Help me find WAY

[forry777aura]

Hi, since artificial intelligence isn’t able to help me, I’m counting on you, on human intelligence. Let’s assume that back in 2010, a group of people were already deeply involved in BTC, and despite the small price in USD compared to today, they held these coins and had FAITH in the system they were building. Elsewhere, there’s ME—having no idea about BTC, zero financial knowledge, let alone IT or programming.

To the point: it’s 2025, those people are doing great, their life is a path of success and joy, they can develop wherever and however they want. Meanwhile, I missed all the best opportunities, still fiddling around looking for happiness and change in life, which generally doesn’t happen. Somehow it turned out this way. I dream of financial independence, which I understand as security and getting out of the system that enslaves me. I affirm a good life, a life of dreams, and I come to the conclusion that I need a certain sum of something to feel SAFE.

I calculated that I need 30 BTC to make my affirmation come true. My plan is that I would sell half of the coins on the exchange, which would allow me, in my geographic location and in my currency, to deposit the money so that, after taxes on the interest, I could lead a peaceful life. The other half would be a safeguard that I wouldn’t part with.

Since I already have the affirmation and have calculated everything, it’s time for execution. And here’s the question to everyone: what advice would you give to someone who wants to achieve this, considering they have nothing—no capital, no knowledge, only pervasive despair, systemic entanglement, and suppressed dreams and needs? Point me to a path on how it’s possible to achieve something like today’s 30 BTC.

Wishing everyone all the best!

[franky1]

you are basically saying you want to be at a point of life of having equivalent of $3.3m of assets and able to sell $1.65m which after tax is more like just over $1m to live on comfortably. BUT you say you dont have capital.
so you have to work out how to get $3m as soon as possible, legally and without risk of people chasing after you(debt)

so here is the advice
maximise your income, maximise your buys:

A. if you have minimal income, try to maximise it. the methods are:
i. get promoted, change your job, do extra work
ii. cut down expenses. dont waste it on junkfood/branded drive-thru coffee, cut down on luxuries
iii. use excess income from (ii) to buy a product which you can sell for profit to multiply your income before you invest/hoard it

B. when you are ready to invest/hoard.. dont 'buy high', instead buy the dips.
C. the rule for A & B is simple. buy low, sell high, repeat

and most importantly. you say your friends from 2010 are now "comfortable" in 2025. meaning 15 years.. so dont be taking super risk trying to beat them in 1-5 years. understand you too are going to need 15+ years to get "comfortable"

plan the math out on a 15 year plan to get over $1m in "comfort" to spend at that point and $1.5m invested to accumulate

D. sidenote: if you had just 2btc today, and it only 2x each 4yr cycle you would have your $3.3m in 15yrs
so the sooner you maximise income, reduce expense, multiply excess before investing and then hoard as btc long term. the better you will be to get closer to target
bitcoin can produce better results than 2x per cycle but still best to get as much bought sooner to maximise potential to lessen time waiting

[forry777aura]

Thank you for your reply. Where I live, after selling $1.65 million in BTC, I would be left with $1.33 million after taxes (a 19% tax rate). In my country, the average income for most people is around $800 a month. The mortgage payment to the bank is $450, which leaves $350 for water, electricity, food, and everything else. So I really can’t save much — I can’t even afford a coffee out most days.

I rarely buy clothes, and when I do, it’s from supermarkets to keep it cheap, or I buy used ones. There’s really nothing left to cut back on unless I stop eating and become homeless but still have a job. Even then, saving $800 a month, I would reach my goal in 343 years and 9 months — I doubt I’ll live that long

That’s why I feel trapped and enslaved by the system. I’m looking for some kind of way out of this situation and need a different perspective and some advice.

Best regards.

[franky1]

Thank you for your reply. Where I live, after selling $1.65 million in BTC, I would be left with $1.33 million after taxes (a 19% tax rate). In my country, the average income for most people is around $800 a month. The mortgage payment to the bank is $450, which leaves $350 for water, electricity, food, and everything else. So I really can’t save much — I can’t even afford a coffee out most days.

