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November 14, 2025, 06:17:59 PM
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I am a big fan of Coinjoins for the following example:

You own a large amount of old Bitcoins and want to buy something, but in order to avoid revealing how much Bitcoin you have and becoming a target for attacks or hackers, you use Coinjoin.

Can Wabi-Sabi Wallet be traced? I came across a Reddit post where someone claimed that they were arrested because they used WabiSabi and received illegal coins, even though they deposited legal coins themselves, which would imply that WabiSabi can be traced.

Criminalizing privacy would be disastrous.

Any thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/WasabiWallet/comments/cif3hc/warning_about_using_wasabi_it_can_ruin_your_life/
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November 14, 2025, 06:38:30 PM
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I don't know how possible that is, because coinjoin service means that if 10 people want to send $100 to their mother, their addresses will be collected and the coins joint together and sent to the receivers addresses from a different wallet not from you.

For example, I want to send bitcoin of $100 to Mr A, I send my bitcoin to the coinjoin service and someone else will send the money to Mr A from a different wallet not mine. Which makes me doubt that coinjoin service can be tracked. Maybe, I am wrong. As far as I know coinjoin is for privacy. Don't know that of wassabi happened. Bitcoin transaction is transparent on the blockchain.


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November 14, 2025, 06:47:02 PM
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Can Wabi-Sabi Wallet be traced?

The assumption is that it can not.


I came across a Reddit post where someone claimed that they were arrested because they used WabiSabi and received illegal coins, even though they deposited legal coins themselves, which would imply that WabiSabi can be traced.

Any thoughts?


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November 14, 2025, 07:03:27 PM
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There are different kind of coinjoins, and if done correctly they should be safe enough for average users.
However, people often make mistakes with mixing different coins, and not doing good address management.
In case of this arrested guy, he could always show history of his Wasabi wallet and coin being mixed, this is not illegal.
Maybe the problem is not Bitcoin but strict laws in Australia, so I would not dierectly spend coins from Wasabi or connect them with real identity via verification.

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November 14, 2025, 07:15:22 PM
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I am a big fan of Coinjoins for the following example:

You own a large amount of old Bitcoins and want to buy something, but in order to avoid revealing how much Bitcoin you have and becoming a target for attacks or hackers, you use Coinjoin.

Can Wabi-Sabi Wallet be traced? I came across a Reddit post where someone claimed that they were arrested because they used WabiSabi and received illegal coins, even though they deposited legal coins themselves, which would imply that WabiSabi can be traced.

Criminalizing privacy would be disastrous.

Any thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/WasabiWallet/comments/cif3hc/warning_about_using_wasabi_it_can_ruin_your_life/

That post on reddit is 6 years ago, you can see that the story isn't a complete story and it's from a second hand story teller, we can't say exactly what really went wrong.

If we travel back in time 6 years ago, we still have some exchange that were active without KYC, even Binance that is locking users account that received funds from mixers today weren't too anti KYC back then to know if the guy associate the Bitcoin to a centralized exchanges..

Coinjoin is a privacy tools and there has been some improvements and upgrades, maybe the Bitcoin sent through coinjoin was link to some stolen funds and some how it was trace back to the guy before this new implementation or it's possible he must have mistakenly spend some part of the mix Bitcoin alongside with the left over Bitcoin change or something. These are my assumptions and we can't know for sure until we hear the other side of the story.

If this guy actually used Wasabi wallet to improve privacy, why isn't the story popular and perhaps the guy must have been sentenced, the media will know about the guy and what really went wrong unless this is just a cook up story to make people scared of using coinjoin.


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November 14, 2025, 08:29:43 PM
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I am a big fan of Coinjoins for the following example:

You own a large amount of old Bitcoins and want to buy something, but in order to avoid revealing how much Bitcoin you have and becoming a target for attacks or hackers, you use Coinjoin.

Can Wabi-Sabi Wallet be traced? I came across a Reddit post where someone claimed that they were arrested because they used WabiSabi and received illegal coins, even though they deposited legal coins themselves, which would imply that WabiSabi can be traced.

Criminalizing privacy would be disastrous.

Any thoughts?

https://www.reddit.com/r/WasabiWallet/comments/cif3hc/warning_about_using_wasabi_it_can_ruin_your_life/
What is the meaning of illegal coins, I want to believe it's some other shit coins out there you are talking about, but then, if what you are talking about is actually bitcoin, when did some parts of bitcoin on the blockchain become illegal, who made or declared those bitcoin illegal and where was it written, or was it written on the bitcoin blockchain explorer that the coins received were illegal?, was this actually written? I would love to see.

The heck people get arrested for something absolutely different but they want to put bitcoin to blame, since my involvement in crypto since 2016, ive never come across a part of bitcoin known to be illegal to receive, people use coinjoin for several reasons and one of those is what you already mentioned @op, this is never any part of bitcoin that is illegal to recieve except we just want to start deceiving ourselves.

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November 14, 2025, 09:58:20 PM
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I doubt somebody would get arrested simply for using coinjoin. If the user was innocent, but they were arrested anyways that would show they couldn’t trace coinjoins, they would just be accusing somebody based on wrong assumptions based on who they participated in a coinjoin with.

Wasabi coinjoins are easy to identify on the blockchain. Exchanges might see that you used Wasabi and it might lead to some questioning and freezing of your funds, but it would be very difficult to determine that you specifically are involved in criminal activity. They might arrive at that conclusion if you made a mistake when transacting, like spending anonymized funds with non-private coins.

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November 14, 2025, 10:47:17 PM
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I doubt somebody would get arrested simply for using coinjoin. If the user was innocent, but they were arrested anyways that would show they couldn’t trace coinjoins, they would just be accusing somebody based on wrong assumptions based on who they participated in a coinjoin with.

There are countries that are against the use of protocols that makes transaction too complex and untraceable due to their anti money laundering fight, they dislike when people are too private on the chain, engaging with such can lead to questions and investigations but from what OP saying, this happen six year ago, there was KYC and Aml around but it's not as tough as it's today and beside, who comes knocking on your door for using coinjoin if you are not connected to any exchange that was able identify him, the purpose of coinjoin was broken somewhere.

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Wasabi coinjoins are easy to identify on the blockchain. Exchanges might see that you used Wasabi and it might lead to some questioning and freezing of your funds, but it would be very difficult to determine that you specifically are involved in criminal activity. They might arrive at that conclusion if you made a mistake when transacting, like spending anonymized funds with non-private coins.

Using Wasabi alone isn't enough to get him lock up, an output can be questionable but if he decide not to show his input there is no way they will ever know but like I said, the guy must have made a very simple mistake, there was no exchanges that were deeply forensic with coinjoin transaction, even mixers were everywhere doing there business and hardly you see reports about them until last few years. It's either this is one of the story that never happened or the guy did not properly use coinjoin well and must have spent a label profile coin.


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