Whiskywin/Chilistakes are they the same casino?

[yahoo62278]

I noticed a new casino popped up a couple days ago and was reading through the comments in their thread when I noticed they were picking n choosing which users to reply to.

SO minimum deposit for vip transfer is 10k?

Sorry but how do you expect people here to trust a new casino that easily 

This comment being the main comment that I felt needed answered with the recent string of shitty scam casinos lately. Chilistakes, betmanor, betnomi, come to mind.

So I commented and quoted rohang.

SO minimum deposit for vip transfer is 10k?

Sorry but how do you expect people here to trust a new casino that easily 

@whiskywin you skipped over probably 1 of the more important questions that has been asked so far. I know you're probably bombarded with marketing offers and overwhelmed with other inquiries in this thread, but lately there has been a wave a POS scamming shitholes offering some crazy deals only to disappear with user funds. Quick cash grab and out.

So the question remains, why should we trust you with 10k?

It's possible that they missed the question but unlikely. Nothing to worry about as long as they get to answering it I suppose. Here is their response.

SO minimum deposit for vip transfer is 10k?

Sorry but how do you expect people here to trust a new casino that easily 

Yes, the minimum deposit to get instant VIP Transfer is 10k in any crypto currency - USD equivalent.

How do we expect people to trust?
Simple. We are experienced crypto, and igaming team
We have a liqudity providers behind us, and whiskywin is not just another home made, spaghetti code casino.

Another reason, for it is simple:

Why would anybody become our The Godfather if he is not the real Boss?

I know these days there are a lot of "fake" or self called bosses around, but what's the point of it?
We don't want to spend resources (Around 5-10 drunk people - are working on a single VIP player daily 24/7)
Real Godfathers are welcome to do VIP Transfer Month. 

Had nothing else been posted I would have left things be and let them try to conduct business but then salas daging posted this

I would like to ask if Whiskywin.com is still the same company as chilistakes.com which is experiencing fraud?

Fraud allegations about chilistakes.com - Chilistakes.com holding funds ($3000+) for 30 days

Your company name is the same as chilistakes.com.

Whiskywin

Code:

MBZF Digital Entertainment Group Limitada
Address
Ofident Building, Office 3 Costa Rican North American Cultural Center, 200M North and 50M East, San Pedro, Barrio Dent, San Jose, Costa Rica

chilistakes

Code:

chilistakes.com is owned and operated by MBZF Digital Entertainment Group Limitada (Reg. No. 3102918820, located in San Pedro, Barrio Dent, Centro Cultural Costarricense Nortamericano, Costa Rica)

To which they replied

Heyhey

Nice catch man. I would have to disappoint you, but the brands are not connected between each other. The license holder company is the same, but Operations and platforms are completely different 🙂

Cheers, one glass of whisky for you 🥃

So my question is are they the same company? Is Chilistakes trying to disappear and rebrand? They locked their thread and owe at least 1 user 3k, who knows how many others might have money stuck there.

Someone who knows more about domains please enlighten me as to whether the 2 sites are connected because currently I believe they 100% are.

[leonair]

Both sites may be the same. Both sites are licensed under the same company name. (MBZF Digital Entertainment Group Limitada) with same Address.

- Both Domain purchase from www.namecheap.com with who is protection for hiding register information
https://who.is/whois/whiskywin.com
https://who.is/whois/chilistakes.com

- Other payment methods except cryoto are the same. Visa, Master Card, Skrill, Bank, Interac. It seems to be using the same payment gateway merchant API

More investigation - ongoing....

[rohang]

I didnt get time to do research on this, thanks for starting this

As soon as i read their ANN, trying to sound edgy and 'cool' , it reminded me of chillistakes. I had a gut feeling they are the same people

This time its even more insane as they are expecting people to do vip transfer by depositing 10k
I hope no one falls for this obvious BS

[albon]

Both sites may be the same. Both sites are licensed under the same company name. (MBZF Digital Entertainment Group Limitada) with same Address.

- Both Domain purchase from www.namecheap.com with who is protection for hiding register information
https://who.is/whois/whiskywin.com
https://who.is/whois/chilistakes.com

- Other payment methods except cryoto are the same. Visa, Master Card, Skrill, Bank, Interac. It seems to be using the same payment gateway merchant API

If the owning company is the same, the registration number is identical, the licensing authority is the same (the Government of Anjouan), the license number is the same (ALSI-202411080-FI2), and the country of registration is the same, how can it be claimed that the two brands are not connected?



Chilistakes: Verification Link

WhiskyWin: Verification Link

What I see is that the only difference is in the interface of the two platforms and the age of the domains. Legally and regulatorily, they both belong to the same entity and are under the same oversight authority..

