Observation about Signature Campaigns and Posting Rules

[Kasabus]

Hi guys, just want to share something I noticed about some signature campaigns that require posts in gambling section. Some ask 5, others 10, which is fine I guess since they promote gambling sites like casinos and sportsbook.

But what I noticed is that most of them say posting in the ANN thread is not required but encouraged. The thing is, that “encouraged” part kinda sounds like a must, coz if you think about it, of course the manager wants their campaigners to bump the ANN thread so it stays active and visible to potential gamblers.

The problem here, it could lead to spam. Honestly, there’s not much to really talk about in the ANN thread unless the casino keeps posting new promos or updates. So sometimes people just post anything just to make it look active. I remember reading from one old reputable member before, he said he doesn’t like campaigns that require posting in gambling or ANN thread coz it ruins the discussion with repetitive or meaningless posts.

Just imagine if there’s a campaign with 100 users and each one posts twice a week in the ANN thread, that’s already 200 posts every week, you can imagine how messy that would look.

Don’t get me wrong, this is just my observation, nothing against the campaigns that do this, but maybe it’s something worth checking if others notice the same issue too. Just curious how others see it, maybe I’m missing something.

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For an announcement thread of a gambling site to be very active as many people are posting there, that is what the gambling sites want. They like active announcement threads and they do not violate any rules on the forum. You do not need to wrongly observe something positive for a gambling site that is not affecting this forum in any way.

[Plaguedeath]

Well.


I'm rare to make a post in ANN thread, but I don't see it's wrong for a campaign that encourage the participant to make a post in ANN, as they wrote "encourage" not "must". I guess you're overthink about the campaign requirement, treating like you must post in ANN everyday/week.

[Zaguru12]

Just imagine if there’s a campaign with 100 users and each one posts twice a week in the ANN thread, that’s already 200 posts every week, you can imagine how messy that would look.

Don’t get me wrong, this is just my observation, nothing against the campaigns that do this, but maybe it’s something worth checking if others notice the same issue too. Just curious how others see it, maybe I’m missing something.

First let me start with it’s the rule of the campaign I think just like the older member you referenced had said you can actually just stay away from such campaign if you don’t actually like the rule.

Now as for encouraged I don’t think it’s a must because I have participated in many campaigns that actually encourages this but wasn’t a must except if stated, you might be right to actually say that such campaigns are looking for a way to keep their thread live, but I think they meant it in positive ways, like you visit most of tend to answer questions related to the casino’s there either reviewing the casino and actually making recommendations or aiding someone with help there but like you know most members actually go there and discuss things that I think are not even related to the casino.

So like I started leave if you’re uncomfortable about the campaign the forum cannot actually state a specific rule for campaigns except one that goes against the forum rules and this one isn’t. Moreover most threads in that board are for spammers

[Zlantann]

Don’t get me wrong, this is just my observation, nothing against the campaigns that do this, but maybe it’s something worth checking if others notice the same issue too. Just curious how others see it, maybe I’m missing something.

In some of these ANN threads, the casino representative is not active. Some just made the first post and didint come back to respond to questions and observations. The responsibility to make the ANN thread active lies more with the company than campaign participants. If they post attractive and interesting offers, members will be motivated to join in the discussions.

Contribution to the ANN thread should always be optional to avoid spam, since some participants would be forced to make unconstructive comments if it were made mandatory. In some threads, the discussions are just between campaign participants, which doesn't look nice.

[Kasabus]

I’ve read the replies above, and I just want to make it clear that what I said wasn’t about me personally, but more for those who read the posts in the ANN threads. Of course, I love joining campaigns, but my point was more about the possible downside that some might notice. I don’t want to call out any specific ANN thread, but I’ve seen posts where someone talks about their gambling experience, then others just quote and follow up with similar replies. Like if someone mentions KYC, suddenly the whole page becomes about KYC. And I rarely see those posts being reported, probably because it doesn’t look like spam to them.

