Three heroes and a legend are cheaters.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I discovered four accounts that are quite cunningly participating in the forum.

1. Lanatsa  Hero Member  Rollbit company signature
2. dunfida     Legendary  rainbet  company signature
3. Mahanton  Hero Member  Rollbit company signature
4. Koadharber  Hero Member jackpotter company signature

First of all, I'd like to point out that all four accounts have sufficient funds in their wallets, yet all four took out a loan from shasan. I was drawn to the way all four accounts trade merits. The exchange occurs exclusively between the four accounts; in some cases, other accounts are visible.






If you check their posts, they are very similar in style, and Copyleaks detects most of the posts as AI.

Education today is definitely more accessible compared to decades ago but accessibility doesn’t always mean equal opportunity while there are government grants, tuition assistance programs, and even online learning options available not every student has the same level of motivation or support system to take advantage of them some parents still don’t fully understand the long term importance of education and this affects how their children value learning many prioritize short term financial survival over long term investment in schooling.

Even for those who finish school the path ahead isn’t always smooth many graduates find themselves in jobs unrelated to their field of study or working positions that don’t require a degree this mismatch between education and employment has created a situation where having a diploma no longer guarantees success the job market has shifted toward skills and adaptability rather than credentials alone. Education has also become more commercialized it’s not uncommon now to see degrees treated as commodities something to be purchased rather than earned this trend devalues real learning and hard work and benefits institutions more than students while education should empower individuals to improve their lives it has slowly turned into a business where prestige often outweighs purpose the real challenge now is not only to make education accessible but also meaningful and aligned with real world opportunities.

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Switching between casino games and sports betting happens a lot and you’re right it mostly depends on the type of thrill a gambler is looking for some people start with slot machines because of how fast they are and how easily accessible they can be but over time the repetitive nature of slots can get boring so they move to sports betting for something that feels more analytical and connected to their interests.

Sports bettors often enjoy the sense of involvement they get by using their knowledge of teams and players unlike slots where everything depends purely on luck sports betting gives them an illusion of control even though luck still plays a role it also has slower pacing which can feel more deliberate compared to the rapid spin cycles of slots. On the flip side many sports bettors drift toward casino games during off seasons or when there’s no match to bet on because casino games are instant and don’t require waiting so the movement between both sides is very fluid most gamblers who play for entertainment eventually end up trying both at some point especially if they want to keep things exciting or experiment with different styles of gambling.

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I have run out of daily checks, if anyone has the opportunity, I would be grateful if you could check their posts.

I can't provide the evidence that's usually provided on the forum regarding identical wallets or anything in common. Instead, I can see funds being transferred to the wallets simultaneously, minute by minute, and on a regular basis.
Two of the four accounts violate the company's signature rules. They participate in the Rollbit company signature. The other two also have signatures.

https://ninjastic.space/address/bc1qfdkr0htejx3psaxzcxhmkl254yk8u9rxvvyjz9     Mahanton
https://ninjastic.space/address/bc1q8yktetdunntwwqu4gkzw52aqzj0genec60ayg8     Lanatsa

One day to apply for participation



Now let's move on to transactions.
Keep an eye on the transfer times.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q8yktetdunntwwqu4gkzw52aqzj0genec60ayg8  Lanatsa


https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qfdkr0htejx3psaxzcxhmkl254yk8u9rxvvyjz9  Mahanton



https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/75532e20defd861c7cf41bcdc87cf76c20e3515d6faac796ed0ab3bf7fccb172
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3R14TN2Av2qDZfmTigVUfaqX6zRkznN91a   3,188.01 USD

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/f9c1a32b9f9665cf3949b3de6b9aaac6d1549afb5ebf63cd26602bd6457cfb0c
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/33jHtFReSoSURPdgfV8Pcr1eD7PJqR7cHd   3,107.34 USD



Their merit exchange history includes accounts that they have chosen to give merit to the most, and currently all of those accounts are negatively marked as being in debt to Shasan.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Quidat
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=stomachgrowls
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=carlfebz2
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Fatunad
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=721555

I invite these accounts to this topic, and ask everyone who reads to express their opinions.

1. @Lanatsa
2. @dunfida
3. @Mahanton
4. @Koadharber

[Wiwo]

shasan loan service is now the new signature campaign insurance for accounts farmers to remain in Hhampuz campaign and other campaigns in the forum, most of the recent cheaters caught, and red tagged are all mostly in Hhampuz campaign and using shasan loan's as a collateral to stay in the campaign.