I rarely buy clothes, and when I do, it’s from supermarkets to keep it cheap, or I buy used ones. There’s really nothing left to cut back on unless I stop eating and become homeless but still have a job. Even then, saving $800 a month, I would reach my goal in 343 years and 9 months — I doubt I’ll live that long

That’s why I feel trapped and enslaved by the system. I’m looking for some kind of way out of this situation and need a different perspective and some advice.

Best regards.

this is why i mentioned point (A) first
even if you think you dont have much income, its time to make changes

even if you cant get promoted. you cant get overtime, you can still look to buy a product from many cheap online wholesellers, and then resellthe product at retail/tourist rate for profit. you dont even need to start big. start small but repeat the process.

does your town do any parades, carnivals, events? is your town known for anything like a landmark or a tourist thing. is there something missing from your town that has a demand. find that niche product/service and sell it as a side hustle

even buying 5 products for $1each wholesale that can sell for $3.
at first round turns $5 into $15.
at second round turns $15 into $45.
at third round turns $45 into $135
at fourth round turns $135 into $405
this way if you are using $5 from week 1 that accumulates to $405 after 4 resell-rebuy and then invest the $405
where by repeating the process keeps it going

generate more cash to then invest
whether the product is hotdogs/burgers/novelty/touristy gift cost of $1 to sell for $3

as you can see by just putting in a colour indicated $5 from your "savings"(excess cash from job)
where by the max product demand tops out at just 200 products a week($405 sales max).
you can see how the colour indicated $5 per week input, then after repeating becomes $405 and you invest each $405 whilst still turning the initial weekly $5 into $405 4 weeks after. and keep doing it so you end up that you are investing $405 into bitcoin but only essentially costing you $5 from your main income
..

i know you were probably hoping AI (your initial search) or someone here will tell you a magic get rich quick scheme with zero money involved, but the real world doesnt act like that. especially if you have dreams of a millionaire status. sorry but the real world doesnt work like that

yes bitcoin will produce gains of more then 2x per cycle, but you still need to start somewhere. and no there is no crapcoin to "free mine" that will turn to $3m guaranteed in the next 15 years. but you can always try to hoard a heap of different crapcoins and hope one becomes significant, and hold some pennystocks and hope they innovate.. but thats a dreamers/hopers game. not really a successful investment strategy

if something is near free today, no one can guarantee you $3m in 15 years. so no one can tell you the magic pill next tech of 15 years time

but if you seriously want to actually do something to help be more self efficient in the future you need to put in some effort instead of the "hope" a new tech with guaranteed returns

[forry777aura]

Thank you for your help. I’d like you to understand that what you’re saying makes sense, but at the same time, it’s much more complicated to implement in practice. In my country, even selling anything at all requires registering a business and paying mandatory fees of about $400 per month. So I can’t just buy and sell things — otherwise, I could face arrest.

But I do understand what you’re trying to tell me. It’s just that I’m in a bad place right now and lacking faith, which makes it hard for me to put these ideas into practice because I’ve lost confidence.

[Vod]

But I do understand what you’re trying to tell me. It’s just that I’m in a bad place right now and lacking faith, which makes it hard for me to put these ideas into practice because I’ve lost confidence.

Be realistic with your goals, and the confidence will take care of itself.

Why are you focusing on bitcoin to make you rich?  You mentioned you would sell half - why even buy them in the first place?   Do you expect a btc whale to take a chance on you?

You should concentrate on something that has value in your local community - like gold or copper.   You can trade your work for bits under the table and you won't have mining fees.  Plus, when shit hits the fan and you lose power and/or internet, you can't trade a bitcoin for anything.

[anonymousminer]

This user is just hoping for someone in the bitcoin community to give them bits.  Nothing but a beggar with a poor me tale!

[forry777aura]

The user is harassing me in every thread. I listed an item for sale — a canvas painting — and from the very beginning he has been attacking and insulting me. Please look into this. He is not interested in the item; instead, he insults me, undermines me, and is offensive for no reason, only to vent his frustration. He follows my threads and in every one of them he writes about “begging.” Please prove it, because I have never asked anyone for anything, I don’t want anything from anyone, and this person from the USA is harassing me. Prove your words — show where I am supposedly begging and from whom — otherwise you are discredited. Check the threads I’m talking about.