What I’m trying to say is, too much posting in ANN threads can make it feel unnatural, especially if most of those replying are wearing the same campaign signature. It gives the impression that those users are only there to bump the thread and make it visible, which could make their comments look biased. You know what I mean?

Also, I’ve been wondering when we wear a casino’s signature, does that mean we’re promoting the casino directly? Because as far as I know, if you’re active in the gambling section, it’s okay to join a gambling campaign since that’s the main section they want activity in. I don’t have any issue with that since the gambling discussion board is naturally filled with posts and discussions anyway. But the ANN thread is supposed to be for important announcements, not general discussions.

Maybe it would help if the ANN threads were self-moderated, so the campaign rep could delete unnecessary replies without waiting for a forum moderator. They’d probably have better judgment on what fits, since they know how their product should be marketed.

[Plaguedeath]

What I’m trying to say is, too much posting in ANN threads can make it feel unnatural, especially if most of those replying are wearing the same campaign signature. It gives the impression that those users are only there to bump the thread and make it visible, which could make their comments look biased. You know what I mean?

Well, the participants should be more know about the project they promote than other users right? do you think if I'm promoting Metawin, I should know more about Winna?

Also, I’ve been wondering when we wear a casino’s signature, does that mean we’re promoting the casino directly? Because as far as I know, if you’re active in the gambling section, it’s okay to join a gambling campaign since that’s the main section they want activity in.

Nope, there was a Global Moderator wear a paid signature and explicitly mentioned if the project not endorsed by him.

There are few top users in this forum participating a gambling campaign without require to post in gambling board too.

Maybe it would help if the ANN threads were self-moderated, so the campaign rep could delete unnecessary replies without waiting for a forum moderator. They’d probably have better judgment on what fits, since they know how their product should be marketed.

You said above if "the manager wants their campaigners to bump the ANN thread", do you think the project representative/owner not wants that?

If the ANN threads were self moderated, the representative didn't delete spams instead they likely to delete people who post against them.

[EarnOnVictor]

But what I noticed is that most of them say posting in the ANN thread is not required but encouraged. The thing is, that “encouraged” part kinda sounds like a must, coz if you think about it, of course the manager wants their campaigners to bump the ANN thread so it stays active and visible to potential gamblers.
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Bro, this post is just unnecessary if I would be honest with you. I wonder why some people would just wake up one day and start writing a thing like this. To what end? There are better things to write that could probably add positively to this forum.

Campaign managers can manage their campaigns as they like, and they can motivate/encourage their campaigners as they like, so long as it doesn't break any forum rules.

Okay, at the worst, let's say they now mandate their campaigners to post in the ANN thread at least 1 or 2 times time a week, will the heavens fall? Or have they violated any forum rules?

The last time I checked, "encouragement" does translate to "compulsion," and I've never seen a CM refusing to pay a participant simply because such didn't post in the ANN thread, unless it is mandatory. So, for me, this is baseless!

[cryptoaddictchie]

I think the word encourage isn't considered as must since they just telling users to post there but not required. It's quite hard to post on Ann thread if you don't have any business at all there. Usually the people post there are engaging with topics they are also interested or got some concern or question about the platform.

Like others says there's a report moderator for those comments clearly just spamming alone or to have gambling quota for posting.

[CryptSafe]

I don't see anything wrong with members posting on announcement thread, as a matter of fact, the platform does not hold any penalty against it so members are free to post on announcement thread of the signature campaign they are wearing. That is another way of giving visibility to the project though.

What I will say is this, if there is any post you see on any announcement thread you feel is not woth it, you are free to use the report to moderator botton and that settles it.  However,  campaign reps should be very much active on their thread to make sure they engage and update the participants of their campaign and the community with information of development and other productive activities going on with their projects.

[Kasabus]

Okay, at the worst, let say they now mandate their campaigners to post in the ANN thread at least 1 or 2 times time a week, will the heavens fall? Or have they violated any forum rules?

