum treat this issue since the writer openly admitted to using AI? What advice should be given to the writer regarding the use of AI in this forum?

How about using the Google translator which just translates words to words? I also understand that sometimes translations doesn't turn out perfectly efficient because it misquotee some words which meaning may differ from the real context. chat Gpt in the other hand can't be provable that the user isn't cheating. So it'll be difficult to judge the user after being admitted of using Ai for post translation. Well, I don't think if there's something more the forum can do about it than accepting it but in same vein, the user won't get the credits of the post quality rate because it's not provably self constructed texts.
This is an issue of bitcoin and the illiterates. I saw a post talking about bitcoin talk translator, I guess only this initiation will bet in cases like this.