[Boxing] Donaire vs Tsutsumi for WBA Bantamweight Title Dec. 17

[Mr. Magkaisa]

In any case, for older boxers a long rest is much more better because it will give their knees more time to rest. This might be a risk for him to fight only after 5 months. However, yes, I still agree that he might be underestimated by the oddsmakers.

Yeah, I see it that way too. The bookies probably based the line more on Donaire’s age than his actual skill. For someone like me who’s been following Donaire, I know he still has the power to knock anyone out. In fact, out of all the boxers Inoue fought, Donaire was the only one who really gave him a tough fight, Inoue was clearly hurt in that one. It’s just unfortunate Donaire couldn’t finish him and ended up losing on the cards. Though yeah, the second fight clearly showed Inoue’s dominance.

What could be the reason though why Donaire wasn't able to finished Inoue on the first fight? I hate to say this but I'm also a fan of Donaire, but perhaps that could be the first fight that we have seen that his age is showing.

He got tired in the championship run, if he has a lot of gas tank left in him, he could have finished Inoue as Inoue was really protecting himself that time as he was seriously hurt. Going back to the fight, this Japanese Tsutsumi, maybe majority of us here didn't know that name or how good he is. Maybe we need to review some videos of him and see what is Donaire's chances against him as clearly, Nonito is the underdog.

This is true! Donaire was good at first and winning rounds. I hope he can blast for this game and finish it with victory.
With his fight wth the monster at Japan, I know he got tht game. I hope they fought in different country

Exactly 1 month from now, we will seee if Donaire needs to rest his gloves and make a permanent retirement or he can still punch for the belt.

[julerz12]

Another case of an almost-retiring boxer vs an upcoming young warrior from Japan.
While Donaire does have the reach and height advantage (and even the experience), his age might be a huge factor in this fight. He might have lower endurance and slower movement compared to his previous fights.
While Tsutsumi, on the other hand, is very young, albeit he has less experience in the ring than Donaire, still, most of the young fighters are eager to win no matter the stakes, plus he has the home advantage.
If Donaire can keep that 'Filipino Flash' image alive, along with his tremendous experience in the ring, he might have a chance to bring down Tsutsumi.

[coin-investor]

I still bet on Donaire. Tsutsumi does not have Inoue's power or speed. Donaire has given Inoue a tough match; if he can tune or condition his body, he has a good chance of beating Tsutsumi. Old boxers have endurance issues, so he needs to win the early rounds, or if possible, know Tsutsumi out.

If he cannot, he will have a hard time in the latter rounds, which are called the championship rounds, where judges are looking closely to determine who is better.
Donaire will need to summon everything he has learned and gone through to come out the winner of this fight.

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Honestly, it's tough for me to predict who'll win this fight. In his last bout against Campos, Donaire didn’t perform well—his trademark head movement and lethal left hook seemed to have deserted him. He couldn’t hurt Campos, although he did enough to win simply because Campos didn’t do much to threaten him either.

I agree with you—Donaire is extremely disciplined when it comes to training, and that might help offset the disadvantage of his age. I just hope his left hook can land early and rattle Tsutsumi enough to disrupt his game plan and tone down his aggression.

I’ll post my bet a few days before the fight.

yeah its really difficult to predict Donaire didn’t look sharp against Campos and if that same version shows up he is danger against a younger more aggressive fighter like Tsutsumi but the real with Donaire is the discipline & mindset he is not the type that will enter in half-prepared even at 43 you know he is conditioned. I think the key will be if he can bring back even half of that old timing & reflexes if he lands that left hook early & makes Tsutsumi hesitate the fight changes but if he can’t stop the pressure he might struggle in the later rounds.

[Questat]

I still bet on Donaire. Tsutsumi does not have Inoue's power or speed. Donaire has given Inoue a tough match; if he can tune or condition his body, he has a good chance of beating Tsutsumi. Old boxers have endurance issues, so he needs to win the early rounds, or if possible, know Tsutsumi out.

If he cannot, he will have a hard time in the latter rounds, which are called the championship rounds, where judges are looking closely to determine who is better.
Donaire will need to summon everything he has learned and gone through to come out the winner of this fight.

So it’s less than a month now before the fight. This would be a great Christmas present for us Filipinos if Donaire wins. Honestly there’s no real need to watch an old Donaire fight again, but since we only have a few Filipino champions left, it feels good to see a future Hall of Famer from the Philippines step in the ring one more time.

I hope the betting odds still haven’t changed because it’s very rare to see Donaire listed as an underdog.
Anyone here already bet on Donaire?

