[Boxing] Donaire vs Tsutsumi for WBA Bantamweight Title Dec. 17

[Shinpako09]

Here's the odds I found for anyone who's interested. This is a close match, Donaire has a fast strong punch and has a lot of experience in the ring but due to his age and possibly slow reflexes (Possibly get from many years of fight) he might slow down compared to Seiya Tsutsumi. Even though he's a fresh fighter, his legs, stamina is at peak and even though Donaire do have much experience, if he can't compete with Seiya's speed, power and stamina, he will catch up and might deliver a KO.

Personally the odds isn't bad at all, the odds is high on Donaire and I wanted to place a bet on it but I've seen his previous matches and it's wasn't like before, he's a little bit slow although there's still the power but due to age and stamina, he's getting a hard time or perfect timing to give his power punches.

The odds are attractive for Donaire, but it really is a gamble. His age is probably one of the reasons. He has become slower, unlike Pacquiao, who also became slower compared to his prime but still looks much better in shape. Just look at Pacman’s last fight, he almost won, and others even thought he did. If only his condition were the same as Pacman’s, maybe he’d be the favorite to win. If he loses this time, I think that’s enough, he should hang up his gloves. He’s already proven himself and is possibly a future HOF.

[acroman08]

any early betting odds/?

Here's what I found on betcoin.ag, and from the looks of it, Donaire will be the underdog. Judging that he lost twice in his last 3 fights and his age, it is understandable that he would be an underdog. That being said, Donaire have the advantage in experience, height and reach, if he capitalises on that, he could dominate the fight, but if he runs out of stamina, he'll most likely lose.

[rakebit]

Donaire still has great technique, but age might be catching up, Tsutsumi’s pace could be tough over full rounds. I’d watch early to see how Donaire handles the exchanges before betting live. Timing the odds shift mid-fight can sometimes give better value.

Who do you think has the stamina edge this time?

[FinneysTrueVision]

It’s unclear who is even the current WBA world champion. Tsutsumi was champion, but he got injured and was named champion in recess. Antonio Vargas was the interim champion, then was elevated to full champion and was supposed to fight Tsutsumi, but he withdrew due to personal issues. Donaire, who despite not having won in almost 4 years, fought for an interim belt and won it. Now Donaire will either be elevated or Tsutsumi will be reinstated.

All of the WBA shenanigans aside, it will be interesting to see if Donaire can become a legitimate champion inside the ring at his current age. The Japanese fighter is dangerous, with one of his earlier fights resulting in his opponent’s death. He will apply pressure and make it a slugfest. Donaire will have to fight intelligently, but I’m not sure he still has the reflexes and movement to evade the aggressive style of Tsutsumi.

[Darker45]

All of the WBA shenanigans aside, it will be interesting to see if Donaire can become a legitimate champion inside the ring at his current age. The Japanese fighter is dangerous, with one of his earlier fights resulting in his opponent’s death. He will apply pressure and make it a slugfest. Donaire will have to fight intelligently, but I’m not sure he still has the reflexes and movement to evade the aggressive style of Tsutsumi.

Donaire has high ring IQ. He's an intelligent boxer, one who can take advantage of aggressive pressures. He can counter very well. And his counter punches aren't without power. The big problem now is the execution. At his age, speed, reflexes, quick movements, ability to sustain them for many rounds must have already waned significantly.

If the younger Japanese fighter maintains the level of pressure all throughout the fight and Donaire won't be able to land a hook that makes the opponent respect him, it'll be hard for Donaire to survive. Donaire isn't a boxer who makes the most of clinching. He often maintains a certain distance. Perhaps he should try learning that art because he's already an old veteran fighting against a young and hungry opponent.

[bisdak40]

Donaire has high ring IQ. He's an intelligent boxer, one who can take advantage of aggressive pressures. He can counter very well. And his counter punches aren't without power. The big problem now is the execution. At his age, speed, reflexes, quick movements, ability to sustain them for many rounds must have already waned significantly.

If the younger Japanese fighter maintains the level of pressure all throughout the fight and Donaire won't be able to land a hook that makes the opponent respect him, it'll be hard for Donaire to survive. Donaire isn't a boxer who makes the most of clinching. He often maintains a certain distance. Perhaps he should try learning that art because he's already an old veteran fighting against a young and hungry opponent.