You might be active in the forum, but you probably missed that this kind of rule can already be considered incentivizing post.
If the manager is requiring campaigners to post in the ANN thread just to stay qualified, that’s already a form of incentive since people are posting not because they want to discuss, but because it’s part of the payout condition.

[Ruttoshi]

It seems English is not your first language because I don't see how the word 'encourage' is similar in meaning to 'compulsory' it also shows that you haven't participated in any casino signature campaign before if not, you will know that it's not a must to post on their ANN thread.

I have participated in signature campaigns that I don't go close to their ANN and I still get paid without any warning from the campaign manager. Sometimes, on my own, I visit the casino ANN thread and make a post to show that I am happy promoting their brand. You can also post the casino promos or giveaways on their ANN yourself if you see it on X since the casino rep isn't active.

Some forum members do have issues with withdrawal and many more which the ANN thread is used for such complains and if the rep isn't available, forum members will help out to solve the problem if they can . The casino users also come to share their experience in the ANN for other forum members to know. It's only when uou don't have anything important to say, and just post in order to complete your quota is when you're spamming.

[Cookdata]

I'm not sure if have seen a "mandatory" and "encourage" is been force on any signature participants, not that I have seen a participants removed because they refused to engage on announcements thread. From what I observed, some managers convinced companies to come offer their services in Bitcointalk, that's why we often see an announcement thread opened here, it's going to look like they are been abandoned if they don't get engaged and welcomed to the forum that's why the managers do encourage participants and other users to show up there just so they can feel the importance of been in the forum.

If you observe very well, most announcements thread that doesn't have an active signature campaign on the forum are always on the back of the forum. The active companies are always on front page of each board. This is why you often see casino companies that doesn't have an active signature sometime do predictions thread so people can know about their service, some do sponsor contest just so to make an awareness.
I have never seen manager remove any participant that refused to engage in an announcement thread. I myself have participated in some campaigns with such line of rule and I don't think I remembered going to their announcement thread just to spam and was never removed throughout my stay.

[Kasabus]

It seems English is not your first language because I don't see how the word 'encourage' is similar in meaning to 'compulsory' it also shows that you haven't participated in any casino signature campaign before if not, you will know that it's not a must to post on their ANN thread.

If you read my post carefully and understand the context, you’ll see what I meant when I used the word “encourage.”

My point is, since it says encourage, some members might take it as something they have to do to stay in the campaign (I have to repeat that again). And with the lack of moderation in the ANN thread, it can easily turn messy.

I’m not against the campaign rules, what I’m pointing out is that if the ANN thread isn’t well moderated, that’s where the problem starts.

Please read my entire post again so you’ll fully get what I meant.

[EarnOnVictor]

Okay, at the worst, let say they now mandate their campaigners to post in the ANN thread at least 1 or 2 times time a week, will the heavens fall? Or have they violated any forum rules?

You might be active in the forum, but you probably missed that this kind of rule can already be considered incentivizing post.
If the manager is requiring campaigners to post in the ANN thread just to stay qualified, that’s already a form of incentive since people are posting not because they want to discuss, but because it’s part of the payout condition.

You could do better by providing links to prove your claims rather than rambling.

Aside from the fact that what the campaign managers are doing is not incentivising, as you wrongly claimed (because it is only natural to "encourage"), it's a choice. If you view the ANN encouragement as incentivising, how do you now view the 5 or 10 mandatory gambling posts? Differently, right?

What I see here is that you are pushing an over-controlling narrative, which is wrong. The campaign managers are doing just fine in my opinion. It's you who should learn to stop focusing on the non-existent.

[UchihaSarada]

Hi guys, just want to share something I noticed about some signature campaigns that require posts in gambling section. Some ask 5, others 10, which is fine I guess since they promote gambling sites like casinos and sportsbook.

