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November 30, 2025, 08:09:26 AM
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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.
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November 30, 2025, 08:20:26 AM
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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.
Cryptocurrencies give us big advantage like being our own custodians so that we have complete control of our fund. A condition is using non-custodial wallets for storing our cryptocurrencies.

Except Bitcoin, most altcoins have another risk of freeze through smart contracts even those coins are stored in non custodial wallets.

If people want decentralization, Bitcoin is their best blockchain to use. Altcoin blockchains are centralized, and very scare altcoin blockchains have decentralization, while if they have it, their blockchain hashrates are lower than Bitcoin blockchain, hence less secure and more vulnerable to 51% attacks.

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November 30, 2025, 08:35:18 AM
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It is not just the regulation and decentralization, bitcoin transactions are irreversible, tamper-proof, all the transactions are recorded in a public ledger, you are sending the funds and finally you can transfer funds from the west of the world to the east with the same tx fee so here is complete transparency with much faster and economical to transact with no hidden costs involved.

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November 30, 2025, 08:38:27 AM
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You’re absolutely right about self-custody being the core advantage — and Bitcoin is unmatched in that regard.

But I think the decentralization discussion also depends on use-case demand.
Bitcoin optimizes for security + monetary reliability, while many altcoin ecosystems optimize for execution, programmability, and higher throughput.

Even if some altcoin networks are more centralized, they still serve as experimental grounds for new architectures (rollups, data layers, VMs, etc.).
Over time, it’s possible that only the strongest security-models will survive — and Bitcoin may end up absorbing the best ideas through L2s like BitVM, rollups, or even sidechain frameworks.

So maybe the future isn’t “Bitcoin vs altcoins”, but Bitcoin as the settlement layer with other chains feeding innovation upward.
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November 30, 2025, 08:49:53 AM
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[/quote]You're absolutely right — irreversibility and global neutrality are huge advantages.

What I find most fascinating is that Bitcoin achieves all of this without needing trust in any central party:

Same settlement cost anywhere in the world

Finality based on math, not permissions

A ledger that anyone can verify

No arbitrary rules that can change depending on your bank, country, or regulator

This “rules without rulers” model is exactly why Bitcoin keeps separating itself from traditional digital payment systems.
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November 30, 2025, 09:10:06 AM
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digital payments are just secure forms of using crypto. How safe they are depends on the network your using.
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November 30, 2025, 09:13:14 AM
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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.
People, who wants to control their money and people who decide who control your money mostly are different people. It is the main problem.
The main part people with money don`t need to allow all others to use cryptocurrencies for everyday deals. You have to destroy the structure of fiat money to use BTC. I don`t think that it is possible. Also, the main part of human don`t know about BTC and don`t need it.
As the result - the main part of payments will be with fiat money and some(small enough) part of transactions will go to BTC. The best result for cryptocurrency society - is that this part will grow up step by step.
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November 30, 2025, 09:28:56 AM
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One of the most important and major difference is that the one uses a trusted intermediary while in case of the second one, trust is distributed across the network through cryptographic proof and consensus mechanism. You can understand this from the first few lines of Satoshi's Bitcoin Whitepaper.

In case of Digital Payments, bank processes transactions and verifies things, has the total control on everything (can reverse anything that has been done).
 
In case of Cryptocurrencies, the network collectively verifies transactions and the information is stored in a decentralized way across tens of thousands of computers. Transactions are irreversible too, once money gone from your wallet, gone forever, no way to fix mistakes.

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November 30, 2025, 12:04:39 PM
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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.
People, who wants to control their money and people who decide who control your money mostly are different people. It is the main problem.
The main part people with money don`t need to allow all others to use cryptocurrencies for everyday deals. You have to destroy the structure of fiat money to use BTC. I don`t think that it is possible. Also, the main part of human don`t know about BTC and don`t need it.
As the result - the main part of payments will be with fiat money and some(small enough) part of transactions will go to BTC. The best result for cryptocurrency society - is that this part will grow up step by step.

I get your point — fiat will stay dominant for a long time.
But I don’t think people need to “destroy the fiat system” to use Bitcoin.
We already see BTC being used in parallel for things where fiat is weak:
cross-border payments, gaming, remittances and censorship-resistant transfers.