Good observation—Donaire isn't the clinching type and might opt to slug it out early, much like he did in his rematch with Inoue. I just hope he can land some of those lethal left hooks to keep Tsutsumi at bay. Otherwise, he could be in serious trouble against Tsutsumi's relentless pressure. Donaire showed clear signs of decline in his bout with Campos; had that fight gone the full twelve rounds, the outcome might have swung the other way. For this match, he needs to make an impact early—or better yet, score a knockout—because if it drags on, things could get rough for him.

[bbc.reporter]

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Yes, it’s official—Nonito Donaire is stepping back into the ring on December 17 in Tokyo, taking on WBA champion-in-recess Seiya Tsutsumi.
Tsutsumi, just 29 years old, boasts an unbeaten record of 12 wins, 3 draws, and 8 knockouts. While his youth and momentum are undeniable, the edge in experience belongs to Donaire, who at 43 remains one of boxing’s most seasoned warriors.

So the question stands: Does the Filipino Flash still have what it takes to reclaim championship glory?

What are the odds for this? I reckon that this will be Nonito Donaire? If it is him, there is certainly a chance that he can prove everyone wrong similar to what he has done against Oubali where Donaire has punched the opponent with a left uppercut.

On Tsutsumi, if he will have the victory, Nonito Donaire's big name in boxing will certainly be a nice addition to his record.

[bisdak40]

@bbc.reporter The early odds favor Tsutsumi, which makes sense given Donaire’s age and mileage in the sport. You're right—if Tsutsumi beats Donaire this December, it would be a significant feather in his cap. I think that outcome is likely, especially if Donaire fails to earn Tsutsumi’s respect early with his power. Without that deterrent, Tsutsumi might stay aggressive and take over the fight.

Here's what I found on betcoin.ag, and from the looks of it, Donaire will be the underdog. Judging that he lost twice in his last 3 fights and his age, it is understandable that he would be an underdog. That being said, Donaire have the advantage in experience, height and reach, if he capitalises on that, he could dominate the fight, but if he runs out of stamina, he'll most likely lose.

[Dave1]

ctto

Yes, it’s official—Nonito Donaire is stepping back into the ring on December 17 in Tokyo, taking on WBA champion-in-recess Seiya Tsutsumi.
Tsutsumi, just 29 years old, boasts an unbeaten record of 12 wins, 3 draws, and 8 knockouts. While his youth and momentum are undeniable, the edge in experience belongs to Donaire, who at 43 remains one of boxing’s most seasoned warriors.

So the question stands: Does the Filipino Flash still have what it takes to reclaim championship glory?

What are the odds for this? I reckon that this will be Nonito Donaire? If it is him, there is certainly a chance that he can prove everyone wrong similar to what he has done against Oubali where Donaire has punched the opponent with a left uppercut.

On Tsutsumi, if he will have the victory, Nonito Donaire's big name in boxing will certainly be a nice addition to his record.

It's going to be Tsutsumi stepping stone if he will beat the aging Donaire. Just to bad to think that Donaire will be used like this, but he still wanted to fight so he is willing to put his legendary career on the line.

But still going to be 50:50 I think if Donaire can bring back the time and crack Tsutsumi with his left hook. That is the only scenario that I can see wherein Donaire can win. Time Tsutsumi with his left hook just like what he did on Oubali, left upper or his hook to end the fight easy.

[aioc]

There are two Tsutsumis in boxing; the other one is Reito. Seiya is a slugger, but not as skilled as Donaire. If Donaire can shrug off ring rust and be in his former shape and skill, he will have an easy time dealing with Tsutsumi. The guy is not really a hard puncher like Inoue, but he can capitalize on his youth and Donaire's long layoff.
I still trust Donaire to make a comeback like he always has, but age will be a big factor; let's see if it hinders him from implementing his plan. I just hope he still has the power and the timing of his left hook.

