why some players still fear kyc?

[junder]

I would also go through KYC if the amount of winnings was very large, but so far I haven’t received such big sums. What really puts me off are companies that ask for KYC only when it’s time to withdraw funds, even though this was never clearly mentioned beforehand. I do not give out my personal data to everyone who asks for it, because there are no guarantees that this information will not eventually end up somewhere it should not. We are often too careless about the importance of being cautious. Many people think that just a photo with a document cannot really affect their finances, but in reality this information can be used to take out online loans or even help hackers gain access to accounts. That is why I prefer to be careful with my personal data.

It's great that you can be so careful about sharing your personal information, because it's a good step and doing KYC when making large withdrawals is only natural because I would do the same thing if the situation was that I got a big win and doing KYC was a requirement for the withdrawal.

With what you said, someone with bad intentions can indeed use our personal data to be misused, this incident has happened in my neighborhood with my friend who experienced it.

[xenomorfo]

One of the main ways to resist the age of the mass surveillance of an aggressive kind is the self protection of personal information evidences. Latent threat that service providers are gathering too much data is that there could be systemic leaks in the future. The idea of not depending on some official platform of identity claiming makes sense in order to protect the freedom of being oneself against foreign influence.

I don't have social media, i don't have anything particularly attributable to myself.
Sara, I'm just a poor anarchist idiot, but i don't like my data traveling around without my consent to this.

Anyone can say what they want, everyone is free to do what they think best. This is freedom of choice.

You are also free to get injected with all the vaccines in the world, no one is stopping you. And no one has to tell me what to do..

[Satofan44]

It's great that you can be so careful about sharing your personal information, because it's a good step and doing KYC when making large withdrawals is only natural because I would do the same thing if the situation was that I got a big win and doing KYC was a requirement for the withdrawal.

With what you said, someone with bad intentions can indeed use our personal data to be misused, this incident has happened in my neighborhood with my friend who experienced it.

Even if your withdrawals are small where the data leaks it does not mean that you are protected, it depends a lot on the conditions of the case but what does not change is that you are at risk in either case! Let me give you an example focusing on casinos that use crypto. There can be 2 distinctions:
1. You are a small holder and the withdrawals on this platform reflect your real finances.
2. You are a big holder and the withdrawals on this platform do not reflect your real finances.

In either case you are not safe. In the first case, how does a criminal know that you do not have a hidden stash and this is play money? They do not know that, all they know is that you are person who plays with crypto regularly. It could be the case that for the particular criminal that is looking at the data leak, you are the only person that is close to them -- so who else would they target than you if they would target anyone at all? In the second case you may think well you are protected since the data shows you are relatively poor compared to your real holdings, but the addresses, the KYC data can be connected to other services that you use -- other transactions that you have made and completely deanonymize your holdings. The majority of users are not able to keep their UTXOs consistently separate, and thus depending on their habits of using crypto they may even be fully deanonymized.

Therefore in either case all you get is risk, and you gain nothing from submitting KYC.

[Antotena]

Gambler that think he has issue with his kyc information should abstain from using a gambling platform that requests such, because the casinos will not bend down their rules for us, except we comply by them, that is why it is important that a gambler should make use of either a casino that does not accept kyc and enjoying gambling.

Casino that doesn't make kyc a requirement should also make kyc compulsory so it can make people that doesn't want kyc information given to third party before they are allow to deposit. If a casino makes a person to deposit and doesn't make this requirement compulsory that means they are good at deceiving people under false pretense because they know that people that doesn't have what to use for kyc will be helpless and their money will be stuck in the casino.

I don't like the way casino are turning too, back then you could gamble and not worry about casino kyc but now even the non kyc casino are not truthful. If you don't get your money stuck with one allegations, they will find one or two ways to hold you down just because they want to have your money and this lack of options is making people to give in to casino kyc. If you must bet now and want to avoid any problem in the beginning and in the future, you must be ready for kyc.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Some people do not want to do KYC with their personal documents, in which case there is a possibility of personal documents or information being leaked. Again, there are some untrusted casino sites in which if you do KYC with personal documents, those unlicensed casinos will cheat users of their money and if the users have legal problems due to any of their documents, this is why many users may not want to do KYC with their personal real documents. Basically, doing such KYC keeps them away from casino sites because of personal security.

Even though I don't have any kind of wealth, I don't like KYC, because our information shouldn't be shared on these sites, no matter how good and reliable they are. It's our privacy, and it gets leaked, or will get leaked, at any moment, and we should know that. That's why I understand the older players who, when KYC came out, never went back to playing in a casino, just to protect their identity.

