PATIENCE IS NOT ENOUGH...

[Fiasem20]

this means relying on bitcoins unpredictable volatility for guaranteed profits can be considered as a gamble.

Ohh really?I never knew relying on bitcoin's unpredictable volatility for guaranteed profits can be considered as a gamble,I was thinking all this while that only shitcoins are considered as gambling when relied on for the long term.I think this piece of information can mislead a newbie from investing in Bitcoin for the long term.If only the pioneers of Bitcoin had this mindset of yours then they wouldn't have profited from the potential of it's returns.Nobody knows the future, neither do you know what will become in the next 10 years,if only you're sensitive enough to the price movement of Bitcoin these days you'll notice that the volatility has reduced compared to the early days.

[WhoYouCantKill]

This take is fair and realistic. The early explosive rise of Bitcoin came from it being a new, high risk asset in an immature market. Not it has been more established having institutional involvement, ETFs, and regulation that is tighter, the wild profits of the past are now difficult to repeat.
It remains a valuable asset for diversification and long-term holding, though expecting it to multiply same way it happened 10 years ago is not wise. Your point on emotional health is key too, lots of investors still chase the dream of get rich of treating Bitcoin as a long-term, volatile investment. A mindset that is grounded is best protection going forward.

[suzanne5223]

For years bitcoin performance has captivated investors, painting the picture of an unstoppable asset, but an in-dept look at the data of the cryptocurrency market reveals a brutal reality, bitcoin future performance might not mirror the past. The acronical profits enjoyed by the early investors operating in an immature market has fundamentally changed,

Today the bitcoin market has reached a level of structural maturity that reduces the like hood of the initial incredible returns made by the early investors in btc, I considered the market mature because of the increase in investment by large institutions and regulated products like ETFs, with macroeconomic factors which reduce the the potential for huge profits for today's investors, this means relying on bitcoins unpredictable volatility for guaranteed profits can be considered as a gamble.

The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Yes, in every market, patience is not enough because knowledge and the level of understanding of how the market works are also needed, but I don't agree with you when you said the likelihood of the initial incredible returns of BTC for early investors has changed due to the current condition of the market, when you also claimed the BTC market to be unstoppable.

The market does mature due to the institutional investors and organizations holding BTC, but you cant use the current market condition to justify what will happen in the near future. This current market profit level changed from the previous one because the institutional investors also want to eat their own part of the cake presented by BTC. So I don't see any reason for BTC investors not to be excited about the 4 years cycle high returns.

[Byebyebtc]

With the type of investment bitcoin has, no one can guarantee that it will be forever profitable in the long run. The risk to lose is always there, so if you are a responsible investor, you will not assume a lot that bitcoin will be like this or like that in the future. Just invest on what you can afford to lose, and continue to stick bitcoin for long, this is the safest way where we can gain maximum profits, even if its not as profitable like those of the previous years. Just don't expect too much, but never also lost your faith in bitcoin.

You are very right bro, this is what people fail to understand, nobody said bitcoin will not give rewards, from what i understood op was placing a statement that investors should not be of high expectation for your own mental health in the future, take a look at what happened feew days ago just a little draw down from bitcoin some days ago some investors committed suside because of it.

The clear message here is to guid your emotions and dont be too delusional for some life changing profit for your own mental health.

[JiiBs]

This take is fair and realistic. The early explosive rise of Bitcoin came from it being a new, high risk asset in an immature market.

It remains a valuable asset for diversification and long-term holding, though expecting it to multiply same way it happened 10 years ago is not wise. Your point on emotional health is key too, lots of investors still chase the dream of get rich of treating Bitcoin as a long-term, volatile investment.

This I can highly relate with. Bitcoin having it’s early days as a high state risk in an unexplored market. This was the drive that built wealth for early investors. Not because in their time they enjoyed a great deal of wealth or profits from Bitcoin but, they do so in today and that’s due to the fact that, a lot of new investors have pushed the demand curve to not loose out on its history with price boost and so expect that again but, with price haven’t gone so high, people approach it with a little bit of skepticism which wasn’t much of the case when you are investing few dollars as a way of testing the water.

[Hyphen(-)]

The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Why wouldn’t investors be excited when they won money or when they have good profit in their investment when other people invested in so many investments and still failed?

I understand that nothing is certain in crypto market, but I will never believe that Bitcoin will not appreciate by the next ten years because people are adopting Bitcoin everyday globally, and the supply is limited; then where should if the demand is high, how can the price remain static or remain within this range? It’s not possible.