[bisdak40]

There are two Tsutsumis in boxing; the other one is Reito. Seiya is a slugger, but not as skilled as Donaire. If Donaire can shrug off ring rust and be in his former shape and skill, he will have an easy time dealing with Tsutsumi. The guy is not really a hard puncher like Inoue, but he can capitalize on his youth and Donaire's long layoff.
I still trust Donaire to make a comeback like he always has, but age will be a big factor; let's see if it hinders him from implementing his plan. I just hope he still has the power and the timing of his left hook.

Seiya Tsutsumi, just 29 years old, has compiled an impressive record of 12 wins in 15 fights, with 8 victories coming by knockout—a testament to his punching power. However, most of those knockouts were against lesser-known opponents, and he has yet to face someone of Nonito Donaire’s caliber. That’s why this bout is pivotal for Tsutsumi: a win over Donaire, a future Hall of Famer, would be a major milestone and elevate his credibility in the boxing world. As I mentioned earlier, Donaire needs to establish his power early in the fight to earn Tsutsumi’s respect. If he doesn’t, Tsutsumi might charge forward relentlessly, which could wear Donaire down and prove dangerous in the later rounds.

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Seiya Tsutsumi, just 29 years old, has compiled an impressive record of 12 wins in 15 fights, with 8 victories coming by knockout—a testament to his punching power. However, most of those knockouts were against lesser-known opponents, and he has yet to face someone of Nonito Donaire’s caliber. That’s why this bout is pivotal for Tsutsumi: a win over Donaire, a future Hall of Famer, would be a major milestone and elevate his credibility in the boxing world. As I mentioned earlier, Donaire needs to establish his power early in the fight to earn Tsutsumi’s respect. If he doesn’t, Tsutsumi might charge forward relentlessly, which could wear Donaire down and prove dangerous in the later rounds.

I agree Tsutsumi’s power looks solid on paper but most of his knock outs came from lower tier opponents. Facing someone like Donaire is a whole different level if Donaire can land that signature left hook early and make Tsutsumi think twice about rushing in it could swing the momentum in his favour still at 43 conditioning and timing will be the real tests hoping the Filipino Flash still got that fire left in him.

[Darker45]

I agree Tsutsumi’s power looks solid on paper but most of his knock outs came from lower tier opponents. Facing someone like Donaire is a whole different level if Donaire can land that signature left hook early and make Tsutsumi think twice about rushing in it could swing the momentum in his favour still at 43 conditioning and timing will be the real tests hoping the Filipino Flash still got that fire left in him.

In fairness to this man, you can't expect his resume to be that fantastic. He's just rising. He just got his belt last year by defeating Naoya's younger brother. But that was already a big win for him, although he wasn't able to knock Takuma out. Secondly, the man has mostly fought in Tokyo, something that's common among Japanese fighters. Opponents will be somewhat limited in this setup.

The disadvantage with Donaire is that he isn't a volume puncher. He may land a good left hook but without a quick follow-up or, better yet, finishing blows, the opponent will have sufficient time to recover. And for a younger opponent, the recovery will be fast. I can only hope that Donaire will be quick to take advantage out of a solid counter.

[bbc.reporter]

@bbc.reporter The early odds favor Tsutsumi, which makes sense given Donaire’s age and mileage in the sport. You're right—if Tsutsumi beats Donaire this December, it would be a significant feather in his cap. I think that outcome is likely, especially if Donaire fails to earn Tsutsumi’s respect early with his power. Without that deterrent, Tsutsumi might stay aggressive and take over the fight.

Here's what I found on betcoin.ag, and from the looks of it, Donaire will be the underdog. Judging that he lost twice in his last 3 fights and his age, it is understandable that he would be an underdog. That being said, Donaire have the advantage in experience, height and reach, if he capitalises on that, he could dominate the fight, but if he runs out of stamina, he'll most likely lose.

What is your analysis for this fight? The contrarian in me wants to bet on Donaire because even in his old age and a boxer late in his career, his attitude for the sport is very much similar to Pacman. Donaire wants to still win fights in boxing and prove himself that he can win against these young fighters. This is a very different attitude if we compare this to Johnriel Casimero who might have given up on creating his legacy in boxing.

Also, Donaire had a 2 years rest. I reckon this might be an advantage for his stamina.