But what I noticed is that most of them say posting in the ANN thread is not required but encouraged. The thing is, that “encouraged” part kinda sounds like a must, coz if you think about it, of course the manager wants their campaigners to bump the ANN thread so it stays active and visible to potential gamblers.

They don't require it because the forum has its an unofficial rules list and one of rules prohibit that requirement.
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ.
The rule is.

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Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned. <...>

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.
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It is always not organic to force people posting in your announcement thread as posters will make many no constructive posts, just to fill the campaign requirements.

The company, the campaign manager and the participants must follow rules and this guide.
Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign).

[Kasabus]

You could do better by providing links to prove your claims rather than rambling.

I’m not rambling, unless you didn’t really read what @UchihaSarada posted.

The point is clear, once a campaign requires posting in the ANN thread to stay qualified, it’s already incentivizing posts.

Okay, at the worst, let's say they now mandate their campaigners to post in the ANN thread at least 1 or 2 times time a week, will the heavens fall? Or have they violated any forum rules?

[Alpha Marine]

The problem here, it could lead to spam. Honestly, there’s not much to really talk about in the ANN thread unless the casino keeps posting new promos or updates. So sometimes people just post anything just to make it look active. I remember reading from one old reputable member before, he said he doesn’t like campaigns that require posting in gambling or ANN thread coz it ruins the discussion with repetitive or meaningless posts.

First of all, I've never seen a campaign that requires you to post in the ANN thread of that campaign to qualify for payment. What they do is to suggest that people in that campaign contribute to the announcement thread and partake in the contest being hosted by that campaign. Whether you post or not, as long as you meet the requirements of the campaign manager, you'll get paid, except that you break some forum rules or campaign rules.
I've been in about 3 campaigns on the forum, and I have never not been paid simply because I didn't post in the ANN thread. In fact, in all my campaigns, I can count how many times I've posted in the ANN thread of a campaign I'm in. They simply ask for feedback on the casino.

Like every other board or thread in the forum, you post there when you have something to say. ANN threads are not different.

[m2017]

The problem here, it could lead to spam.

If you're worried about spam on this forum, then suggest eliminating signature campaigns. After all, that also creates posts that aren't exactly for discussion. Well, you understand, after all, you're the one with the signature.

But what I noticed is that most of them say posting in the ANN thread is not required but encouraged. The thing is, that “encouraged” part kinda sounds like a must, coz if you think about it, of course the manager wants their campaigners to bump the ANN thread so it stays active and visible to potential gamblers.

I think you're exaggerating the problem, as no one is forcing you (or other participants in gambling signature campaigns) to post in ANN threads. You (or others) haven't been fined or warned for not posting in these threads, right? Not to mention being removed from participating in the signature campaign.

Therefore, I believe that if you have something to discuss in ANN threads, then do so. And if not, then no one is forcing you.

When it comes to the "purity" of posts, ideally, signature campaigns shouldn't have restrictions (requirements) on posting in certain sections, so forum participants can discuss the topics that interest them most. That is, managers shouldn't constrain posters and leave them free to express their creativity. However, I can only recall a few signature campaigns with such conditions. More often than not, there are always limits imposed by the specifics of the projects (usually gambling) and the final decision rests with the campaign managers.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

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I'm rare to make a post in ANN thread, but I don't see it's wrong for a campaign that encourage the participant to make a post in ANN, as they wrote "encourage" not "must". I guess you're overthink about the campaign requirement, treating like you must post in ANN everyday/week.

Oh Welsh with the [Unofficial Guide] Reporting effectively with many tricks on how to report well. If you understand about the forum, the availability of report button, and know about that guide on reporting, you can contribute to report spam posts, and reduce them in the forum.

Spam posts mostly are from signature campaigns especially with low payment rates and when the signature campaign managers tolerate with low value or even useless posts. Spammers if knowing that spam posts are eligible for payments will not hesitate to make such posts which help them earning money easily.