[Stalker22]

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Your warning is fine, but you are missing the big picture.  You are worried about short-term price swings, but serious investors are thinking long-term.

They are not worried about Bitcoin crashing; they are worried about the current money system losing value.  They see Bitcoin as a smart way to protect against that, not just a gamble.  So, is there something specific happening now that makes you want to warn people about price swings?

[death69]

Such is the case of market maturity arguments.

You analyzed, and concluded that the explosive phase of bitcoin is complete. The data looks compelling. The logic seems sound. Except you're measuring the wrong thing altogether.

There are things that changed and things that did not. What changed: yes, there was a market structure. Institutions arrived. Regulation systems developed. What remained the same: the core purpose of bitcoin being here in the first place. You are taking bitcoin like it is a part of the portfolio, another figure on the screen. But bitcoin is not competing with stocks or gold or real estate for "best returns". It is competing with the whole architecture of money itself.

The early investors were not lucky speculators. They were buying an idea when the idea was almost worthless, when it was laughable, when it was dangerous. They were buying sovereignty. They were buying exit. They were purchasing a monetary system that cannot be debased by central planners, cannot be frozen by bureaucrats, cannot be inflated away by political expediency. Price appreciation was an adoption side effect.

You are correct on one thing: when you are buying bitcoin today in the belief that you could make 100x returns in five years, you are gambling. However, the maturation that you are talking about is the success of bitcoin. Each institution embracing it, each ETF issuing it, each government compelled to acknowledge its presence... That's infiltration. You believe the potential of bitcoin is declining just as fiat credibility is crashing? The future decade is not going to be like the previous decade. Not that bitcoin is becoming irrelevant. Because the monetary system it's replacing is maturing into crisis.

Patience isn't enough. True. What is needed is patience and understanding. Knowing that the purpose of bitcoin is to liberate you. Freedom is the byproduct of its wealth and not vice versa. And freedom... freedom doesn't have a mature market. It has a permanent market. Since the alternative (the system under which we now live) continues to generate the same effects: devaluation, extraction, control.

Call it speculative, then. Call it risky. Call it a gamble if you want. But ask the question: what is the alternative? Carrying money that is being devalued? Believing institutions that shattered all their vows of fiscal responsibility? Betting your future on a system that's already failed everyone who wasn't born rich or connected?

The early investors became wealthy, yes. But the late investors (the ones who come now, in the mature market you outline) they receive something that might be even more valuable. They get a lifeboat. They get optionality. They escape a system that is running out of exits, running out of exits.

And that is not a gamble. This is insurance against the real gamble, which is to leave this mess to the same institutions that brought it about to somehow sort it out.

So it goes...

[Shineup]

Like they always says patience is a virtue and that is what we have noticed for a very long time now, when it comes to investing in Bitcoin I think it makes absolute sense for us to find a possible means of investing in Bitcoin, and when the price of Bitcoin seems to be going down, most people who are not patience and they see there Bitcoin going down tends to sell their Bitcoin, most possibly trading there Bitcoin, which is why it’s necessary to to have and exercise patience, because patience is a virtue for us all, it’s only patience that will enable us to hold Bitcoin for a very long term and also for the future purpose for someone holding Bitcoin for 1 or 2 circle

When emphasizing patient as what is meant to be a necessity for every investors to inhabit strategically it doesn't only play a role when the market seems to be going down, for a long term investor who is intentional about buying and holding Bitcoin for a long term they also have to prioritize this patient whenever this is an uptrend in the market and there is a small profit overcoming this also requires patience not to sell until they are able to reach their targets or have a significant profit over the long term plans.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Of course it is most affective an effective area while gambling and whenever the market dip that point it create that strength and momentum to peak up higher even above previous price, as a smart investors or someone who has been here for decades could be that ready and targeting the market to buy more when it dips or even makes profits from the market manipulation. Investment needs to be properly targeted on when to invest and during the bear run a good investors should be able to know when is the right time to invest or if they could decides to apply the DCA approaches.

With high or low volatility, market is always unpredictable and if you have a plan of becoming a long-term investor, it's good start. Next if you knew and wanted to use DCA strategy for your portfolio building, it's a next good step. Lastly, let's practice DCA for your investment portfolio in a long time from accumulation to holding your bitcoins. Time will help you getting very good profit as Bitcoin will continue to grow up more in adoption, value and price.