[shawonngp]

But I think most gamblers prefer to choose a non-KYC gambling platform, because no one wants their personal documents to be misused, so most gamblers prefer to gamble anonymously. How can you believe that your personal data will be safe with them if it is a trusted casino platform? It has been heard in the past that many big platforms and customers have sold their data to make millions of dollars. I don't trust any reputable gambling site that will not leak my data. So I prefer a non-KYC casino platform, but I am gambling reputed casino platform where KYC is not required.

[Fredomago]

Some people do not want to do KYC with their personal documents, in which case there is a possibility of personal documents or information being leaked. Again, there are some untrusted casino sites in which if you do KYC with personal documents, those unlicensed casinos will cheat users of their money and if the users have legal problems due to any of their documents, this is why many users may not want to do KYC with their personal real documents. Basically, doing such KYC keeps them away from casino sites because of personal security.

Even though I don't have any kind of wealth, I don't like KYC, because our information shouldn't be shared on these sites, no matter how good and reliable they are. It's our privacy, and it gets leaked, or will get leaked, at any moment, and we should know that. That's why I understand the older players who, when KYC came out, never went back to playing in a casino, just to protect their identity.

There are still experience gamblers who wouldn't like to share their personal information and as you said, once KYC comes up they will not be bothered to move away, while there are some who can carry it and go with the flow as long as they really trust the site, as it's really hard to to believe that your data will be safe it's a gambler perception and believe whether they will accept or they will find another gambling sites to play.

[Betwrong]

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Both of you are right with your opinions, since big casinos won't provably risk their reputation. Because there are many things to lose if it happen there's someone from their team sells the data of their costumers.

The real issue is with those third party platforms or regulators experience data leaking, since they will provably get lots of problem as many people will criticize them.

For sure that all people working at them will do this actions, its just their are sick headed guys will try to exploit their system especially if they know that there's something to get there.

Right. Gambling platforms don't gather your personal info during KYC. It's third party platforms like Shuftipro and others make KYC for gambling sites. Even there your data should be safe, but sometimes it leaks because the employees sell the data to those companies that want to make more customers through spamming.

[xenomorfo]

You have your own points and everyone has that privilege to exercise the way they want, know your customer is not a idea and its also optional. But, for the benefit of the people and protect themselves from troubles or from scammers, they have to do what it takes for them to stay protected and satisfied, because some of the casino site are full of scam, which one has to be careful. But, for people like you, that don't want to be involved in any KYC, should put in money that they can comfortably let go and still be happy about it, so as not be surprised or get more frustrated when things turns out to be the opposite of what you might be actually be expecting.

Sure, but i don't want to use KYC not for the money, that's not the reason
The reason is that i am against the state and i don't like the state knowing my business without me doing anything wrong, at the moment the states spy on us regardless as if we were criminals regardless.

[nimogsm]

But I think most gamblers prefer to choose a non-KYC gambling platform, because no one wants their personal documents to be misused, so most gamblers prefer to gamble anonymously. How can you believe that your personal data will be safe with them if it is a trusted casino platform? It has been heard in the past that many big platforms and customers have sold their data to make millions of dollars. I don't trust any reputable gambling site that will not leak my data. So I prefer a non-KYC casino platform, but I am gambling reputed casino platform where KYC is not required.

Players simply don't want to go through unnecessary verification on an entertainment site. Most of us play with very small amounts of money, and additional checks are simply unnecessary. I understand that online gambling is prohibited in some countries, and the site may thus filter out those who fall into this category, but there are also sites where identity verification is optional, and many will choose them.

[LUCKMCFLY]

There are still experience gamblers who wouldn't like to share their personal information and as you said, once KYC comes up they will not be bothered to move away, while there are some who can carry it and go with the flow as long as they really trust the site, as it's really hard to to believe that your data will be safe it's a gambler perception and believe whether they will accept or they will find another gambling sites to play.

I think that's something very personal; everyone does what they believe is best for themselves. I understand players who don't share their information online; it's not silly, it's very intelligent. They are people who value their privacy, they are very self-assured. Here on the forum, I read someone say they haven't played in online casinos since KYC came into effect. At first, it seemed like a very radical decision, but now I understand.

[Filicius]

I have just heard on TV a news about a woman whose identity was stolen (he was asked to take some photos of his ID card to get verified somewhere in 2023) explaining how she has been dealing with impersonations in gambling and trading cases for the last years. Even although she denounced the facts to the police in 2024 and she has carried out a number of bureaucratic procedures, she owes the Tax Agency 18k EUR for the profits she has allegedly made.

Once someone malicious has access to your identity, a living hell begins that I wouldn't wish on even my worst enemy.

[Wakate]

Players simply don't want to go through unnecessary verification on an entertainment site. Most of us play with very small amounts of money, and additional checks are simply unnecessary. I understand that online gambling is prohibited in some countries, and the site may thus filter out those who fall into this category, but there are also sites where identity verification is optional, and many will choose them.

