Merit giveaway is allowed in a price prediction contest?

[Mia Chloe]

Holy shit, I am actually on captain morgan. I want to send you 50 merits now but i am afraid of memecunter

[memehunter]

You don't want to prove? So you can, but you don't want to, is that it?

I don't know if I can or not but I don't want to, it seems to me that some evidence is there but that is none of my interest. My interest is in discussing forum policy around merit giveaways in contests (luck based).

[mindrust]

You don't want to prove? So you can, but you don't want to, is that it?

I don't know if I can or not but I don't want to, it seems to me that some evidence is there but that is none of my interest. My interest is in discussing forum policy around merit giveaways in contests (luck based).

Just quoting this for future reference so you won't edit or delete it later.

[memehunter]

Just quoting this for future reference so you won't edit or delete it later.

Sure let me quote your explanation also for holding merit giveaway from your secondary account (using merits from your main account),
Wait, where it is ? Oh you have not explained it once till now,

*I know that was not needed (like the 'quoting you' remark)

 

[Xiestar]

Thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561260.0

I am launching a btc price prediction game for the new year.

Prize Pool:

The prize for the winner will be $100 (the closest prediction)

The second closest prediction will win $50

The third spot's prize is $25

And the fourth will win 50 merits from my main account.

I know you can send merit to whomever you want, but this way? @mrust_mobile, so in your opinion 50 merits have less worth then $25, not to mention that equating merits directly with money should not be allowed in any way, apart from eligibility through normal forum requirements. It is one thing to limit the number of entries on the basis of certain merit (I have no issue with that) but to offer 50 merits just to predict the BTC price is beyond my comprehension. If I am wrong, I would like to be educated on this topic.    

I don’t see the difference about merits being send on fruit carving contest and price prediction contest because they are not directly transferred to an alt account to conclude an abused.

Now I see what you are trying to point it and it’s truly sketchy since this user involved is trying to build his alt account that actively joining signature campaign too.

You’ve got a point here but remember alt account is not restricted in the forum. As long as he is not directly transferring merit on his own account I believe this is acceptable. By being hypocrites on claiming not wanting to earn more through campaign is much more unacceptable for me.

[mindrust]

Just quoting this for future reference so you won't edit or delete it later.

Sure let me quote your explanation also for holding merit giveaway from your secondary account (using merits from your main account),
Wait, where it is ? Oh you have not explained it once till now,

*I know that was not needed (like the 'quoting you' remark)

 

Could it be that I am a merit source and I have replenishing merits in my main account so I won't worry about not having enough merits on my alt by the time of prize distribution?

Was your whole case about that?

And why did I use my alt to create the thread? Why would it be anybody's business? I can create 3rd alt and raise it from zero to hero in a year or two and make it all publicly known.

Tell me the rule that is against any of what I did.

[PX-Z]

AFAIK there's no rules about this for merit giving threads or ethic/abuse issue. So i can't say anything about it, unless there's already an issue related to this with verdict.

Btw, thanks for the link, i just participate the giveaway.

[krishnaverma]

I think someone gave me a negative trust for doing the same thing but I do not judge him. May be my intentions were visible in wrong way.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I think there was another user who created merit giveaway threads as a pretext to give merits to their alts and that created some suspicion when other users tried to do something similar.

I don’t see much difference between giving merits for book recommendations or carving fruit and giving merits for predicting the Bitcoin price. As long as those other threads are allowed then so should this one.

If there are farmers abusing giveaway and contest threads to help their alts rank up, those people should be tagged, otherwise it’s not such a big deal.

[SmartGold01]

Thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561260.0

I am launching a btc price prediction game for the new year.

Prize Pool:

The prize for the winner will be $100 (the closest prediction)

The second closest prediction will win $50

The third spot's prize is $25

And the fourth will win 50 merits from my main account.

I know you can send merit to whomever you want, but this way? @mrust_mobile, so in your opinion 50 merits have less worth then $25, not to mention that equating merits directly with money should not be allowed in any way, apart from eligibility through normal forum requirements. It is one thing to limit the number of entries on the basis of certain merit (I have no issue with that) but to offer 50 merits just to predict the BTC price is beyond my comprehension. If I am wrong, I would like to be educated on this topic.    