[Darker45]

I still bet on Donaire. Tsutsumi does not have Inoue's power or speed. Donaire has given Inoue a tough match; if he can tune or condition his body, he has a good chance of beating Tsutsumi. Old boxers have endurance issues, so he needs to win the early rounds, or if possible, know Tsutsumi out.

If he cannot, he will have a hard time in the latter rounds, which are called the championship rounds, where judges are looking closely to determine who is better.
Donaire will need to summon everything he has learned and gone through to come out the winner of this fight.

Yeah, Tsutsumi isn't as powerful and fast as Donaire, but Donaire himself is also not as powerful and fast as his old self. He's past his prime. Gone are the days when he's the flash and could finish the fight with just a single counter. If these two boxers met when they're both at the prime of their careers, Tsutsumi would certainly hit the canvas and retire early. But at 43, it's actually Donaire who's fighting an uphill battle.

Not only should Donaire summon everything that he has learned, he should also be fully aware that he's already old, that he isn't the flash anymore. I guess he should play the old, learned, wise, tricky boxer that he is. It's pointless to insist on a game plan as if he still got it. The body can't anymore execute the strategies intended for his younger self.

[btc_angela]

I still bet on Donaire. Tsutsumi does not have Inoue's power or speed. Donaire has given Inoue a tough match; if he can tune or condition his body, he has a good chance of beating Tsutsumi. Old boxers have endurance issues, so he needs to win the early rounds, or if possible, know Tsutsumi out.

If he cannot, he will have a hard time in the latter rounds, which are called the championship rounds, where judges are looking closely to determine who is better.
Donaire will need to summon everything he has learned and gone through to come out the winner of this fight.

Yeah, Tsutsumi isn't as powerful and fast as Donaire, but Donaire himself is also not as powerful and fast as his old self. He's past his prime. Gone are the days when he's the flash and could finish the fight with just a single counter. If these two boxers met when they're both at the prime of their careers, Tsutsumi would certainly hit the canvas and retire early. But at 43, it's actually Donaire who's fighting an uphill battle.

Not only should Donaire summon everything that he has learned, he should also be fully aware that he's already old, that he isn't the flash anymore. I guess he should play the old, learned, wise, tricky boxer that he is. It's pointless to insist on a game plan as if he still got it. The body can't anymore execute the strategies intended for his younger self.

I doubt that boxers like Donaire will think it that way. Otherwise, they will not go and push their body on the line and get hurt. For this kind of boxers, they still think that they have something inside of him.

Maybe similar to the mindset of Manny Pacquiao. We can only hope that Donaire might still have something in him that can turn himself into a prime version. Nevertheless, if he didn't show up and his body has really show the signs of him old already, then this might be his last professional fight.

[Darker45]

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Yeah, Tsutsumi isn't as powerful and fast as Donaire, but Donaire himself is also not as powerful and fast as his old self. He's past his prime. Gone are the days when he's the flash and could finish the fight with just a single counter. If these two boxers met when they're both at the prime of their careers, Tsutsumi would certainly hit the canvas and retire early. But at 43, it's actually Donaire who's fighting an uphill battle.

Not only should Donaire summon everything that he has learned, he should also be fully aware that he's already old, that he isn't the flash anymore. I guess he should play the old, learned, wise, tricky boxer that he is. It's pointless to insist on a game plan as if he still got it. The body can't anymore execute the strategies intended for his younger self.

I doubt that boxers like Donaire will think it that way. Otherwise, they will not go and push their body on the line and get hurt. For this kind of boxers, they still think that they have something inside of him.

Maybe similar to the mindset of Manny Pacquiao. We can only hope that Donaire might still have something in him that can turn himself into a prime version. Nevertheless, if he didn't show up and his body has really show the signs of him old already, then this might be his last professional fight.

Yeah, that has always been the tendency with fighters. They're convinced they still got it. Not only will it mislead them, that's also dangerous. It's hard to expect from them a truly objective assessment of their own condition. They'll always claim they're a hundred percent fit to fight. Aside from that, of course, they also want to continue getting those paychecks despite their age and condition.

Quite frankly, it's hoping against hope if you wish for Donaire to show up in his prime version. That's not happening. The reality is that in his last fights the signs were already there. Worse, he doesn't seem to adjust his strategy to his current capacity. He still tends to rely on that single shot. But his reflexes were obviously slowing down. And when hurt, he just throws those swings and haymakers.

[lionheart78]

I still bet on Donaire. Tsutsumi does not have Inoue's power or speed. Donaire has given Inoue a tough match; if he can tune or condition his body, he has a good chance of beating Tsutsumi. Old boxers have endurance issues, so he needs to win the early rounds, or if possible, know Tsutsumi out.

