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December 01, 2025, 02:04:22 PM
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Why do animals protect their eggs? You know the answers right??
A child forming in the womb is an embryo, like an egg preparing to hatch. They have the right to live, killing them before they completely form into a child is murder. Forget the name "Abortion" is just a word used to justify the action.
When the healthcare should be done, is either abstaining from sex, using protection, or taking medications to avoid getting pregnant.
Abortion is murder but most people don't see that way because they are victim of it, most people has done it several times that's why they don't see it as murder. There is this saying a stitch in time saves nine which means it's good to avoid it earlier before it gets late it good you didn't have the sex if you know that you are yet ready to be father or mother or using a condom to avoid getting unwanted pregnancy. Abortion is sin and also a murder.

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December 02, 2025, 02:26:43 PM
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Why do animals protect their eggs? You know the answers right??
A child forming in the womb is an embryo, like an egg preparing to hatch. They have the right to live, killing them before they completely form into a child is murder. Forget the name "Abortion" is just a word used to justify the action.
When the healthcare should be done, is either abstaining from sex, using protection, or taking medications to avoid getting pregnant.

Thank you so much for this your beautiful answer and I totally agree with you my op,you have just narrated everything and that's the pure truth is , when someone intentionally did not protect herself from getting pregnant  knowing full well that pregnancy can occur anytime anymore as long as she having sex with a man without using any protection and after she might have been conceived before she started her health care that may lead to the removal of the embryo it's automatically a murder because she should have done that on before her healthcare will commenced or better still use a prevention measure like family planning or use Golden circle i think that's the best way to be free from being a murderer...
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December 02, 2025, 04:54:16 PM
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From a philosophical standpoint, abortion isn’t considered “murder” if the fetus isn’t yet a person in the moral sense.
Acknowledging that abortion is not murder doesn't mean we celebrate it,it means we recognize it with understanding rather than accusations,with compassion rather than condemnation.

Can this perception be supported and realistic to many?
I don't understand why people are not careful. If you are a little careful, you can avoid abortion. If you don't want to have a child then why don't don't use protection? And protection is available for both genders. Moreover if something accidental happens there is a pill for that.

And of course all religions say no to abortion. And destroying an embryo after it is formed is definitely the same as murder, no matter how old it is.

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December 02, 2025, 05:46:29 PM
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Can you provide references to any sources that state that abortion is murder according to religious norms?


According to my understanding and as a who follows a religion.

Catholicism teaches that human life begins at conception. Therefore, direct and intentional abortion has always been taboo, considered a very serious crime and equivalent to killing an innocent person.

Muslims believe that the soul is breathed into the fetus around the 17th week. This means that before 17 weeks, abortion is considered in some exceptional cases, but from 18 weeks onwards, abortion is completely banned and considered murder.

Meanwhile, Buddhism advocates minimizing the killing of even small animals such as ants and insects, let alone abortion.

Catholicism says so? Well, then it must be true! Smiley
Tell me, where can I read the scientific works of Catholic scientists on consciousness, the process of embryonic development, etc.?
Why does this bother me? Let's talk about the Inquisition and its claims. Or, for example, the postulate that “violence can be a ‘medicine for the soul’” — is that also a truth we must adhere to? Or “the right to forcible conversion to the faith” — that too? Well, let's continue to adhere to the doctrine of witches. Smiley

Don't confuse Faith and Knowledge with religious manipulation (this applies to virtually all religions).


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December 02, 2025, 06:15:58 PM
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Life begins at the moment of conception. Many people in this thread might not be alive today and writing here, because some of us were born into poor families, or were simply the result of a teenage accident, or because that might have been the will of a parent… It’s sad that in 2025 we are debating when it is acceptable to kill a human embryo for it to be considered moral. Without the embryo, there is no human being — human cells begin dividing right after conception, and from that point on we are talking about protecting life. If someone wants legal abortion, then why not allow abortion up to the age of 12? Parents would have time to decide whether they are ready to be parents and whether they can handle it. Why is a 12-year-old ‘embryo’ not considered a human being? Someone wrote about a grain of wheat — I fully agree. I understand those who refer to religion, but I don’t understand those who claim to refer to science… because what knowledge do you have? When exactly do we say a human being begins? Are dividing human cells not a human? They will become one, unless they are killed in the womb and people look for justification for it. A human being begins at conception — end of story.
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December 14, 2025, 06:48:29 PM
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Biologically,Life begins at conception then the person emerges later,with consciousness or brain activity.
From a philosophical standpoint, abortion isn’t considered “murder” if the fetus isn’t yet a person in the moral sense.
Acknowledging that abortion is not murder doesn't mean we celebrate it,it means we recognize it with understanding rather than accusations,with compassion rather than condemnation.