Verifying your information on some casinos can be very frustrating and this is why most gamblers would not want to pass through that stress when trying to register on KYC casinos. There are so many reasons why we may not want to choose a KYC casinos especially for those that have in in their terms and conditions about being strict about KYC completion.

[Satofan44]

I think that's something very personal; everyone does what they believe is best for themselves.

This is wrong. You are not supposed to do what you "believe" is "best", you are supposed to do what is objectively most likely to be the best thing. Many people are making mistakes all the time because they are relying on subjective belief instead of objective truth.

I understand players who don't share their information online; it's not silly, it's very intelligent. They are people who value their privacy, they are very self-assured. Here on the forum, I read someone say they haven't played in online casinos since KYC came into effect. At first, it seemed like a very radical decision, but now I understand.

Any action that brings only risks and downsides while bringing no benefits and not being necessary is the correct action. Not submitting KYC is always the right choice, it should only be submitted as a last resort measure where all options are excluded in a situation of need -- and gambling is not a situation of need, it is always a situation of want.

I have just heard on TV a news about a woman whose identity was stolen (he was asked to take some photos of his ID card to get verified somewhere in 2023) explaining how she has been dealing with impersonations in gambling and trading cases for the last years. Even although she denounced the facts to the police in 2024 and she has carried out a number of bureaucratic procedures, she owes the Tax Agency 18k EUR for the profits she has allegedly made.

Once someone malicious has access to your identity, a living hell begins that I wouldn't wish on even my worst enemy.

Great example. Only the dumbest and the most uninformed people think with a "if it didn't happen to me, it is not happening often and is not a big deal" attitude. Unfortunately the forum is full of such individuals, that is why you will find all sorts of false claims that relate to dangerous topic like KYC. Submitting KYC information is one of the most dangerous and stupid things that an individual could do, and were someone really wanted to make your life a living hell they could do just that with this kind of information. With the advancement of faking technologies coming from AI an deepfakes even the less capable idiots of our society will continue to be able to create a lot of damage with just some pictures and videos of you coupled with KYC information. Right now you can bypass most KYC protocols including those that require video verification by a proper use of these technologies. Meanwhile most people are sharing both their pictures and data freely everywhere. It is all good until something bad happens to you like to this woman, and then they would cry and complain how someone else is responsible for what happens to them. 

[Versatile_choice]

Even though I don't have any kind of wealth, I don't like KYC, because our information shouldn't be shared on these sites, no matter how good and reliable they are. It's our privacy, and it gets leaked, or will get leaked, at any moment, and we should know that. That's why I understand the older players who, when KYC came out, never went back to playing in a casino, just to protect their identity.

You have my full support on this, I also feel it is not safe to share our kyc anyhow. That is why I always advice people not to be jumping from one casino and the other all because of bonus offers and others, because our reputation is worth 100x than the bonus we are looking for. If you have a reputable casino with a good reputation then you better stick to it than jumping from one casino to the other, sometimes I wonder if these people even realize that they have reputation.

Ok! not that they don't realize that but the truth is that they don't value it, they value the bonus more than thier reputation and it's very wrong. so it is  high time we give priority to our reputation instead of the bonus offer.

[Slow death]

With so many cases of new casino scams, who wouldn't be afraid to do KYC at a new casino with no good reputation? I believe people are right to be afraid of doing KYC, but unfortunately governments have made it law that casinos need to do KYC, so now people have no choice. They are forced to do KYC; it has become something like: "I'll hand over my documents to this casino and may God protect them," and the person goes ahead and plays at the casino. And that's how most of us who do KYC at casinos act. At least in my case, that's how it is.

[blockman]

With so many cases of new casino scams, who wouldn't be afraid to do KYC at a new casino with no good reputation? I believe people are right to be afraid of doing KYC, but unfortunately governments have made it law that casinos need to do KYC, so now people have no choice. They are forced to do KYC; it has become something like: "I'll hand over my documents to this casino and may God protect them," and the person goes ahead and plays at the casino. And that's how most of us who do KYC at casinos act. At least in my case, that's how it is.

That's the biggest concern for all of us, and that's why we're afraid of going kyc with the new casinos and they're likely to be a fly by night casino. The information that we sent them could be used against us or be sold to wherever they're going to sell that for their personal gain. But that gain they get is with our expense and we don't like to happen. So, if it's with a casino that has a good reputation we will not be arguing with it anymore and we'll definitely going to comply even if it's for the 2nd or 3rd time of verification. Yet if it is with a casino that we barely heard of, the question is why would gamblers register to these kinds of casinos in the first place if they are clear about kyc policies.