Most people don’t care about monetary sovereignty until they face a problem with the traditional system.
When that happens, adoption can grow very quickly.

Even a small percentage of global payments moving to BTC would still be huge — the base economy is massive.
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November 30, 2025, 12:42:00 PM
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It is not just the regulation and decentralization, bitcoin transactions are irreversible, tamper-proof, all the transactions are recorded in a public ledger, you are sending the funds and finally you can transfer funds from the west of the world to the east with the same tx fee so here is complete transparency with much faster and economical to transact with no hidden costs involved.

And there is no stupid rules...
Thanks for your perspective. I agree that Bitcoin’s transparency and irreversibility remove many traditional payment issues.
At the same time, this is exactly why proper self-custody and user education are important — because with full control also comes full responsibility.
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November 30, 2025, 01:02:14 PM
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digital payments are just secure forms of using crypto. How safe they are depends on the network your using.
You're right that security depends on the network, but digital payments and crypto still operate on very different trust models.

Digital payments rely on banks and intermediaries.
Crypto relies on cryptographic proof and decentralized consensus.

So even if both can be “secure”, the way that security is achieved is completely different.
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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.
People, who wants to control their money and people who decide who control your money mostly are different people. It is the main problem.
The main part people with money don`t need to allow all others to use cryptocurrencies for everyday deals. You have to destroy the structure of fiat money to use BTC. I don`t think that it is possible. Also, the main part of human don`t know about BTC and don`t need it.
As the result - the main part of payments will be with fiat money and some(small enough) part of transactions will go to BTC. The best result for cryptocurrency society - is that this part will grow up step by step.
Fiat and crypto are built on completely different foundations and serve different kinds of people fiat works because it’s centralized controlled by banks and governments and supported by laws people trust it because it’s familiar and integrated into every system around them salaries bills taxes everything runs on fiat.

Crypto on the other hand gives people personal control but also full responsibility there’s no customer service to call when you lose your keys or send coins to the wrong address and that level of independence isn’t for everyone most people don’t want to manage their own security or take risks with volatility they just want convenience and stability. The majority will keep using fiat because the system already works for them crypto’s role will likely grow slowly as people become more familiar with it and as governments create frameworks that allow both systems to coexist crypto doesn’t have to replace fiat to be successful it just has to keep proving its value as an alternative that empowers those who want real control over their money.

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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.
People, who wants to control their money and people who decide who control your money mostly are different people. It is the main problem.
The main part people with money don`t need to allow all others to use cryptocurrencies for everyday deals. You have to destroy the structure of fiat money to use BTC. I don`t think that it is possible. Also, the main part of human don`t know about BTC and don`t need it.
As the result - the main part of payments will be with fiat money and some(small enough) part of transactions will go to BTC. The best result for cryptocurrency society - is that this part will grow up step by step.
Fiat and crypto are built on completely different foundations and serve different kinds of people fiat works because it’s centralized controlled by banks and governments and supported by laws people trust it because it’s familiar and integrated into every system around them salaries bills taxes everything runs on fiat.

Crypto on the other hand gives people personal control but also full responsibility there’s no customer service to call when you lose your keys or send coins to the wrong address and that level of independence isn’t for everyone most people don’t want to manage their own security or take risks with volatility they just want convenience and stability. The majority will keep using fiat because the system already works for them crypto’s role will likely grow slowly as people become more familiar with it and as governments create frameworks that allow both systems to coexist crypto doesn’t have to replace fiat to be successful it just has to keep proving its value as an alternative that empowers those who want real control over their money.
You make a very solid point — fiat works today because the whole economic system is built around it: salaries, taxes, reporting, legal frameworks… everything is optimized for it.

But I think crypto doesn’t need to replace fiat to be successful.
Its real value comes from giving people an option:

full self-custody,

borderless transactions,

censorship resistance,

and the ability to operate outside traditional rails when needed.

Most people will keep using fiat for convenience, yes — but every year more users discover situations where crypto simply works better (especially cross-border payments, online services and gaming).