Is a trend i have observed lately.

Nice job mate!

[Zoomic]

shasan loan service is now the new signature campaign insurance for accounts farmers to remain in Hhampuz campaign and other campaigns in the forum, most of the recent cheaters caught, and red tagged are all mostly in Hhampuz campaign and using shasan loan's as a collateral to stay in the campaign.

Is a trend i have observed lately.

Nice job mate!

Hhampuz is actually managing a campaign with high number of participants. So, I don't expect him to be checking for alt accounts enrolling in his campaign.

But for loans, is there a rule that says a cheater who is on a loan shouldn't be tagged? Or DTs are just being considerate so that Shasan won't lose money?
How about if the user continues to extend the loan?

[Satofan44]

shasan loan service is now the new signature campaign insurance for accounts farmers to remain in Hhampuz campaign and other campaigns in the forum, most of the recent cheaters caught, and red tagged are all mostly in Hhampuz campaign and using shasan loan's as a collateral to stay in the campaign.

Is a trend i have observed lately.

Nice job mate!

Yeah I have observed the same. Often when I check some account that I randomly encounter somewhere because of their shitposts they tend to have a very small loan from Shasan. That can not be a coincidence. It happens too often.

But for loans, is there a rule that says a cheater who is on a loan shouldn't be tagged? Or DTs are just being considerate so that Shasan won't lose money?
How about if the user continues to extend the loan?

No, that would be a very bad rule. It is Shasan's responsibility to filter client and take responsibility for any losses that may occur.

The other telltale sign is merit behavior. They will give some merits or sometimes even a lot of merit among other shitposters but they will not give a single merit to the best posters on the forum. Totally natural behavior. If their IQ wasn't on the level of an ape, they would understand that these patterns are very obvious.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mahiyammahi]

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That urge to gamble again when you still have funds left in your account is something most players can relate to it’s a subtle psychological pull that makes you feel like the money is meant to be used immediately rather than kept safe this is why withdrawing right after a win is one of the most effective ways to avoid unnecessary losses it helps create a mental boundary between playing for fun and falling into impulsive habits.

Leaving even a small balance might seem harmless but it often becomes the first step to playing again without planning or strategy it’s not really about the amount—it’s about the mindset keeping a zero balance forces you to make a deliberate choice before every game and that single step of redepositing already filters out impulsive behavior. The truth is gambling platforms are designed to keep you engaged by making deposits and replays as easy as possible taking control of your withdrawals helps you reclaim that discipline and treat gambling purely as entertainment instead of letting it slowly turn into a reflex.

I highlighted a portion of his post in bold character, Personally I didn't found any human written post that includes those hyphen naturally. Atleast I didn't faced any. Normally ChatGPT gives a lot of those hyphen on it's reply.

I ran this reply onb
Undetectable AI - 68% likely human.
GPT Zeero - 100% AI Generated

Well a bit of human touch could change escape the AI like this one mostly human written but not 100% ,  but ig he forget to remove the hyphen . Also I use gramatical tool also, even if he rephrase this with gramatical this tool don't add hyphen. Rest depends on Lantasha , I hope I was able to shed some light lovesmayfamilis .

[Wiwo]

But for loans, is there a rule that says a cheater who is on a loan shouldn't be tagged? Or DTs are just being considerate so that Shasan won't lose money?
How about if the user continues to extend the loan?

Those cheaters are red tagged by the DTs but have been left on their various signature campaigns, may be that is a solidarity actions of the manager toward the loan provider, since removing them from campaign and already red tagged could become a flight risk for shasan loan's services.

The question now is, is shasan extending their loans even with their various cases and tags?

[lovesmayfamilis]

But for loans, is there a rule that says a cheater who is on a loan shouldn't be tagged? Or DTs are just being considerate so that Shasan won't lose money?
How about if the user continues to extend the loan?

I don't think we should expect these four loans to be repaid, knowing they're borrowing unnecessarily, but rather as insurance. At some point, they'll leave and take the lender's money with them, as happened with their other accounts, as seen below.

In any case, I want to quote the post, which is fair, to give the account owner a chance to speak out.

In general is how I was speaking. They have the right to try to defend themselves, that's all. They can or they cannot come to this thread and give whatever excuse, reason, or story they want. Doesn't mean anyone believes them, just means they got the chance. No different then a trial for murder, all the evidence may say guilty, but they still get the chance to tell their story.