This you are speculating about bitcoin in the future, what do you bring to prove what you are saying. Bitcoin remains a volatile asset and very valuable asset. It is people like you who criticised  bitcoin like the way you do some years ago. You just say things based on assumptions and without facts

With time, Bitcoin market volatility becomes smaller by some contributors. First of all, and also most easily recognized is with bigger market cap, it makes sense to have smaller volatility as it is harder to manipulate the price than the past. Secondly, with participation of more institutional investors, for example with many Bitcoin Spot ETFs in this market cycle since January 2024, they will try to control the price in their wanted range. They don't want too have too much volatility and it's not my guess, it has been shown on the market price in the last 21 months.

[Koadharber]

For years bitcoin performance has captivated investors, painting the picture of an unstoppable asset, but an in-dept look at the data of the cryptocurrency market reveals a brutal reality, bitcoin future performance might not mirror the past. The acronical profits enjoyed by the early investors operating in an immature market has fundamentally changed,

Today the bitcoin market has reached a level of structural maturity that reduces the like hood of the initial incredible returns made by the early investors in btc, I considered the market mature because of the increase in investment by large institutions and regulated products like ETFs, with macroeconomic factors which reduce the the potential for huge profits for today's investors, this means relying on bitcoins unpredictable volatility for guaranteed profits can be considered as a gamble.

The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Yes, in every market, patience is not enough because knowledge and the level of understanding of how the market works are also needed, but I don't agree with you when you said the likelihood of the initial incredible returns of BTC for early investors has changed due to the current condition of the market, when you also claimed the BTC market to be unstoppable.

The market does mature due to the institutional investors and organizations holding BTC, but you cant use the current market condition to justify what will happen in the near future. This current market profit level changed from the previous one because the institutional investors also want to eat their own part of the cake presented by BTC. So I don't see any reason for BTC investors not to be excited about the 4 years cycle high returns.

When we talk about bitcoin’s growth the truth sits somewhere in between both sides yes the market is more mature now compared to the early days but that doesn’t mean it has lost its potential completely the difference now is scale and the type of participants in the ecosystem back then the price could multiply by 100x with small inflows because liquidity was low and volatility was sky high today we have a more stable structure because of institutional presence etfs and global adoption but it still runs on the same fundamental scarcity that made it valuable in the first place. What changes is not the nature of bitcoin but the kind of expectations investors should have early adopters made massive returns because they entered when bitcoin was priced like a risky experiment now it’s treated as a macro asset hedge against inflation and traditional finance so yes the growth curve will flatten but that’s the natural evolution of every successful market.

Investors need to balance optimism with realism even if the explosive 100x gains might no longer happen the idea of bitcoin reaching new highs in future cycles isn’t out of reach we still have the halving events that reduce supply institutional accumulation that creates demand and countries exploring bitcoin integration all these are solid foundations for sustainable long term growth. But i agree that emotional investing can be dangerous people need to understand that bitcoin isn’t a get rich quick tool it’s more like digital real estate something you build wealth with over time through patience strategy and a strong grasp of market dynamics rather than speculation on overnight miracles.

[Hardyrobust]

With the type of investment bitcoin has, no one can guarantee that it will be forever profitable in the long run. The risk to lose is always there, so if you are a responsible investor, you will not assume a lot that bitcoin will be like this or like that in the future. Just invest on what you can afford to lose, and continue to stick bitcoin for long, this is the safest way where we can gain maximum profits, even if its not as profitable like those of the previous years. Just don't expect too much, but never also lost your faith in bitcoin.

You are very right bro, this is what people fail to understand, nobody said bitcoin will not give rewards, from what i understood op was placing a statement that investors should not be of high expectation for your own mental health in the future, take a look at what happened feew days ago just a little draw down from bitcoin some days ago some investors committed suside because of it.

The clear message here is to guid your emotions and dont be too delusional for some life changing profit for your own mental health.

It is not good to have high expectations as regards bitcoin investment. since there is risk involved in investing in bitcoin. There is no doubt about the worth of bitcoin , the fact that bitcoin promised a good return in the future is not a guarantee that our investment in bitcoin is going to be successful at the long run . It is wrong for anyone to have high expectations in the future in other to avoid having mental issues.

[suzanne5223]

Yes, in every market, patience is not enough because knowledge and the level of understanding of how the market works are also needed, but I don't agree with you when you said the likelihood of the initial incredible returns of BTC for early investors has changed due to the current condition of the market, when you also claimed the BTC market to be unstoppable.

The market does mature due to the institutional investors and organizations holding BTC, but you cant use the current market condition to justify what will happen in the near future. This current market profit level changed from the previous one because the institutional investors also want to eat their own part of the cake presented by BTC. So I don't see any reason for BTC investors not to be excited about the 4 years cycle high returns.