What the WhiskyWin representative wrote is an attempt to mislead users,, because there’s no logical reason for all these details to be identical if the operations were truly separate.

It seems to me that Chilistakes wants to continue its operations under the new name WhiskyWin after losing its reputation in the forum. It's good that our respected members uncovered this great catch.

This time its even more insane as they are expecting people to do vip transfer by depositing 10k

We can provide no deposit/no bonus bottle of whisky for you, but where, as we DO NOT REQUIRE KYC for Crypto people?

Also, how come they don't require KYC when this clearly contradicts their own Terms and Conditions, specifically section 2.8 and section 11.4?? KYC is not optional but mandatory and if the documents are not submitted within 30 days, they will close the account and confiscate the winnings.

[yahoo62278]

Both sites may be the same. Both sites are licensed under the same company name. (MBZF Digital Entertainment Group Limitada) with same Address.

- Both Domain purchase from www.namecheap.com with who is protection for hiding register information
https://who.is/whois/whiskywin.com
https://who.is/whois/chilistakes.com

- Other payment methods except cryoto are the same. Visa, Master Card, Skrill, Bank, Interac. It seems to be using the same payment gateway merchant API

If the owning company is the same, the registration number is identical, the licensing authority is the same (the Government of Anjouan), the license number is the same (ALSI-202411080-FI2), and the country of registration is the same, how can it be claimed that the two brands are not connected?

What I see is that the only difference is in the interface of the two platforms and the age of the domains. Legally and regulatorily, they both belong to the same entity and are under the same oversight authority..

What the WhiskyWin representative wrote is an attempt to mislead users,, because there’s no logical reason for all these details to be identical if the operations were truly separate.

It seems to me that Chilistakes wants to continue its operations under the new name WhiskyWin after losing its reputation in the forum. It's good that our respected members uncovered this great catch.

Salad daging is the user who deserves the credit. I am just suspicious and hope this thread stops a potential scam.

[albon]

Salad daging is the user who deserves the credit. I am just suspicious and hope this thread stops a potential scam.

Thanks to both of you for your efforts in investigating this.

Have you noticed the affiliate page on the WhiskyWin.com platform promoting HotAff.com, which identifies itself as “the exclusive affiliate program for ChiliStakes.com”?



This strongly suggests that they are not a separate entity as they claim, since the marketing company exclusively promotes ChiliStakes.com and even refers to it as “our brand” on its homepage.

All the evidence so far clearly points to the fact that they are the same entity.

[yahoo62278]

Salad daging is the user who deserves the credit. I am just suspicious and hope this thread stops a potential scam.

Thanks to both of you for your efforts in investigating this.

Have you noticed the affiliate page on the WhiskyWin.com platform promoting HotAff.com, which identifies itself as “the exclusive affiliate program for ChiliStakes.com”?



This strongly suggests that they are not a separate entity as they claim, since the marketing company exclusively promotes ChiliStakes.com and even refers to it as “our brand” on its homepage.

All the evidence so far clearly points to the fact that they are the same entity.

Currently tagged for the safety of the users. The casino is welcome to respond here and try to convince me otherwise, but I think in this case with the evidence it's definitely better safe then sorry.

I wonder if Trofo and crptofrka might take a look at the website and give their opinion. Assuming they are familiar with Chilistakes from their involvement with their campaign for them. Maybe they will see something to better cement the proof.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

They are certainly the same. The branding is different so they can/could stay under the radar, especially after Chilistakes decided to pull off a scam that was quite uncool. This reminds me of the 1xbit saga and a dozen other similar platforms that were “sister” casinos, but most of them would then disappear as soon as they got linked.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

So my question is are they the same company? Is Chilistakes trying to disappear and rebrand? They locked their thread and owe at least 1 user 3k, who knows how many others might have money stuck there.

Someone who knows more about domains please enlighten me as to whether the 2 sites are connected because currently I believe they 100% are.

I will not think twice before I believe that the both sites are the same and also operated by the same team..
One thing  or one way i try to ensure I stay safe on the internet is when a site turns out to be a fraudulent site, I check the company that site is registered under, and later in the future, any site that comes under that same company, I automatically assume that site is a scam too, it doesn't matter to me of the site turns out not to be scam, I simply can never trust the site..

Thinking about this particular situation again, the company which Chilistakes is registered under which is MBZF Digital Entertainment Group Limitada isn't so popular, and I am wondering what exactly must have attracted Whiskywin to register under this very same company if they and Chilistakes aren't connected???

I believe both casinos are the same and nothing anybody says can change my mind..