I think for just price prediction that rewards is much and to me, it should be sliced down to either 10 or at least 20 for the fourth winner. Reason being that it is just a price guessing without much works being attached, and it only takes just less than 2 minutes to post a price, and when comparing to others contest, like pumpkin carving or others that would take someone days to finish up their tasks then i will say it is worth giving out such rewards, however to me since he has 1-4th, why not remove that section and make only either 1st to 2nd place or 3rd?

[mrust_mobile]

Thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561260.0

I am launching a btc price prediction game for the new year.

Prize Pool:

The prize for the winner will be $100 (the closest prediction)

The second closest prediction will win $50

The third spot's prize is $25

And the fourth will win 50 merits from my main account.

I know you can send merit to whomever you want, but this way? @mrust_mobile, so in your opinion 50 merits have less worth then $25, not to mention that equating merits directly with money should not be allowed in any way, apart from eligibility through normal forum requirements. It is one thing to limit the number of entries on the basis of certain merit (I have no issue with that) but to offer 50 merits just to predict the BTC price is beyond my comprehension. If I am wrong, I would like to be educated on this topic.    

I think for just price prediction that rewards is much and to me, it should be sliced down to either 10 or at least 20 for the fourth winner. Reason being that it is just a price guessing without much works being attached, and it only takes just less than 2 minutes to post a price, and when comparing to others contest, like pumpkin carving or others that would take someone days to finish up their tasks then i will say it is worth giving out such rewards, however to me since he has 1-4th, why not remove that section and make only either 1st to 2nd place or 3rd?

if we start thinking that 50 merits is too much for the fourth spot, that means we are assigning a monetary value to merits and in this case it shouldn’t be more than $25. But who decides that rate? As far as I know there is no merit to usd trades anywhere in the forum and therefore, nobody knows the merit/usd rate.

The way I see it, the problem might be here is that it is labeled as “4th spot” maybe instead of “special prize” but even if had the special prize label, it still would end up being a reward for the fourth spot so fundamentally it would stay same. It would be a change of looks only.

[SmartGold01]

Thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5561260.0

I am launching a btc price prediction game for the new year.

Prize Pool:

The prize for the winner will be $100 (the closest prediction)

The second closest prediction will win $50

The third spot's prize is $25

And the fourth will win 50 merits from my main account.

I know you can send merit to whomever you want, but this way? @mrust_mobile, so in your opinion 50 merits have less worth then $25, not to mention that equating merits directly with money should not be allowed in any way, apart from eligibility through normal forum requirements. It is one thing to limit the number of entries on the basis of certain merit (I have no issue with that) but to offer 50 merits just to predict the BTC price is beyond my comprehension. If I am wrong, I would like to be educated on this topic.    

I think for just price prediction that rewards is much and to me, it should be sliced down to either 10 or at least 20 for the fourth winner. Reason being that it is just a price guessing without much works being attached, and it only takes just less than 2 minutes to post a price, and when comparing to others contest, like pumpkin carving or others that would take someone days to finish up their tasks then i will say it is worth giving out such rewards, however to me since he has 1-4th, why not remove that section and make only either 1st to 2nd place or 3rd?

if we start thinking that 50 merits is too much for the fourth spot, that means we are assigning a monetary value to merits and in this case it shouldn’t be more than $25. But who decides that rate? As far as I know there is no merit to usd trades anywhere in the forum and therefore, nobody knows the merit/usd rate.

The way I see it, the problem might be here is that it is labeled as “4th spot” maybe instead of “special prize” but even if had the special prize label, it still would end up being a reward for the fourth spot so fundamentally it would stay same. It would be a change of looks only.

Usually what people are just trying to say is that such merits is much without enough task, in fact what value does it worth of someone just making price prediction that is less than just 1 minute?
Don't get it twisted, what we are emphasizing here is that, if that the task is more challenging or time consuming receiving such amount is fair, for instance you can as well take a look at the Node challenge thread, where someone will have to run a Node for about 14 days and receives 14 merits, and compared to were someone just make a price prediction with just less a minute and be given 50 merits. Do you reason what we are reasoning here? Of course we know it is yours and you have all right to give to anyone whom you think but then it should be something worth it or something that is helpful to community but this, it has no value to the community or even helping anyone on the forum. I rest from here and I won't reply this topic anymore.

Good luck.

[mrust_mobile]

are we distributing merits based on proof of work then? Because that’s what you are implying.

“Hey these guys busted their asses to run a node for 14 days or carving pumpkins and then This mf’er comes by makes a prediction and goes home with 50 merits!! Fuck that!!”