But the negative tag will be added, so I'll wait, hoping for a story that seems credible.

But for loans, is there a rule that says a cheater who is on a loan shouldn't be tagged? Or DTs are just being considerate so that Shasan won't lose money?
How about if the user continues to extend the loan?

No, that would be a very bad rule. It is Shasan's responsibility to filter client and take responsibility for any losses that may occur.

He suffers losses regularly by dancing on his own rake. It is enough to check their wallets and understand that they do not need money.

[Signosmomentum]

1. Lanatsa  Hero Member  Rollbit company signature

3. Mahanton  Hero Member  Rollbit company signature

These two accounts, if they are owned by the same account, have been on the Rollbit campaign since week 1, and they are still on it now, in its 244th week. If proven guilty, then the Bucks will stop in the 244th week.

[nutildah]

He has a few other accounts but I am hesitant to post the connections because I forget which ones still have loans out with shasan and are in signature campaigns, and I'd prefer they repay the loan -- it would be the difference between a neutral and a negative tag. I will revisit the connections pretty soon. Its a farm that has operated beneath anybody's radar for several years, even though blockchain evidence has connected them this whole time.

In any case, good work by @lovesmayfamilis

[Xiestar]

In general is how I was speaking. They have the right to try to defend themselves, that's all. They can or they cannot come to this thread and give whatever excuse, reason, or story they want. Doesn't mean anyone believes them, just means they got the chance. No different then a trial for murder, all the evidence may say guilty, but they still get the chance to tell their story.

But the negative tag will be added, so I'll wait, hoping for a story that seems credible.

If this circumstantial evidence that doesn’t have any firm connection through blockchain aside from same sent of funds which is possible if they join on same campaign.

Maybe it’s time now to bust those accounts that heavily abusing Hhampuz campaign through merit whoring?

I mean is sending consecutive merit on same person on the middle of the thread, posting on same pattern just get merit and other clear indication that they are farming is being overlooked before just because there’s no clear connection on blockchain.

Make it happened @lovesmayfamilis 

[Zwei]

1. Lanatsa  Hero Member  Rollbit company signature
3. Mahanton  Hero Member  Rollbit company signature

These two accounts, if they are owned by the same account, have been on the Rollbit campaign since week 1, and they are still on it now, in its 244th week. If proven guilty, then the Bucks will stop in the 244th week.

that would be almost 5 years of milking.

He has a few other accounts but I am hesitant to post the connections because I forget which ones still have loans out with shasan and are in signature campaigns

one more reason why they take loans, they know if someone finds them, they would be hesitant to post about it.

I'd prefer they repay the loan -- it would be the difference between a neutral and a negative tag.

maybe you already did this, but have you given shasan a heads up so he doesn't give them new loans? from what i noticed, some get a new one as soon as they repay the old loan.

[lovesmayfamilis]

He has a few other accounts but I am hesitant to post the connections because I forget which ones still have loans out with shasan and are in signature campaigns, and I'd prefer they repay the loan -- it would be the difference between a neutral and a negative tag. I will revisit the connections pretty soon. Its a farm that has operated beneath anybody's radar for several years, even though blockchain evidence has connected them this whole time.

I also provided examples of this farm's non-payments, and I'm sure these four accounts, along with several others not listed here, are the accounts of the same person.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Quidat
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=stomachgrowls
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=carlfebz2
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Fatunad
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=721555
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=663136

But I wonder if there are any examples of shasan receiving repayment from these cheaters fully? These accounts have been failing to pay him back for a long time, deliberately pushing back the due dates and simply increasing the interest. It won't be paid in full! Again, check their wallets and the change they give to the creditor. I would say this means the forum is completely susceptible to their manipulation.


It occurs to me that we could, although not specifically, accuse shasan of being a participant in this entire scam. I'm by no means making any direct accusations, but if we look at things realistically, that's how it appears.

Here I completely agree with Satofan44:

No, that would be a very bad rule. It is Shasan's responsibility to filter client and take responsibility for any losses that may occur.

What do we see? shasan is "developing" his business; this farm is also developing its "business," but the rules for participating in signature companies are being violated, and everyone seems to be turning a blind eye, pitying shasan.
But how many examples do we know of him ignoring DT tags, when there were clear red flags that some people simply shouldn't be trusted?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3504269
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=872800.....

