How to use AI for translation without getting tagged or posts deleted.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Well, after exposing this method, I want to point out that I have hardly ever used AI for translation. I have done so on occasion, but I currently have the free version of ChatGPT, and if I need a translator, I use deepl.com so that I don't use up my free AI credit for other queries. In addition, I sometimes write directly in English. Perhaps native English speakers cannot conceive of how some of us do it, that we can sometimes write directly in English, especially shorter sentences. Other times we use the translator directly, and other times I'm writing something in the translator that is 70% in Spanish and 30% in English because that's how I have it in my head, so that the translator gives me 100% English. Then, if you have a good level, you check the result and make some adjustments, but as translators keep improving, there is less and less to adjust.

That's why I say that using AI tools for translation (even if they translate well) is excessive for posting on the forum. Tools exclusively for translation (even if they use AI) are better options. I'm not saying that using AI directly is bad, just that it's an overkill for the purpose of communication here on the forum.

I don't see that overkill. Besides, you're talking about a supposed line that is getting thinner with each passing day. How many online translators do you think won't be using AI in 2030? I think none. Of the good ones, the well-known ones, none. At least with the method I am proposing, people can cover their backs with regard to accusations of plagiarism.

[Asuspawer09]

How about like a proof of date for these links, like proof that it was actually created on a certain date? I mean, if someone gets caught actually cheating, they might recreate a link that will make it look like it's just a translation, just to get out of the tag.

If im going to write something like a comment or reply, like on other local board, im gonna need to translate the topic first right in order to understand it, Seems okey since your just translating it, but if you right your reply then ask AI to translate your reply, in my opinion technically it wasnt your reply anymore since AI is the one that made it, for me it shouldnt be allowed.

Still, I would really completely agree on the translation since it's still AI-generated technically, unless we get a method that accurately works on verifying this kind of thing, we'd better not promote it for now, since it might encourage users to use AI on the forum. If you can't translate or use the language, it's probably best not to post there. I mean, that's why we have our own local board, so we'd better just stick to our own local boards.

[joker_josue]

I don't see that overkill. Besides, you're talking about a supposed line that is getting thinner with each passing day. How many online translators do you think won't be using AI in 2030? I think none. Of the good ones, the well-known ones, none. At least with the method I am proposing, people can cover their backs with regard to accusations of plagiarism.

Regardless of the tool, which was created exclusively to do translation, use AI resources or not, translation can never be classified as plagiarism, nor will it ever be classified as such.

If the translated text is actually written by the user, and the translation is faithful to that text (without introducing content) will never be flagged as plagiarism.

That's why I say that using generic AI to translate, some adjustment to the text is more exposed.
On the other hand, tools exclusively for translating (even if they use AI), will only translate without changing the content.

I don't understand the indignation (so to speak) against the use of translators to post on global boards.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

How about like a proof of date for these links, like proof that it was actually created on a certain date? I mean, if someone gets caught actually cheating, they might recreate a link that will make it look like it's just a translation, just to get out of the tag.

Well, I'm sure that, as with everything, people will try to cheat the system. I've tried it on ChatGPT, and there's no option to display the date, nor is ChatGPT very reliable if you ask it when the conversation started. But simply something that is generated with AI in English, and then translated into a local language to be retranslated into English with AI, will appear with a high AI-generated content in detectors, unlike text created by humans and then only translated.

If you can't translate or use the language, it's probably best not to post there. I mean, that's why we have our own local board, so we'd better just stick to our own local boards.

I'll get back to you after the next quote.

I don't understand the indignation (so to speak) against the use of translators to post on global boards.

I do understand it, and since I'm getting a little fed up, I'm going to express my moral judgment here: it's a way to try to maintain privilege.

Translators have democratized access to the English forum, which is the largest and best, and to signature campaigns. I think theymos understands this very well, as he does not prohibit the use of translators to translate from other languages into English, and at the same time tries to encourage local boards (for example, by appointing merit sources for them). I think that's a much more reasonable attitude.