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Investors need to balance optimism with realism even if the explosive 100x gains might no longer happen the idea of bitcoin reaching new highs in future cycles isn’t out of reach we still have the halving events that reduce supply institutional accumulation that creates demand and countries exploring bitcoin integration all these are solid foundations for sustainable long term growth. But i agree that emotional investing can be dangerous people need to understand that bitcoin isn’t a get rich quick tool it’s more like digital real estate something you build wealth with over time through patience strategy and a strong grasp of market dynamics rather than speculation on overnight miracles.

I agree with you when you said investors need to balance the level of their optimism about the Bitcoin market and the realism of the market's possible multipliers, because a lot of investors seem to lack that, which is why we see a lot of naive price predictions of BTC that experienced investors technically know won't happen. However, I don't agree with you when you said 100x gains might no longer happen when the BTC market is something we both know to be a volatile market, and when a market has a strong potential with volatility, nothing is impossible.

In the BTC trading market, traders always believe that the level of traders patience, discipline, risk management, and knowledge is what determines the traders profitability. Still, in the BTC investment, most investors lack patience. We judge the market based on the current market trends, not knowing that institutional investors main focus when they enter a market is to first market profit, later is dominant, and then play the role of god, which will eventually open doors for the 100x.

We are currently in a phase where they are making a profit, but we are expecting a multiplier. If BTC achieves an incredible multiplier during the next halving market, I won't be surprised.

[SmartGold01]

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With high or low volatility, market is always unpredictable and if you have a plan of becoming a long-term investor, it's good start. Next if you knew and wanted to use DCA strategy for your portfolio building, it's a next good step. Lastly, let's practice DCA for your investment portfolio in a long time from accumulation to holding your bitcoins. Time will help you getting very good profit as Bitcoin will continue to grow up more in adoption, value and price.

Of course that is the reason why many people opted for Long term investment because they believe that adoption is taking place and the price would definitely soar, the more they hold longer the more the price keeps increasing and, you and I can't tell what the future price of Bitcoin would be but we just believe that something positive gonna happen within the next few years of our holdings and possibly target some halvings and when we hold it becomes that easier for us to enjoy the dividend of its prices increase.

[Peanutswar]

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The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Diamond hands always win at the end of the rally of bitcoin but again its investment people still cant remove that there's a part of them having a regrets and also being greedy. Regrets because they didnt even take a wait to look about the bitcoin such as waiting due to market dump and we knew how frustration it is when it comes to bitcoin not all dump is healthy sometimes its just a correction at the first place that you are an investor you must need to know that. Other hand is being greedy because people takes already a win but keep holding makes them more satisfied could be sky rocket more or else makes another dump instead taking profit they took just a screenshot. In bitcoin or any kind of business and investment. Patience is always the key.

[Lanatsa]

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The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Diamond hands always win at the end of the rally of bitcoin but again its investment people still cant remove that there's a part of them having a regrets and also being greedy. Regrets because they didnt even take a wait to look about the bitcoin such as waiting due to market dump and we knew how frustration it is when it comes to bitcoin not all dump is healthy sometimes its just a correction at the first place that you are an investor you must need to know that. Other hand is being greedy because people takes already a win but keep holding makes them more satisfied could be sky rocket more or else makes another dump instead taking profit they took just a screenshot. In bitcoin or any kind of business and investment. Patience is always the key.

One of the biggest points people forget when they get into Bitcoin or any kind of investment they get too hyped up about returns thinking it’s gonna keep shooting up like before but Bitcoin isn’t magic it’s still a speculative asset that moves with emotions and global events and it can crush anyone who goes in without patience or balance.

Diamond hands always sound cool but even that comes with its own weight people hold too long hoping for that one big moon and then regret not selling when they could have it’s the same story in every bull run greed clouds judgment and fear follows right after when the dump hits hard the smart ones are those who understand corrections are normal and that every drop doesn’t mean failure. In the end patience really is the main key it’s not about holding forever just to prove something it’s about knowing when to wait and when to move even small profits matter more than screenshots of what could’ve been Bitcoin rewards those who understand its rhythm not those who panic or chase hype if you can stay calm through both pumps and dumps you’ll always end up winning in the long game.