[God Of Thunder]

I won't go there, but I will leave my personal opinion.
I have worked with only a few brands so far, and they also have sister sites. I have worked with Spinly, which has another casino named Bspin; both sites are owned and operated by the same company and persons. I mentioned Owned and Operated, because the operation team could be different. We all knew Sportsbet, Bitcasino, and livecasino were owned by Yologroup, but the operational teams were different (if I am not wrong). I am currently working with two more casinos, which also have sister sites. When I reached out to my contact to see if they would bring their sister site here as well, they responded that the operation team is different.

Therefore, there is always a possibility that the owner remains the same, but the operational team is different. I believe that the operational team makes the majority of decisions. The owners are barely aware of these situations. Let's say the operational team is different here, and one team is being penalised because of another operational team within their company. It is happening because the same company owns them.

I am not telling you what is right or wrong, but it's just my personal opinion. You should get to know them before passing judgment.

[The Cryptovator]

I have worked with only a few brands so far, and they also have sister sites. I have worked with Spinly, which has another casino named Bspin; both sites are owned and operated by the same company and persons. I mentioned Owned and Operated, because the operation team could be different. We all knew Sportsbet, Bitcasino, and livecasino were owned by Yologroup, but the operational teams were different (if I am not wrong). I am currently working with two more casinos, which also have sister sites. When I reached out to my contact to see if they would bring their sister site here as well, they responded that the operation team is different.

It doesn't matter even if a single company or owner operates hundreds of casinos if they operate in a legit way, like your examples. If they operate a scam casino, then we can't even welcome them to operate a single casino, and that's the fact. There would be allegations against all of the casino, but we have to see who are friendly enough to solve or show the valid reasons regarding the issue raised. A scam by the casino, and rebranding to a new casino won't be welcome on the forum anyway.

Therefore, there is always a possibility that the owner remains the same, but the operational team is different. I believe that the operational team makes the majority of decisions. The owners are barely aware of these situations. Let's say the operational team is different here, and one team is being penalised because of another operational team within their company. It is happening because the same company owns them.

If a casino becomes a scam, the owner can't ignore the responsibility. The owner has ultimate power to check everything; he just can't sleep, and the team does everything. It's like you are a campaign manager, but you have a team to help you make payments and count weekly posts. If something goes wrong, then ultimately everyone will blame you, and there is no way for you to ignore that responsibility. Regarding allegations and negative feedback on the forum, the owner should be aware if he is serious about his business. Because when a team face any issues, they should let the owner know about it. In such a case, we can't give the advantage of the doubts.

[hopenotlate]

It seems perfectly clear to me that the two sites are owned by the same entity.
Also the timing of a site being born about a week after the other is hit by an accusation of fraud is not a very fortunate one.

The fact that they may be managed by two different teams doesn't change the essence of the matter: whoever profits from a certain activity is also the one responsible for any damage caused by it.

Therefore, until the fraud allegations regarding Chilistakes are positively resolved (and shutting down their main thread without providing any response doesn't seem like a positive approach to this), as far as I'm concerned, both Chilistakes and Whiskywin are equally unreliable to my eyes.

[cryptofrka]

I wonder if Trofo and crptofrka might take a look at the website and give their opinion. Assuming they are familiar with Chilistakes from their involvement with their campaign for them. Maybe they will see something to better cement the proof.

Not sure how I wasn't tagged by the bot - anyway, buwaytress just told me there was a thread connecting the two so I found it. Trofo is on family getaway and returning on Monday - he might want to add something himself then.

Basically yeah, there are some things we know and can share - but couldn't before.
Long story short - Chilistakes and Whiskywin are founded by the same person. The difference is that in the meantime Chilistakes casino was sold - to somebody planning to operate only on fiat markets. This happened a month or so ago.
buwaytress got stuck mid-sale when the wallets were being blocked/transferred/whatnot, and it was expected that the new owners would pay up eventually. Considering they did not, we contacted the Chili previous owner, current owner of Whiskywin, and told him that we do consider him responsible for not settling buwaytress' debt.

He agreed, they are now in contact and we hope that the case of confiscated funds will be successfully resolved.

Regarding the red tags and flags, each one of you will decide for themselves.

In my opinion:

Chilistakes probably won't scam if you use fiat, they probably won't care about BTT and crypto users, so the conclusion is quite easy - don't play there.

Whiskywin is what Chilistakes was at the beginning - probably with stronger foundations (meaning more starting capital).
Will it scam? Probably not. Is it safe? Considering the bad taste this all left in the mouths of many, I'd say that the majority won't really greet them with open arms.
The time test will do its thing though - BTT swallows the weak ones quite fast anyway.

What will I do?

If buwaytress' debt is settled:
I will remove neg from Chilistakes and switch to neutral recommending not to use. I will give Whiskywin a fair chance, we were supposed to help them start on BTT but this naturally doesn't sit well with us too so we'll see where we end up.