The thing in question here is, does Donaire still has his power and speed?  We have seen in his previous fight that his speed seems to left him already.  The quickness and reaction isn't the same as before, and it shown that age has already caught up to him.

If he cannot, he will have a hard time in the latter rounds, which are called the championship rounds, where judges are looking closely to determine who is better.
Donaire will need to summon everything he has learned and gone through to come out the winner of this fight.

Hopefully, Donaire can perform well and outpace his opponent.  12 win with 8 K.O is still very dangerous, assuming he fought opponents with tough physique, so Donaire need to be careful in this match.

[Yaunfitda]

I still bet on Donaire. Tsutsumi does not have Inoue's power or speed. Donaire has given Inoue a tough match; if he can tune or condition his body, he has a good chance of beating Tsutsumi. Old boxers have endurance issues, so he needs to win the early rounds, or if possible, know Tsutsumi out.

If he cannot, he will have a hard time in the latter rounds, which are called the championship rounds, where judges are looking closely to determine who is better.
Donaire will need to summon everything he has learned and gone through to come out the winner of this fight.

So it’s less than a month now before the fight. This would be a great Christmas present for us Filipinos if Donaire wins. Honestly there’s no real need to watch an old Donaire fight again, but since we only have a few Filipino champions left, it feels good to see a future Hall of Famer from the Philippines step in the ring one more time.

Maybe, but regardless of is it a holiday or not, Donaire should deliver. I don't know if there are still Filipinos champion left, as the likes of Japanese are taking over specially in the lower weight class. Very tough for Filipinos to be champion again. That's for sure, he will be a future HOF. No one can forget his left hook as he knocks out a lot of good to elite fighter with that one punch.

I hope the betting odds still haven’t changed because it’s very rare to see Donaire listed as an underdog.
Anyone here already bet on Donaire?

He is no longer in his prime that's why odd makers no longer favor Donaire. But we all know during his reign in the bantamweight, he as always the favorite as he is a champion and could be in the discussion for pound for pound back then.

[bisdak40]

The thing in question here is, does Donaire still has his power and speed?  We have seen in his previous fight that his speed seems to left him already.  The quickness and reaction isn't the same as before, and it shown that age has already caught up to him.

I agree that Donaire’s speed and reflexes have declined with age, but the upside in this fight is that Tsutsumi lacks experience, which could help offset Donaire’s disadvantage.
By the way, the fight is just a few days away, and Donaire is already in Japan. It’s clear he has a strong following there, as fans are showing up to support him.

[Dave1]

The thing in question here is, does Donaire still has his power and speed?  We have seen in his previous fight that his speed seems to left him already.  The quickness and reaction isn't the same as before, and it shown that age has already caught up to him.

I agree that Donaire’s speed and reflexes have declined with age, but the upside in this fight is that Tsutsumi lacks experience, which could help offset Donaire’s disadvantage.
By the way, the fight is just a few days away, and Donaire is already in Japan. It’s clear he has a strong following there, as fans are showing up to support him.

And maybe fighters like Donaire has that one fight inside of them wherein it was like they turn the hands of time. Just like Manny's performance against Thurman wherein everyone was surprised that he knockdown Thurman in the first round.

Hopefully this could happen to Donaire as you have said that his opponent doesn't have the experience and so with that, Donaire has the advantage. Just one left hook that time perfectly might change the fight itself and favors Donaire.

[rbynxx]

The thing in question here is, does Donaire still has his power and speed?  We have seen in his previous fight that his speed seems to left him already.  The quickness and reaction isn't the same as before, and it shown that age has already caught up to him.

I agree that Donaire’s speed and reflexes have declined with age, but the upside in this fight is that Tsutsumi lacks experience, which could help offset Donaire’s disadvantage.
By the way, the fight is just a few days away, and Donaire is already in Japan. It’s clear he has a strong following there, as fans are showing up to support him.

I definitely think Donaire isn't the favorites here and that experience is probably a good thing for those who are into huge odds. Having 25% chance for this fight is surely not good but if you take a look at his reach, he's definitely advantage as well in there. Setting aside the age I guess Donaire has still some dog in him but he should be very careful because his opponent is a knockout artist too.

[bisdak40]

I definitely think Donaire isn't the favorites here and that experience is probably a good thing for those who are into huge odds. Having 25% chance for this fight is surely not good but if you take a look at his reach, he's definitely advantage as well in there. Setting aside the age I guess Donaire has still some dog in him but he should be very careful because his opponent is a knockout artist too.