Can this perception be supported and realistic to many?
OP biologically embryo is considered to be human, why because embryo has human DNA and it belongs to the species Homo sapiens. that's is to say from embryo you can be able to find out who is the father of the child a woman is bearing in her womb. But in philosophical and ethical perspective that's where the debate is, those reasoning philosophically and ethically doesn't believe that personhood begins at embryo, some scientists who are philosophers, and some persons who are no scientists but philosophers argue that embryo is not human. But the question is which one are we going to take, are we to  take philosophical and ethical way that has to do with just deep reasoning or biological way that has to do with the study of living things and life processes? This reasoning that embryo is not human doesn't look realistic to me.

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December 15, 2025, 03:43:44 PM
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Biologically,Life begins at conception then the person emerges later,with consciousness or brain activity.
From a philosophical standpoint, abortion isn’t considered “murder” if the fetus isn’t yet a person in the moral sense.
Acknowledging that abortion is not murder doesn't mean we celebrate it,it means we recognize it with understanding rather than accusations,with compassion rather than condemnation.

Can this perception be supported and realistic to many?
This reasoning that embryo is not human doesn't look realistic to me.

Biologically speaking, an embryo is a human being in development, that is something which cannot be denied by anyone. The issue is how to know where life actually begins and ends, so we can be sure there is not a murder being taken place.
It would be easier if people did not give a chance to sperm to reach an egg, so there would not be so much philosophical debate on whatever what is wrong and what is correct when comes to healthcare and abortion.

Granted, rapists do not use condoms and they do not care for the physical and mental well being of their victims...

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December 19, 2025, 02:51:30 AM
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I agree with OP tbh. Healthcare is about medical safety and personal choice. Framing it as murder ignores real situations like health risks, rape, or non-viable pregnancies. It’s not a black-and-white issue, no matter how ppl want to simplify it.

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December 19, 2025, 03:16:23 AM
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Perhaps,we all know that an embryo is not a human being.

What is it then?  Or rather, what can it be if not a human being?
I think this is just a matter of semantics.  In the same vein, we can say that a toddler is not a fully developed human being either.  Whats the difference?

If life starts at conception, then forcing that life to end is, in fact, murder.  There is no debate.

As simple as that. All what was enumerated are just grammar and vicabs, nothing new to them at all. No matter how they coin those words, from embryo to not formed, from psychologically to there level of understanding, the truth is that a process has been altered, and live has been cancelled or eliminated. Pregnancy should be avoided in the first place, but if anything leads to pregnancy, any act to prevent the child from growing and been born is murder. Case closed
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December 19, 2025, 09:57:13 PM
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I agree with OP tbh. Healthcare is about medical safety and personal choice. Framing it as murder ignores real situations like health risks, rape, or non-viable pregnancies. It’s not a black-and-white issue, no matter how ppl want to simplify it.

Murdering someone is a personal choice. "To be or not to be. That is the question." To murder or not to murder is another question.

Actual health and safety issues need to be examined and cared for. If it's a choice between saving the mother by letting the new life die, then save the mother.

Most abortions are done simply for the convenience of somebody. Murder for convenience. A woman's body is built quite well. There are loads of ways to save the mother without killing the new life.


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December 20, 2025, 09:43:20 PM
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You mentioned that life start at conception that means, you get human nature when you get intercourse with your opposite sex and once conception take place is considered a growing life, so at whatever time he it early stage of pregnancy abortion is not a supported action unless in health conditions that such pregnancy threated the life of the Carrier only then abortion can be conducted as legal and morally acceptable way.

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December 21, 2025, 11:17:59 AM
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Although people say that an embryo is not a human being but that can't be acceptable in some cultures in the world. The fact that we all originated from the tiny embryo to a feutus then actually became babies. Abortion remains to be a murder in the African culture.
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December 21, 2025, 12:49:52 PM
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calling it healthcare is a bit of a stretch don't you think, stopping a beating heart is what it is regardless of the circumstances, don't try to sugarcoat it with fancy words just because it makes you feel better

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December 21, 2025, 04:42:00 PM
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The old saying is, "Might makes right." But that saying is wrong. Might might make what exists, but it isn't necessarily right.

