Can someone mimic block transactions?Satoshi, Spent Rewards, and Strange Things

[FREIVOGEL231]

Since the first days of Bitcoin, people are still finding many secrets inside the blockchain.
Some of them are about Satoshi Nakamoto, others about how block rewards really work, and some are just strange things we can see in modern blocks.
Let’s talk about a few of them

1. Did Satoshi Really Never Spend His Rewards?

Many people believe that Satoshi never used the coins he mined.
But when you check the blockchain carefully, you can see that some early rewards were actually spent.
Some of these blocks are from the time when Satoshi was still around.

Was it Satoshi? Or maybe other miners who used similar address ?were did they find the pk?
Maybe the old idea that “Satoshi never moved a coin” is not 100% true.

2. Weird or Unknown Outputs Inside Block Rewards

If you open some of the old coinbase transactions (the reward transactions), you can see strange outputs — things that do not look normal.
Sometimes, these outputs look connected to each other across different blocks, like they are part of a small hidden network.
It didn't even stop here you can also see that block rewards in the future were sent back to one of the first addresses in xxxx and even after collection it  was spent.
 if you keep going you find your self in today transactions So who spent them?

(I can put address here and transactions but don't want as you may have other explainations for this)



Maybe this was some kind of early test from developers.
Or maybe someone was trying to leave small messages inside the blockchain.
It’s hard to say, but it makes you wonder what was really happening in the first years.

3. Modern Blocks Are Full of “Unknown” Transactions included within reward transaction— Why?

Here is something even more interesting:
These mysterious outputs are not only in old blocks — now we see them but hidden in almost every new block!
Modern blocks have many strange transactions, data, or patterns that did not exist before.

Why do we see this today?

Modern Bitcoin allows people to add data inside transactions (for example with OP_RETURN , or SegWit and Taproot).

Some people may even use the blockchain for secret communication — hiding small codes or signals.


So it is possible that there are hidden patterns or what I like to call stargates inside the chain.
But it can also be just normal data from these new protocols.
We cannot know for sure without deep analysis.

So let me ask 2 questions:

Can a Miner Spend a Block Reward Right Away?
Can someone spend an old block rewards in a new one it does not count as a double spend block rewards!

Remember machine code never change it always read 11 0000 0101 0100 0011
Can really 1+1=11

[Ambatman]

But when you check the blockchain carefully, you can see that some early rewards were actually spent.

The addresses that follows the patoshi pattern have never been spent
And you should know he wasn't the only miner in the early days.

were did they find the pk?
Maybe the old idea that “Satoshi never moved a coin” is not 100% true.

The coins were never spent. So you can't tell the Pubkeys. They were identified through their mining patterns.

you can also see that block rewards in the future were sent back to one of the first addresses in xxxx

I don't understand. It's public knowledge people still send Bitcoins to the Genesis address as a form of tribute.

Can a Miner Spend a Block Reward Right Away?

Only after 100 Blocks later which Is around 16-17 hours later.
Take for example Block 921720 Would be spendable from Block 921820.

Can someone spend an old block rewards in a new one it does not count as a double spend block rewards!

I don't understand. All Bitcoins existing are Block rewards. So yes they can be spent as transactions and included in a block.



Y'all just like thinking too deep and thinking there's always a conspiracy. Good thing the Blockchain is public.

[ABCbits]

2. Weird or Unknown Outputs Inside Block Rewards

If you open some of the old coinbase transactions (the reward transactions), you can see strange outputs — things that do not look normal.
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If you find something strange because you use block explorer website, it's probably they don't parse P2PK or P2MS UTXO correctly.

3. Modern Blocks Are Full of “Unknown” Transactions included within reward transaction— Why?
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I can't give detailed answer without example. But one usage of OP_RETURN on coinbase transaction (what you call as reward transaction) is probably merge mining data.

[flapduck]

Early rewards were spent by some 2009-2010 miners, but not from the Patoshi cluster usually tied to Satoshi. The accurate line would be more like "Patoshi coins look unspent," and not "Satoshi never moved a coin."

The "weird outputs" are mostly old script types and modern housekeeping. Early coinbases paid to P2PK (not the later address format), and modern coinbases carry OP_RETURN data like the SegWit witness commitment and pool tags.