Can we really consider him a child who doesn't understand his actions? As an adult who cares about his business, he's obligated to double-check everything. Otherwise, no one is obligated to defend their hasty trust in lending money to people. I think everyone understands this, but few can say it.
Furthermore, posts to use AI are also condemned on the forum, but here, this farm simply disregards everything , if only for its own benefit. I disagree, and I want to take a strong stand against their entire behavior.

I don't care if someone has financial problems (in this case, that's not the case at all). Everyone has their own problems, but there are rules, and everyone must respect them.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Good work as usual, lovesmayfamilis. As is often the case in these situations, these types of accounts not only cheat by joining the same campaign, but they also tend to exchange merits or use AI as if it was content generated by them instead of quoting or other acceptable uses. Given this, the red tag is justified, and depending on how things develop, I may add a red tag as well.

But this reminds me of what I mentioned in another thread: I don't quite understand why multiple accounts belonging to the same person are prohibited from participating in the same campaign. That is, in the past I participated in the same campaign with LoyceVmobile or something, and in this case, managers usually agree that LoyceV and LoyceVmobile cannot participate in the same campaign A, but it is OK for one account to participate in campaign A and the other in campaign B, both run by the same manager. If he adds value and isn't a cheater, I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed from participating in the same campaign.

[Wiwo]

Good work as usual, lovesmayfamilis. As is often the case in these situations, these types of accounts not only cheat by joining the same campaign, but they also tend to exchange merits or use AI as if it was content generated by them instead of quoting or other acceptable uses. Given this, the red tag is justified, and depending on how things develop, I may add a red tag as well.

But this reminds me of what I mentioned in another thread: I don't quite understand why multiple accounts belonging to the same person are prohibited from participating in the same campaign. That is, in the past I participated in the same campaign with LoyceVmobile or something, and in this case, managers usually agree that LoyceV and LoyceVmobile cannot participate in the same campaign A, but it is OK for one account to participate in campaign A and the other in campaign B, both run by the same manager. If he adds value and isn't a cheater, I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed from participating in the same campaign.

You may have misunderstood this current scenario between the two accounts due to Rollbits having two signatures campaign running, the Rollbits Solana sig and the main Rollbits campaign,  if hard it been a user A get into Rollbits Solana campaign,  and User B belonging to same user get into the main Rollbits campaign,  the case could have been relatively easy to say he not subscribed with multiple accounts as against the managers rules here.

But on his case, aside from merits abuse, AI usage,  he abusing the same Rollbits campaign with his both accounts,  so this is a xlear case of him cheating and there is no evidence he can use here, the reason why any of them have not put up a false defense.

[KingsDen]

But this reminds me of what I mentioned in another thread: I don't quite understand why multiple accounts belonging to the same person are prohibited from participating in the same campaign. That is, in the past I participated in the same campaign with LoyceVmobile or something, and in this case, managers usually agree that LoyceV and LoyceVmobile cannot participate in the same campaign A, but it is OK for one account to participate in campaign A and the other in campaign B, both run by the same manager. If he adds value and isn't a cheater,I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed from participating in the same campaign.

Participating with ones alt in a particular campaign is cheating - that is where the definition of cheating is drawn. If your proposal is adopted, what then will be considered as "signature campaign cheating". It therefore means there won't be any signature campaign cheater.
I think projects want to see one unique user promote their signature at a time. If there is actually nothing wrong with your proposal, it means a campaign might decide to hire only 5 users and make 1 person drop 200 posts per week.

With the current rule of not participating with ones alt, there are alot of cheeaters, think what will happen if it is allowed to enrol with alts.

[viljy]

But this reminds me of what I mentioned in another thread: I don't quite understand why multiple accounts belonging to the same person are prohibited from participating in the same campaign.

Let's say 100 people participate in campaigns and are part of the advertising audience at the same time. Let's say the managers allowed the participants to use multiple accounts. As a result, only 50 people are already participating in the campaigns. The other 50 people who are out of work are gradually leaving the forum (or reducing their activity, which means their views and clicks). Consequently, the effectiveness of advertising campaigns is reduced (but campaign costs are not).

The advertiser is interested in the effectiveness of the impression, click, and not the "gross number" of posts, let's say 200 pieces (which can be written by 1 person using AI). Well, with a decrease in traffic, advertisers' interest in the advertising platform will decrease. Something like that... Hypothetically, one could argue that those 50 people are "low-quality users" because they visited the forum in order to earn money. However, for the advertiser, this ultimately means a decrease in the effectiveness of the campaign and the loss of potential customers.