You’re right—Donaire is the underdog in this matchup, likely because of his age. I checked my local bookies, but they still haven’t listed the fight; I expect it will show up the day before. I also watched an interview with Tsutsumi, where he said he has great respect for Donaire and considers this the biggest fight of his career so far. For Donaire, that respect could actually be an advantage, since Tsutsumi might hold back from being overly aggressive.

[Darker45]

I definitely think Donaire isn't the favorites here and that experience is probably a good thing for those who are into huge odds. Having 25% chance for this fight is surely not good but if you take a look at his reach, he's definitely advantage as well in there. Setting aside the age I guess Donaire has still some dog in him but he should be very careful because his opponent is a knockout artist too.

Yeah, it seems Nonito has a significant reach advantage. He should make the most of it against Tsutsumi. However, I'm afraid the man has already developed his nature as a boxer. Donaire isn't the kind of fighter who makes the most of jabs, nor is he one who builds up points. He's mainly an explosive counter-puncher. Rather than setting up, his tendency is to wait for that right moment to throw a powerful hook. I think he's more on throwing power-punches rather than jabs.

I can only hope he's made the necessary adjustments in his strategies and trainings considering all the factors that can't be set aside like reflex, speed, and the like. 

[bisdak40]

Just saw in my social media feed that both Donaire and Tsutsumi made the weights, so we have a fight.
Attaching also some of the betting options on our local bookies and it seems it is very attractive to bet for Donaire to win via decision @8.30.
Haven't pulled the trigger yet but definitely i'll be backing Donaire.

[lombok]

I definitely think Donaire isn't the favorites here and that experience is probably a good thing for those who are into huge odds. Having 25% chance for this fight is surely not good but if you take a look at his reach, he's definitely advantage as well in there. Setting aside the age I guess Donaire has still some dog in him but he should be very careful because his opponent is a knockout artist too.

Yeah, it seems Nonito has a significant reach advantage. He should make the most of it against Tsutsumi. However, I'm afraid the man has already developed his nature as a boxer. Donaire isn't the kind of fighter who makes the most of jabs, nor is he one who builds up points. He's mainly an explosive counter-puncher. Rather than setting up, his tendency is to wait for that right moment to throw a powerful hook. I think he's more on throwing power-punches rather than jabs.

I can only hope he's made the necessary adjustments in his strategies and trainings considering all the factors that can't be set aside like reflex, speed, and the like. 

The coordination of incidentally accurate hand eye action is vital at the point of need when it comes to deadly counter attacks, and this type of coordination undoubtedly deteriorates throughout the career of an athlete. The most rational approach to counter the swiftness of an opponent without jeopardizing their life involves maximizing such physical benefits as arm length.

The modification to a more technical fighter should be a must to prolong our breath during the latter rounds making a shift out of an aggressive fighter. This assessment is important in order to prevent unpleasant failures because of unnecessarily holding on to old fashion.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Just saw in my social media feed that both Donaire and Tsutsumi made the weights, so we have a fight.
Attaching also some of the betting options on our local bookies and it seems it is very attractive to bet for Donaire to win via decision @8.30.
Haven't pulled the trigger yet but definitely i'll be backing Donaire.

Donaire via decision is a good choice. We have an old fighter and  the power is lesser that what he can.
But the odds telling that this game is a 1 sided match and donaire has a very little chance to win. But still, Our hearts belong to our kababayan.
Donaire will win this tomorrow! PUSO!

[Yaunfitda]

I saw a video of Donaire talking that he is willing to take any fights as long as they call his name. And even if he is already old and could be out of his prime already, I think the heart and motivation is still with him and so he is willing to take that risk. And in this fight, he will have a change to crack at the belt again so for sure he is all go for this name and his opponent might not be as good as what others says specially that we haven't heard his name. And since he is the underdog here, it's good to see that his supporters and backers here pulling that trigger to bet on him to win by ML as the return is huge.

[Questat]

I saw a video of Donaire talking that he is willing to take any fights as long as they call his name. And even if he is already old and could be out of his prime already, I think the heart and motivation is still with him and so he is willing to take that risk. And in this fight, he will have a change to crack at the belt again so for sure he is all go for this name and his opponent might not be as good as what others says specially that we haven't heard his name. And since he is the underdog here, it's good to see that his supporters and backers here pulling that trigger to bet on him to win by ML as the return is huge.

Donaire is always interested in fighting because there’s money involved. Even though he’s already old, he can still win. Only Inoue was able to stop him, the rest, even the younger ones, couldn’t really do much to him. So this fight is today. Do you know where it will be streamed? If there’s still a free stream on social media, that would be nice so we don’t have to pay for a subscription.