Explorers sometimes misparse these, which makes normal stuff look spooky. Consensus rules are rather simple: coinbase can't be spent until 100 confirmations, and spending it later is just a regular spend(not a doublespend).

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

1. Did Satoshi Really Never Spend His Rewards?

Many people believe that Satoshi never used the coins he mined.
But when you check the blockchain carefully, you can see that some early rewards were actually spent.
Some of these blocks are from the time when Satoshi was still around.

Was it Satoshi? Or maybe other miners who used similar address ?were did they find the pk?
Maybe the old idea that “Satoshi never moved a coin” is not 100% true.

He used his bitcoins from mining, at least one time with a famous transaction. It is a first Peer to Peer transaction from Satoshi Nakamoto to Hal Finney.

For other bitcoins he has, we never know he spent it or not because we simply can not know which Bitcoin addresses, which bitcoins belong to any person if there is no public trace about that.
The first Bitcoin transaction was sent to Hal Finney.

When Satoshi announced the first release of the software, I grabbed it right away. I think I was the first person besides Satoshi to run bitcoin. I mined block 70-something, and I was the recipient of the first bitcoin transaction, when Satoshi sent ten coins to me as a test. I carried on an email conversation with Satoshi over the next few days, mostly me reporting bugs and him fixing them.

Was Satoshi a greedy miner?
The Return of the Deniers and the Revenge of Patoshi.
A New Mystery in Patoshi Timestamps.

[Stalker22]

What I really fond strange are early transactions that was spent no one more
Am talking about blocks  1245.  Tx
434aa6beb3213905410b3e538bfca104e680e9380fe4df4e8a442a2da654ff1d
1LNJ2Hx612Yf8uTxtojpTFPCniGHv2Aeok
This block reward not only spent by address owner
What I find very strange it also collected multiple block rewards in next blocks 4xxx back to 1245 address and then transfered them
If you got a minute you can check it you will find xxxx BTC that made it to 2014 if you continue more you will reach even recent days

Not block 1245 reward only which was 1/21/2009, 12:42:39  ,Even more block rewarded addresses made same thing if you look you will find reward from 33xxx spent back in early addresses and collected then distrputed again tell reach recent days

So, it seems like you are following some really old Bitcoin, from way back in January 2009.  You are seeing it get consolidated, moved around, and then spread out over the years right up to recent times.  Honestly, how is that strange?  Its just how some early Bitcoin has moved.  But this does not mean that these are Satoshi coins.

Maybe try explaining what you mean a bit clearer, though, because its kind of hard to follow.

[Stalker22]

So 90% address belongs to him
~

So your point is that you believe that these are Satoshis addresses that the coins were moved from?

Look, I dont know where you got that percentage from, but that still doesnt mean that Satoshi was the only one mining at the time.  There were others from the very beginning.  For example, it is common knowledge that at least Hal Finney (who received the first bitcoin transaction from Satoshi), Wei Dai and Nick Szabo were also involved in the early days of Bitcoin.  They may have been just a few enthusiasts, but still, since everyone was mining exclusively with their CPUs at the time, it means they could have mined as many blocks as they wanted.


edit:

I just found a topic from a member named Taras, who analyzed the transactions of the first 1,000 Bitcoin blocks back in 2014 and proved that the address 1LseHYUYUXkL4Jdd4YTTXvWNqDceTdQXrt belonged to the late Hal Finney.  You can read the whole topic here: Chain Archaeology - Answers from the early blockchain

[nutildah]

I just found a topic from a member named Taras, who analyzed the transactions of the first 1,000 Bitcoin blocks back in 2014 and proved that the address 1LseHYUYUXkL4Jdd4YTTXvWNqDceTdQXrt belonged to the late Hal Finney.  You can read the whole topic here: Chain Archaeology - Answers from the early blockchain

This is a great find, thanks for sharing. I thought they might be Hal Finney coins. Wonder if he sold that particular bunch in 2011. This is a good thread to read for anyone who is truly interested in early Bitcoin history. It explains some of the methodology used when identifying which blocks were mined by which miners. There are several other people who were actively mining Bitcoin in January 2009, including Martti Malmi (Sirius), co-founder of this very forum.