[Ultegra134]

Although I understand the OP's point, to provide a way for non-English speakers to write well-constructed posts. However, I do tend to agree with LoyceV and Satofan44 in this one. ChatGPT and AI platforms in general won't only translate your text but also polish it. I highly doubt that if you write a post in whatever language and it's not properly written, the AI translation will be. You're still pretending to be someone you're not.

You're not able to communicate with others in English; thus, you're going to use AI to do it? Either stick to your local board or do what you can with whatever English knowledge you have; I'll only accept if you use a service to correct a few mistakes, not to change the text entirely.

[Cryptohygenic]

How about like a proof of date for these links, like proof that it was actually created on a certain date? I mean, if someone gets caught actually cheating, they might recreate a link that will make it look like it's just a translation, just to get out of the tag.

I have so much been thoughtful about this too because, some users might want to play smart coming latter to say their post was organized by translation while earlier on tend to pretend that it was not associated with the AI just to scale through plagiarism accusations.
However, misconceptions on this process can be curbed if the user can earlier on indicate it that it is a translated post to cut others skepticism off by providing link to the post which is generated by the chat gpt just as Op has outlined.

Still, I would really completely agree on the translation since it's still AI-generated technically, unless we get a method that accurately works on verifying this kind of thing, we'd better not promote it for now, since it might encourage users to use AI on the forum. If you can't translate or use the language, it's probably best not to post there. I mean, that's why we have our own local board, so we'd better just stick to our own local boards.

Honestly the implementation of using translation tool for post making could be comprised from it genuineness because it would definitely be misused for personal interests in generating high quality posts to attract merits of which, users who are using it to cheat can not be proven guilty after indicated the use of translator.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

However, I do tend to agree with LoyceV and Satofan44 in this one. ChatGPT and AI platforms in general won't only translate your text but also polish it.

Which shows that you have plenty of ideas about how AI translation works but zero experience. Never let reality shatter your prejudices. Keep it up, you can do it.

I highly doubt that if you write a post in whatever language and it's not properly written, the AI translation will be. You're still pretending to be someone you're not.

The umpteenth time that nonsense has been repeated in this thread, and we’ve debunked it time and again.

You're not able to communicate with others in English; thus, you're going to use AI to do it?

Of course.

Either stick to your local board or do what you can with whatever English knowledge you have;

Because you say so.

I'll only accept if you use a service to correct a few mistakes, not to change the text entirely.

Why should I care about what you do or don’t accept? What matters to me are the forum rules.

And here, this one’s a gift for you.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6915c812-a6cc-800e-9e4e-fc73c2d83f02

[Ultegra134]

Which shows that you have plenty of ideas about how AI translation works but zero experience. Never let reality shatter your prejudices. Keep it up, you can do it.

The umpteenth time that nonsense has been repeated in this thread, and we’ve debunked it time and again.

Of course.

Because you say so.

Why should I care about what you do or don’t accept? What matters to me are the forum rules.

And here, this one’s a gift for you.

https://chatgpt.com/share/6915c812-a6cc-800e-9e4e-fc73c2d83f02

I don't understand why you're being that ironic and pissy because someone simply voiced their opinion? It's even funnier that you're only addressing me, when LoyceV and Satofan44 had the same opinion. Regardless of who said it, everyone has the right to say what they want, whether you like it or not. I understand that claiming to only stick to local boards might be harsh, but the idea of encouraging to use AI for translation isn't the best idea and it's also promoting that using AI to write on a simple forum is okay.

AI usage is frowned upon and considered an offense similar to plagiarism, a large number of new accounts end up nuked after being reported on the official AI Report thread. Also, I do have experience with AI translation, and I can show you that a badly written text (vocabulary or grammar mistakes) will be corrected during translation from ChatGPT automatically.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I don't understand why you're being that ironic and pissy because someone simply voiced their opinion?