[Xiestar]

But this reminds me of what I mentioned in another thread: I don't quite understand why multiple accounts belonging to the same person are prohibited from participating in the same campaign. That is, in the past I participated in the same campaign with LoyceVmobile or something, and in this case, managers usually agree that LoyceV and LoyceVmobile cannot participate in the same campaign A, but it is OK for one account to participate in campaign A and the other in campaign B, both run by the same manager. If he adds value and isn't a cheater,I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed from participating in the same campaign.

Participating with ones alt in a particular campaign is cheating - that is where the definition of cheating is drawn. If your proposal is adopted, what then will be considered as "signature campaign cheating". It therefore means there won't be any signature campaign cheater.
I think projects want to see one unique user promote their signature at a time. If there is actually nothing wrong with your proposal, it means a campaign might decide to hire only 5 users and make 1 person drop 200 posts per week.

With the current rule of not participating with ones alt, there are alot of cheeaters, think what will happen if it is allowed to enrol with alts.

Your local board shown a lot of merit abuse and whoring that enrolled on a single campaign like Rollbit and Rainbet.

If this campaign will required casino account to received the payment instead of BTC wallet without allowing the use of VPN I’m sure that this campaign will reduced a lot of multiple account cheater.

Those jerker are just confident enough that they will not be connected due to circumstantial evidence only available. I’m sure this farmer are controlled by a high rank member with good experience here in the forum.

[KingsDen]

Your local board shown a lot of merit abuse and whoring that enrolled on a single campaign like Rollbit and Rainbet.

If this campaign will required casino account to received the payment instead of BTC wallet without allowing the use of VPN I’m sure that this campaign will reduced a lot of multiple account cheater.

Those jerker are just confident enough that they will not be connected due to circumstantial evidence only available. I’m sure this farmer are controlled by a high rank member with good experience here in the forum.

If this is implemented, it will mean that the forum is all about campaigns.
It will mean encouraged KYC.
It will also mean that the casinos might decide to pay with other coins other than BTC

[lovesmayfamilis]

Your local board shown a lot of merit abuse and whoring that enrolled on a single campaign like Rollbit and Rainbet.

If this campaign will required casino account to received the payment instead of BTC wallet without allowing the use of VPN I’m sure that this campaign will reduced a lot of multiple account cheater.

Those jerker are just confident enough that they will not be connected due to circumstantial evidence only available. I’m sure this farmer are controlled by a high rank member with good experience here in the forum.

If this is implemented, it will mean that the forum is all about campaigns.
It will mean encouraged KYC.
It will also mean that the casinos might decide to pay with other coins other than BTC

Why not? You subscribe to a company's signature and register on their website. If a casino requires registration from a single IP address and has sufficient security to detect whether a player has a modified IP address (i.e., VPN use), and also detects other trackers, such as MAC addresses and other flags that the casino uses to detect browser and system fingerprints, then cheaters won't be able to create a new account and, therefore, participate in the company's signature. After all, if you win at one of these casinos while having multiple accounts, you'll hardly be able to withdraw your winnings. Even without verification, rule violations could be prevented. But cheating at companies is a problem for the forum, not the casino itself. In other situations, the casino knows its players well.

[Comeacross]

Without using AI, how do you expect account farmers and signature campaign abusers to cope in this forum? It's almost impossible to manage two or more accounts in active campaigns and write genuine posts. How many brain do you have? You see them saying A in this thread and saying B in the other thread. That's a dishonest behaviour.

The problem is the forum permitting multiple accounts in the first place. There is no limit to what a user can post daily, without having any motive, you can post whatever you want to say with your account. So I see no genuine reasons why multiple accounts is needed. Since the forum is not against having multiple accounts, why not declare the alt accounts if they have genuine and pure intention?

The lenders care more about making profit from their lending services that they don't even bother to scrutinize accounts before giving out loans. I don't like seeing them losing their money to these farmers taking advantage of their services to stay in the campaign but won't sympathise with the lenders as well if they overlook the tags and give out loans.

I will suggest that the managers should implement a new rule on cases like this. If a user is caught in any misconduct and they have active loans, they should be forced to change their wallet to lenders wallet address for weekly repayment if they want to be spared in the campaign and we'll know their intention whether they really want to repay or not. After complete payment, they can be kicked out of the campaign. At least, they've been given opportunity to repay the loan.

This activity will not stop if managers want to pity lenders by allowing cheaters to stay in the campaign due to active loans. If they can not be removed immediately, their complete payment should be sent to the lenders address every week.