What if the winner had a vast knowledge of technical analysis and pinpointed the exact figure the fourth spot would get? 

[lovesmayfamilis]

I think there was another user who created merit giveaway threads as a pretext to give merits to .....

Look at the post above and its tag.

Why?

Oh my god, OP, you're such a bore. 50 merits, fine print, and so on and so forth... Why are you so concerned about 50 merits? Maybe that's all the organizer has? 150 bucks and 50 merits. Should he consult with you about where and when to give it to him? 50 merits can be given to anyone; how does that help the spammer? One way or another, once he gets them, he'll lose everything. Besides, what technical knowledge are you talking about in the first point? Someone can come in, point their finger, and win at random. You know about gambling. Moreover, you pestered your opponent so much that he simply threw his prize away to you. Are you happy?

[memehunter]

The way I see it, the problem might be here is that it is labeled as “4th spot” maybe instead of “special prize” but even if had the special prize label, it still would end up being a reward for the fourth spot so fundamentally it would stay same. It would be a change of looks only.

Yeah, it would be the same for me. No difference. You should have kept it to 3 places, IMO with usd prizes only and then you could have chosen whichever account of yours.

Was your whole case about that?

That was a very minor part of it (as I have said repeatedly) which you stretched unnecessarily by taking it personally.

Why are you so concerned about 50 merits?

It surprised me that you are not. I don't have to tell you that it was not about a particular incident but regarding a clarity about is it right (in line with the merit system's goal).

 

[mrust_fridge]

The way I see it, the problem might be here is that it is labeled as “4th spot” maybe instead of “special prize” but even if had the special prize label, it still would end up being a reward for the fourth spot so fundamentally it would stay same. It would be a change of looks only.

Yeah, it would be the same for me. No difference. You should have kept it to 3 places, IMO with usd prizes only and then you could have chosen whichever account of yours.
 

That's an opinion, I respect it.

Was your whole case about that?

That was a very minor part of it (as I have said repeatedly) which you stretched unnecessarily by taking it personally.

Minor, so you do have a case with proofs and shit. Well, this thread (the part where you implied that i am running an alt farm)  is a direct attack on my reputation so unless you show your proof, yes i take it personally.

Why are you so concerned about 50 merits?

It surprised me that you are not. I don't have to tell you that it was not about a particular incident but regarding a clarity about is it right (in line with the merit system's goal).

She must have noticed your logic is full of flaws.

[Btcdeybodi]

@mindrust i saw what you did there with @mrust_fridge

I think someone gave me a negative trust for doing the same thing but I do not judge him. May be my intentions were visible in wrong way.

You were given a neutral tag and not a negative trust. Proposing to give merits to people who guesses the price of bitcoin is not bad, except you abuse it by sending to your alt account. Maybe if you approach @Don Pedro Dinero politely, he might consider removing the neutral feedback since it's over a year now.

[Hatchy]

I think someone gave me a negative trust for doing the same thing but I do not judge him. May be my intentions were visible in wrong way.

Lol, the forum continues to amaze me. I guess this discussion would go a long way even if i get the point which @ memehunter is trying to bring out. Its still something someone with a lot of merit can decide to do, so long his intentions are genuine. Like this guy over here, he probably would be shocked seeing other members do same thing that got him a neutral tag and his thoughts would be that it was because he's of lower rank that's why he was given a neutral tag.The 50 merits is still given based on an organised contest. Be it prediction, art or whatever other contest it may be. So I'm still wondering why the discussion is sounding more like mindrust has a cat in a bag. When the cat is right in front of us.

[Woodie]

For as long as this is forum business, it should be okay!!

Besides, the sender of the merit sets their own rules on how one can qualify for them and I believe this is how merits fly around here..

[SatoPrincess]

I know you can send merit to whomever you want, but this way? @mrust_mobile, so in your opinion 50 merits have less worth then $25, not to mention that equating merits directly with money should not be allowed in any way, apart from eligibility through normal forum requirements. It is one thing to limit the number of entries on the basis of certain merit (I have no issue with that) but to offer 50 merits just to predict the BTC price is beyond my comprehension. If I am wrong, I would like to be educated on this topic.    

Reading the OP, I can’t help but wonder if OP would have started this thread if 50 merits reward was for the 1st place and not the 4th. I don’t see any wrongdoing here, the merits aren’t being sold. Also the odds of predicting the right price and winning is 1/100.