[anonymousminer]

The user is harassing me in every thread. I listed an item for sale — a canvas painting — and from the very beginning he has been attacking and insulting me. Please look into this. He is not interested in the item; instead, he insults me, undermines me, and is offensive for no reason, only to vent his frustration. He follows my threads and in every one of them he writes about “begging.” Please prove it, because I have never asked anyone for anything, I don’t want anything from anyone, and this person from the USA is harassing me. Prove your words — show where I am supposedly begging and from whom — otherwise you are discredited. Check the threads I’m talking about.

They posted a "canvas painting" for sale that no one is allowed to see... but we are assured that they made it.  On top of that they were asking 30 BTC for it, begging that some OG Bitcoiner buy it and change their life.  They also posted a link to an outside email address... that is HUGE RED FLAG as well.

Then I found another "idea" from this user about a crowdfunding mechanism with bitcoin and in their example they could get 20 BTC out of it. (mind you they had no idea to make it a reality, just that they could gain that 20 BTC from it)

This user is a waste of space and yes I'm not going to let them pretend to be something you are not and get a single Satoshi out of this forum... they are NOT an artist... they are NOT a visionary and they don't have the next great idea...  THEY ARE A BEGGAR, nothing more!!

That's 50 BTC they were hoping to acquire over 2 posts, decide for yourselves...

[forry777aura]

You being an idiot is already obvious. It is true that I posted an ad to sell a painting for a large sum of money. It is true that I provided an email address to make contact easier, because nothing stops anyone from writing privately through the forum as well. In the ad I clearly stated that I would show the painting upon request to anyone who is genuinely interested. I emphasize that as a seller I am not a beggar, and if anonymouseminer claims that I am, then he is one himself, because he sells physical coins, which means he’s begging? Mr. anonymouseminer is obsessed with me, venting his frustration and verbal aggression; he even believes that I’m not just one person but some group of people trying to scam others — that’s paranoia.

The second post that this idiot accuses me of making was just an idea I came across when searching for information about crowdfunding. I noticed that there is a certain gap worth filling, but I had no intention of taking it up, which I also wrote in the post. I was only interested in users’ opinions and evaluating the concept in terms of future usefulness and the development of crypto. Unfortunately, this idiot doesn’t understand it and continues to spam and insult in every post.

I’ll add that in the ad, one user responded positively and was also called an idiot. This anonymouseminer is truly a stupid little man; he follows me around without having any arguments and embarrasses himself with every post. His frustration blinds him so much that in any substantive exchange he only manages to humiliate himself.

To sum up: I have never begged, never scammed anyone, and I have no intention of accepting even one satoshi for free. I am not interested in anyone else’s money; I just want to sell my painting to someone who can and wants to pay for it. Nevertheless, thanks to such useful idiots, I get more views, which increases my chances from zero to 0.01%, and for that I can thank my personal hater — although he is an idiot — not only because he proves it himself, but also because he called me and another participant, who has a different opinion than him, idiots.

[JaanusRaim]

Hi, since artificial intelligence isn’t able to help me, I’m counting on you, on human intelligence. Let’s assume that back in 2010, a group of people were already deeply involved in BTC, and despite the small price in USD compared to today, they held these coins and had FAITH in the system they were building. Elsewhere, there’s ME—having no idea about BTC, zero financial knowledge, let alone IT or programming.

To the point: it’s 2025, those people are doing great, their life is a path of success and joy, they can develop wherever and however they want. Meanwhile, I missed all the best opportunities, still fiddling around looking for happiness and change in life, which generally doesn’t happen. Somehow it turned out this way. I dream of financial independence, which I understand as security and getting out of the system that enslaves me. I affirm a good life, a life of dreams, and I come to the conclusion that I need a certain sum of something to feel SAFE.