Women who get pregnant don't get pregnant simply automatically, by themselves. There is way more to it. It's a trust operation.

The man is the grantor.
The woman is the trustee.
The new life is the beneficiary.
God is the Protector.

Abortion (except in a extremely few circumstances) is a breaking of the trust.

God protects it all, because to Him all are alive. But trust-breaking is one of the most illegal and despicable things done in society. Look it up in law, because the whole operation of making a new life and then killing it is trust-breaking.


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December 23, 2025, 11:24:26 AM
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Those that comit crime hardly admit they committed crime because of judgement even if they do will still find means of justification, I would have ask this question if all that conceive a child aborted on the notion of health care human existence would have been no more because it's directly and indirectly killing of the future generations to come, though control of population is good  but using abortion is what I don't condone,the best is using safe boot as well call it locally or avoid sex totally even married couples who are tired of child bearing should have a means better than abortion, killing of fetus and denying of killing human is like a person that ate egg forgotten he has consumed a full chicken.

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December 24, 2025, 05:58:28 AM
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the egg and chicken analogy is actually a very strong point because if you destroy the seed you definitely destroy the harvest, if everyone used abortion as a primary method of healthcare we would be looking at a demographic collapse within a single generation, there has to be a line between actual medical necessity and just using it as a backup for not being careful xd
I'm actually very concerned about what the next generation is going to be like. If by now people still totally believe that abortion is healthcare and see nothing wrong in abortion, then the next generation will have a lot to fight. Abortion is murder no matter how we weigh it. The western world started this whole ideology of legalising abortion on the ground that anyone has the right to accept a  pregnancy or remove it. I was watching TV sometimes last month and I saw a protest in the US where everyone is chanting that abortion is healthcare and I begin to wonder if our religious bodies are shying away from the truth and not publicising the moral implications.

For me, Abortion would never be a healthcare, if anyone wouldn't want to get pregnant, then he should thread with caution and involve preventive measures. Sin is sin no matter the situation or reason behind it. I have heard stories of young girls who are slim going to get pregnant and aborting the baby just to add to their weight. Is this what we actually want for this life? No, that will be insane and extreme absurdity.

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December 24, 2025, 08:01:35 AM
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I think a majority of the people against abortion aren’t against it for medical necessity. They are against abortion being used as a form of birth control, which is a pretty terrible thing to do.

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December 24, 2025, 02:01:15 PM
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The dangerous thing for all of us in abortion is this. How long will it take for other people to make the decision of death for any of us?

Euthanasia is already accepted in Canada and some other nations. The question is, how many of the people who opt for euthanasia really understand what they are doing?

My fear is that this whole idea will expand into something where some government official might be able to make the choice for anybody, whether or not we choose for ourselves.

Let's stop it right now, by getting rid of abortion.


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December 29, 2025, 03:10:26 PM
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The dangerous thing for all of us in abortion is this. How long will it take for other people to make the decision of death for any of us?

Euthanasia is already accepted in Canada and some other nations. The question is, how many of the people who opt for euthanasia really understand what they are doing?

My fear is that this whole idea will expand into something where some government official might be able to make the choice for anybody, whether or not we choose for ourselves.

Let's stop it right now, by getting rid of abortion.


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Where you’re right is this: once society starts outsourcing moral decisions entirely to systems and officials, things can get dangerous fast. Whether people agree or not, the concern isn’t irrational. It’s about safeguarding human dignity and preventing power from drifting too far away from individual conscience.

These debates are messy because they touch life, fear, trust in institutions, and where limits should exist. No easy answers, but the questions you’re raising are legitimate.

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December 29, 2025, 06:36:59 PM
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I think a majority of the people against abortion aren’t against it for medical necessity. They are against abortion being used as a form of birth control, which is a pretty terrible thing to do.

Exactly, that's the problem with abortion, it's being used as a form of birth control. Abortion should only be done when the life of the mother is at risk, instead it's being used as a way to absolve yourself from the responsibility of taking care of a child because you had sex without protection.

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