[Bushdark]

Like they always says patience is a virtue and that is what we have noticed for a very long time now, when it comes to investing in Bitcoin I think it makes absolute sense for us to find a possible means of investing in Bitcoin, and when the price of Bitcoin seems to be going down, most people who are not patience and they see there Bitcoin going down tends to sell their Bitcoin, most possibly trading there Bitcoin, which is why it’s necessary to to have and exercise patience, because patience is a virtue for us all, it’s only patience that will enable us to hold Bitcoin for a very long term and also for the future purpose for someone holding Bitcoin for 1 or 2 circle

When emphasizing patient as what is meant to be a necessity for every investors to inhabit strategically it doesn't only play a role when the market seems to be going down, for a long term investor who is intentional about buying and holding Bitcoin for a long term they also have to prioritize this patient whenever this is an uptrend in the market and there is a small profit overcoming this also requires patience not to sell until they are able to reach their targets or have a significant profit over the long term plans.

All investment is all about patience, the ability for you to buy and hold till when you are satisfied to sell your holdings.
Investing also have other factors that will help to make it a successful one but we can not talk about them without pointing at patience to be the major reason for every successful investors. If you can not calm down and hold, you will surely make mistakes due to the urge to make faster profit even when your investments has not matured. Those that are taken profit in every of their investments are quick to make mistakes cashing out their funds too early.

[alastantiger]

For years bitcoin performance has captivated investors, painting the picture of an unstoppable asset, but an in-dept look at the data of the cryptocurrency market reveals a brutal reality, bitcoin future performance might not mirror the past. The acronical profits enjoyed by the early investors operating in an immature market has fundamentally changed,

Today the bitcoin market has reached a level of structural maturity that reduces the like hood of the initial incredible returns made by the early investors in btc, I considered the market mature because of the increase in investment by large institutions and regulated products like ETFs, with macroeconomic factors which reduce the the potential for huge profits for today's investors, this means relying on bitcoins unpredictable volatility for guaranteed profits can be considered as a gamble.

The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Well, bitcoin today isnt the same as it was 10 years ago and of course early investors had an advantage because the market was young and predictable but i think its important to add balance. If you look at it well, a more mature Bitcoin market doesn't exactly mean no opportunity, it just means the opportunity looks different.
Although i agree with you that people shouldn't expect guaranteed riches or repeats of the early 100x gains... in this case the issue isnt Bitcoin itself but the unrealistic expectations set by people, so yes investors should manage their emotions and risk but not because Bitcoin doesnt have potentials but because people just need to be more realistic about it.

[Japinat]

For years bitcoin performance has captivated investors, painting the picture of an unstoppable asset, but an in-dept look at the data of the cryptocurrency market reveals a brutal reality, bitcoin future performance might not mirror the past. The acronical profits enjoyed by the early investors operating in an immature market has fundamentally changed,

Today the bitcoin market has reached a level of structural maturity that reduces the like hood of the initial incredible returns made by the early investors in btc, I considered the market mature because of the increase in investment by large institutions and regulated products like ETFs, with macroeconomic factors which reduce the the potential for huge profits for today's investors, this means relying on bitcoins unpredictable volatility for guaranteed profits can be considered as a gamble.

The point here is that investors should not be too excited about high returns because bitcoin is a speculative asset and is subjected to unpredictable price fluctuations. in the next ten years bitcoin might not be like it was in the past ten years and it might not be guaranteed to get you rich, but some investors treat it like that which will be very risky to your emotional health if it dos does not deliver the way you expect in years to come.

Well, bitcoin today isnt the same as it was 10 years ago and of course early investors had an advantage because the market was young and predictable but i think its important to add balance. If you look at it well, a more mature Bitcoin market doesn't exactly mean no opportunity, it just means the opportunity looks different.
Although i agree with you that people shouldn't expect guaranteed riches or repeats of the early 100x gains... in this case the issue isnt Bitcoin itself but the unrealistic expectations set by people, so yes investors should manage their emotions and risk but not because Bitcoin doesnt have potentials but because people just need to be more realistic about it.

Even before, investors should be responsible and realistic on the kind of investment they have particularly with bitcoin where it can be highly volatile most of the time. Emotions should be controlled, otherwise too much emotions put on bitcoin investment will only lead to being impulsive that may cause wrong decisions, and may result into uncontrolled losses.

However, its unavoidable to think that newbies may not expect to get rich with bitcoin in the long run because its what social media influencers keep claiming. Reality is, bitcoin can still make us rich, that is if you also invest on a large scale of bitcoin and sell them only when they've seen life-changing price for bitcoin.

[vanesha]

It is very difficult to predict the price of Bitcoin, if you want high interest then there is a calculated risk, price fluctuations can occur at any time generally after influential people assess Bitcoin or the state of the global economy, keep learning from the past, I never thought that Bitcoin would reach $100k, when in 2017 someone said it but I just laughed, but looking at it now, I just laugh at myself