If buwaytress' debt isn't settled:
I will keep red on Chilistakes and put neg trust (and support flags) on Whiskywin.

What is my opinion about the whole case?

Well, I really do feel that the founder could have reacted better and faster to this whole situation. Slow reactions aren't necessarily grounds to say he's a scammer, especially if he settles the debt privately, what we suggested already.

Just to be fully transparent - I cannot actually guarantee that Chilistakes has been sold. It has been repeated multiple times throughout our conversations, so I do believe that to be true.
Also didn't know that the Whiskywin main ANN is out. Would have reacted there as well.

Whatever my next course of action will be will also depend on my conversation with buwaytress after all of this is settled. He's a guy I know and respect and his opinion will matter a lot to me.

[Trofo]

Sorry guys, as cryptofrka said, I am out this weekend with very limited access to mobile and almost no access to laptop. Mostly agree with what cryptofrka posted above and I will wait to hear what actually transpired between buwaytrees and the owner before making out my opinion 100%.

What I can share is that owner was positive during this whole situation but on the other hand this lasted way too long. Buwaytrees knows all this since we have been updating him in private with what limited info about his case we managed to get.

[rohang]

I wonder if Trofo and crptofrka might take a look at the website and give their opinion. Assuming they are familiar with Chilistakes from their involvement with their campaign for them. Maybe they will see something to better cement the proof.

Not sure how I wasn't tagged by the bot - anyway, buwaytress just told me there was a thread connecting the two so I found it. Trofo is on family getaway and returning on Monday - he might want to add something himself then.

Basically yeah, there are some things we know and can share - but couldn't before.
Long story short - Chilistakes and Whiskywin are founded by the same person. The difference is that in the meantime Chilistakes casino was sold - to somebody planning to operate only on fiat markets. This happened a month or so ago.
buwaytress got stuck mid-sale when the wallets were being blocked/transferred/whatnot, and it was expected that the new owners would pay up eventually. Considering they did not, we contacted the Chili previous owner, current owner of Whiskywin, and told him that we do consider him responsible for not settling buwaytress' debt.
 

And are you absolutely sure its sold to someone else?
It barely had any existing users to sell as a business,especially if the 'new owner' switches to fiat.

Still doesnt seem right to me, by which i mean it doesnt make sense
How do we know they didn't just plan to switch to fiat and make this up to avoid their obligations for crypto owed? Maybe they are many more people other then buwaytress

Perhaps they didnt expect the forum to so quickly link them with the new 'whisky' fad
Even if that's true, how can anyone trust them to not do the same thing and 'sell' whisky while owing players

Terrible terrible behaviour, if not scammy. Should be straight red tag from everyone for both places

[yahoo62278]

Regarding the red tags and flags, each one of you will decide for themselves.

I absolutely hate tagging bitcoin businesses but I think for now the tag is warranted as we do not know exactly what is going on and if things will be made right. Everything has been handled poorly from their team and it is unclear whether they actually sold anything. 1xbit said the same shit and ended up still pulling their selective scams.

The misleading statement below makes me reluctant to even consider removing the red tag if things are made right, but let's revisit that if/when things are made right with buwaytress.

Nice catch man. I would have to disappoint you, but the brands are not connected between each other. The license holder company is the same, but Operations and platforms are completely different 🙂

Cheers, one glass of whisky for you 🥃

[Hueristic]

Regarding the red tags and flags, each one of you will decide for themselves.

I absolutely hate tagging bitcoin businesses but I think for now the tag is warranted as we do not know exactly what is going on and if things will be made right. Everything has been handled poorly from their team and it is unclear whether they actually sold anything. 1xbit said the same shit and ended up still pulling their selective scams.

The misleading statement below makes me reluctant to even consider removing the red tag if things are made right, but let's revisit that if/when things are made right with buwaytress.

Nice catch man. I would have to disappoint you, but the brands are not connected between each other. The license holder company is the same, but Operations and platforms are completely different 🙂

Cheers, one glass of whisky for you 🥃

If it turns out they made good let me know as well, but until then they look like complete scammers to me.

AAMOF those still supporting them are looking pretty sus to me.

[cryptofrka]

And are you absolutely sure its sold to someone else?

No, of course not. How could I be sure? I'm in no way connected to the brand, we did one campaign for them months ago.
We had some occasional contact and it was being mentioned a few times, of course it needs to be investigated further.

I even said so in my post:

Just to be fully transparent - I cannot actually guarantee that Chilistakes has been sold. It has been repeated multiple times throughout our conversations, so I do believe that to be true.

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What I would like to see is the founder transparently (and with proof) explaining what happened while solving buwaytress' case from personal funds as soon as possible.
Trust is the main thing when launching a new brand and if consulted, we will strongly suggest mending broken trust as a baseline for any future endeavors on BTT.