[Viscore]

Also, Donaire had a 2 years rest. I reckon this might be an advantage for his stamina.

Donaire still got the skills, so I believe he can still win even against younger fighters,  as long as his opponent isn’t on the same level as Inoue.

And based on his record, he’s not really inactive either. He actually fought and won in June 2025, you can check it on https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/48243
So with that in mind, I’d say Donaire is definitely undervalued here.

[bbc.reporter]

@Viscore. Thank you for showing me. I did not know or I might have forgotten or I have not noticed that Nonito Donaire has fought this year and has gotten the victory hehehe.

In any case, for older boxers a long rest is much more better because it will give their knees more time to rest. This might be a risk for him to fight only after 5 months. However, yes, I still agree that he might be underestimated by the oddsmakers.

[Questat]

In any case, for older boxers a long rest is much more better because it will give their knees more time to rest. This might be a risk for him to fight only after 5 months. However, yes, I still agree that he might be underestimated by the oddsmakers.

Yeah, I see it that way too. The bookies probably based the line more on Donaire’s age than his actual skill. For someone like me who’s been following Donaire, I know he still has the power to knock anyone out. In fact, out of all the boxers Inoue fought, Donaire was the only one who really gave him a tough fight, Inoue was clearly hurt in that one. It’s just unfortunate Donaire couldn’t finish him and ended up losing on the cards. Though yeah, the second fight clearly showed Inoue’s dominance.

[bbc.reporter]

@Questat. Agreed on the first fight was Donaire giving Inoue a tougher fight than Inoue's other opponents. However, it can also be argued that Naoya Inoue did not have enough experience during the time of the first fight and Donaire was already an older fighter with very much plenty of experience already. The rematch certainly showed Nonito Donaire's age but he is not that old to win against boxers who have lower rank than Inoue hehehehe.

These boxers from the Philippines are certainly very much created from rock and metal hehe. If Johnriel Casimero can repair his mind, I reckon he can fight for many more years.

[bisdak40]

What is your analysis for this fight? The contrarian in me wants to bet on Donaire because even in his old age and a boxer late in his career, his attitude for the sport is very much similar to Pacman. Donaire wants to still win fights in boxing and prove himself that he can win against these young fighters. This is a very different attitude if we compare this to Johnriel Casimero who might have given up on creating his legacy in boxing.

Also, Donaire had a 2 years rest. I reckon this might be an advantage for his stamina.

Honestly, it's tough for me to predict who'll win this fight. In his last bout against Campos, Donaire didn’t perform well—his trademark head movement and lethal left hook seemed to have deserted him. He couldn’t hurt Campos, although he did enough to win simply because Campos didn’t do much to threaten him either.

I agree with you—Donaire is extremely disciplined when it comes to training, and that might help offset the disadvantage of his age. I just hope his left hook can land early and rattle Tsutsumi enough to disrupt his game plan and tone down his aggression.

I’ll post my bet a few days before the fight.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

In any case, for older boxers a long rest is much more better because it will give their knees more time to rest. This might be a risk for him to fight only after 5 months. However, yes, I still agree that he might be underestimated by the oddsmakers.

Yeah, I see it that way too. The bookies probably based the line more on Donaire’s age than his actual skill. For someone like me who’s been following Donaire, I know he still has the power to knock anyone out. In fact, out of all the boxers Inoue fought, Donaire was the only one who really gave him a tough fight, Inoue was clearly hurt in that one. It’s just unfortunate Donaire couldn’t finish him and ended up losing on the cards. Though yeah, the second fight clearly showed Inoue’s dominance.

What could be the reason though why Donaire wasn't able to finished Inoue on the first fight? I hate to say this but I'm also a fan of Donaire, but perhaps that could be the first fight that we have seen that his age is showing.

He got tired in the championship run, if he has a lot of gas tank left in him, he could have finished Inoue as Inoue was really protecting himself that time as he was seriously hurt. Going back to the fight, this Japanese Tsutsumi, maybe majority of us here didn't know that name or how good he is. Maybe we need to review some videos of him and see what is Donaire's chances against him as clearly, Nonito is the underdog.