I calculated that I need 30 BTC to make my affirmation come true. My plan is that I would sell half of the coins on the exchange, which would allow me, in my geographic location and in my currency, to deposit the money so that, after taxes on the interest, I could lead a peaceful life. The other half would be a safeguard that I wouldn’t part with.

Since I already have the affirmation and have calculated everything, it’s time for execution. And here’s the question to everyone: what advice would you give to someone who wants to achieve this, considering they have nothing—no capital, no knowledge, only pervasive despair, systemic entanglement, and suppressed dreams and needs? Point me to a path on how it’s possible to achieve something like today’s 30 BTC.

Wishing everyone all the best!

If you have no financial capital you have to find the asset that is not perceived as real asset yet (like Bitcoin was in 2009-2012, like Dogecoin was in 2013-2016 and so on). You have not to be rich to invest in such "immature" assets - because almost nobody wants them, they have very low price (or are fully free).
In other words "you have to find a Bitcoin 2.0"
Look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5567434.0

[escrow.ms]

You being an idiot is already obvious. It is true that I posted an ad to sell a painting for a large sum of money. It is true that I provided an email address to make contact easier, because nothing stops anyone from writing privately through the forum as well. In the ad I clearly stated that I would show the painting upon request to anyone who is genuinely interested. I emphasize that as a seller I am not a beggar, and if anonymouseminer claims that I am, then he is one himself, because he sells physical coins, which means he’s begging? Mr. anonymouseminer is obsessed with me, venting his frustration and verbal aggression; he even believes that I’m not just one person but some group of people trying to scam others — that’s paranoia.

The second post that this idiot accuses me of making was just an idea I came across when searching for information about crowdfunding. I noticed that there is a certain gap worth filling, but I had no intention of taking it up, which I also wrote in the post. I was only interested in users’ opinions and evaluating the concept in terms of future usefulness and the development of crypto. Unfortunately, this idiot doesn’t understand it and continues to spam and insult in every post.

I’ll add that in the ad, one user responded positively and was also called an idiot. This anonymouseminer is truly a stupid little man; he follows me around without having any arguments and embarrasses himself with every post. His frustration blinds him so much that in any substantive exchange he only manages to humiliate himself.

To sum up: I have never begged, never scammed anyone, and I have no intention of accepting even one satoshi for free. I am not interested in anyone else’s money; I just want to sell my painting to someone who can and wants to pay for it. Nevertheless, thanks to such useful idiots, I get more views, which increases my chances from zero to 0.01%, and for that I can thank my personal hater — although he is an idiot — not only because he proves it himself, but also because he called me and another participant, who has a different opinion than him, idiots.

The fact that you know how to abuse trust system despite joining this forum recently makes me wonder if you are even a new user or some old conman with multiple accounts?

[lornadane]

I’ll be very honest with you, but also respectful, because what you wrote is something many people feel and rarely say out loud.
First, a hard truth that must be said clearly:
There is no realistic, ethical, or repeatable path from “nothing” to 30 BTC in 2025 without extreme luck, crime, or already being exceptional in a rare skill.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying, selling hope, or trying to scam you.
That doesn’t mean your life is over. It means your goal framing needs adjustment.

[aysha9853]

Safety doesn’t come from a pile of coins, it comes from optionality more skills, more income sources, more control over your expenses If you chase BTC as the solution to despair, you’ll likely make rushed decisions. If you build a calmer base first, BTC becomes a tool instead of a lifeline.

[Vod]

Hi, since artificial intelligence isn’t able to help me, I’m counting on you, on human intelligence.

Since I already have the affirmation and have calculated everything, it’s time for execution. And here’s the question to everyone: what advice would you give to someone who wants to achieve this, considering they have nothing—no capital, no knowledge, only pervasive despair, systemic entanglement, and suppressed dreams and needs? Point me to a path on how it’s possible to achieve something like today’s 30 BTC.

That question sounds perfect for AI.  It's able to identify all the current trends, scams, regulations available to you in the country you live in and the resources you have (none).  We don't even know where you live, but AI can  give you local opportunities.    Why don't you tell AI your limitations and let it tell you what to do?  This is what a LLM is good at!