Because I'm getting fed up with those of you who only know how to repeat the same nonsense that I've debunked in this thread several times.

It's even funnier that you're only addressing me, when LoyceV and Satofan44 had the same opinion.

I replied to LoyceV, you smart aleck.

What's with the "that's your opinion"? That's a weird way to have an internet discussion. To beat you to it: that's my opinion.

What is not just my opinion is that what I said in the OP is a system to prove that you have translated using AI that does comply to forum rules. What you say is a particular moral judgement on the matter that has nothing to do with forum rules.

ChatGPT doesn't need any promotion because it's being used more and more every day, regardless of whether a few people here use it to prove they haven't committed plagiarism or not.

I'm not going to waste any more time dismantling all of you who have a particular moral opinion about how bad you think something is that is allowed by the forum rules. And even less so for rubbish like: “oh, but I prefer to read people writing in broken English rather than using translators”.

And as for that idiot Satofan44, I can't remember if I replied to him or not, and I don't care because he's a typical example of someone who's very clever in one field but completely stupid in everything else. I've put him on ignore.

Regardless of who said it, everyone has the right to say what they want, whether you like it or not.

And I have the right to reply, whether you like it or not.

I understand that claiming to only stick to local boards might be harsh,

It's not harsh, is a way of defending privilege against the most disadvantaged people.

but the idea of encouraging to use AI for translation isn't the best idea and it's also promoting that using AI to write on a simple forum is okay.

That is simply rubbish.

AI usage is frowned upon and considered an offense similar to plagiarism,

Oh yeah? Report me for plagiarism you smart aleck.

a large number of new accounts end up nuked after being reported on the official AI Report thread.

If you're so stupid that you can't tell the difference between using AI to create text and passing it off as your own creation, and using AI to translate, that's not my problem.

Also, I do have experience with AI translation, and I can show you that a badly written text (vocabulary or grammar mistakes) will be corrected during translation from ChatGPT automatically.

Good. So what?

[Ultegra134]

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You're so pissy about it that you don't even remember what you wrote yourself. You claimed that I have zero experience translating text with AI, but then your reply is "So what?". You're the one who made assumptions but then don't like when talked back. Someone who doesn't speak English can simply use Google translate, and LoyceV option stands perfectly fine, it's not "absolutely rubbish". Eventually, these users may use AI for further reasons.

You clearly have an issue expressing yourself in order to be so ironic and hostile, calling others stupid whatsoever. Extremely arrogant behaviour. No one even mentioned about you being reported for plagiarism. I don't know what's your issue, but you need to address it quickly.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

You're so pissy about it that you don't even remember what you wrote yourself.

I do remember it.

You claimed that I have zero experience translating text with AI, but then your reply is "So what?".

My response is to your statement that AI corrects errors, which is something that automatic translators that do not use AI also do. Even word processors such as Word do this.

You're the one who made assumptions but then don't like when talked back.

On the contrary. The one who doesn't like having their bullshit taken apart is you, who says that I responded to you only, and not to LoyceV, for example. You also say that using AI in general is an offence punishable as plagiarism, which is profoundly stupid.

Someone who doesn't speak English can simply use Google translate,

Why are you wasting my time repeating what has already been said in the thread?

And FYI, Google Translate now uses AI as well.

If you're going to talk rubbish, at least make sure it's not rubbish that has already been debunked in the thread.

You clearly have an issue expressing yourself in order to be so ironic and hostile, calling others stupid whatsoever.

I don't have any issues, I make my points very clear, unlike you. And so far in this thread I have only called you and Satofan44 stupid. You have an issue understanding what you don't like.

Extremely arrogant behaviour.

Are you talking to your mirror?

No one even mentioned about you being reported for plagiarism.

Why do you insist on talking rubbish? This is you:

AI usage is frowned upon and considered an offense similar to plagiarism, a large number of new accounts end up nuked after being reported on the official AI Report thread.

I don't know what's your issue, but you need to address it quickly.

Look in the mirror.