So I agree with you: the future is not “crypto replaces fiat”,
it’s both systems coexisting, with crypto gaining adoption wherever the traditional system is slow or restrictive.
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November 30, 2025, 01:29:16 PM
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It is not just the regulation and decentralization, bitcoin transactions are irreversible, tamper-proof, all the transactions are recorded in a public ledger, you are sending the funds and finally you can transfer funds from the west of the world to the east with the same tx fee so here is complete transparency with much faster and economical to transact with no hidden costs involved.

And there is no stupid rules...
Thanks for your perspective. I agree that Bitcoin’s transparency and irreversibility remove many traditional payment issues.
At the same time, this is exactly why proper self-custody and user education are important — because with full control also comes full responsibility.


Can't deny that, being our own banks comes with more responsibility too but that's the point of being decentralized monetary system. We don't want anyone to get in the middle of it, we have to take control of everything for that to happen we need to educate about importance of recovery seeds and private keys, how to keep the device from malicious links, learn and tackle social engineering attacks, etc.

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November 30, 2025, 01:44:02 PM
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You're absolutely right — irreversibility and global neutrality are huge advantages.

What I find most fascinating is that Bitcoin achieves all of this without needing trust in any central party:

Same settlement cost anywhere in the world

Finality based on math, not permissions

A ledger that anyone can verify

No arbitrary rules that can change depending on your bank, country, or regulator

This “rules without rulers” model is exactly why Bitcoin keeps separating itself from traditional digital payment systems.

You should learn the proper way to qoute someone's post in your own post. I edited this to make it perfect as against the one you misquote making it look like you're the owner of the qouted text.

Back to main discussion, Digital payments and crypto payments is a wrong comparison because crypto payments is same as digital payments. The right question should be the difference between bank payment and crypto payment. Bank payment is restricted to to some regions and bypassing this restriction is additional cost on you but crypto payments is free from border restrictions and excess fees.

 
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December 01, 2025, 07:05:25 AM
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People, who wants to control their money and people who decide who control your money mostly are different people. It is the main problem.
The main part people with money don`t need to allow all others to use cryptocurrencies for everyday deals. You have to destroy the structure of fiat money to use BTC. I don`t think that it is possible. Also, the main part of human don`t know about BTC and don`t need it.
As the result - the main part of payments will be with fiat money and some(small enough) part of transactions will go to BTC. The best result for cryptocurrency society - is that this part will grow up step by step.
I get your point — fiat will stay dominant for a long time.
But I don’t think people need to “destroy the fiat system” to use Bitcoin.
We already see BTC being used in parallel for things where fiat is weak:
cross-border payments, gaming, remittances and censorship-resistant transfers.

Most people don’t care about monetary sovereignty until they face a problem with the traditional system.
When that happens, adoption can grow very quickly.

Even a small percentage of global payments moving to BTC would still be huge — the base economy is massive.
For me BTC mostly used to avoid taxes or some restrictions. It means that these systems fight against each other. As the result they will interfere each other. And will try to get additional piece of market. For BTC it easier and it will grow up, but it will not get a really big part until it would be in the fiat system like one of the currencies.


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Fiat and crypto are built on completely different foundations and serve different kinds of people fiat works because it’s centralized controlled by banks and governments and supported by laws people trust it because it’s familiar and integrated into every system around them salaries bills taxes everything runs on fiat.

Crypto on the other hand gives people personal control but also full responsibility there’s no customer service to call when you lose your keys or send coins to the wrong address and that level of independence isn’t for everyone most people don’t want to manage their own security or take risks with volatility they just want convenience and stability. The majority will keep using fiat because the system already works for them crypto’s role will likely grow slowly as people become more familiar with it and as governments create frameworks that allow both systems to coexist crypto doesn’t have to replace fiat to be successful it just has to keep proving its value as an alternative that empowers those who want real control over their money.
You make one mistake. Governments don`t need coexist controlled money and BTC. They can say that "it is the future, they try their best to use BTC in everyday operations, create strategy reserve", etc. But in reality no one who can print the money need uncontrolled money.
PS. The same time they can use BTC. All governments has lots of situations, when they need to use money and such operations must be hidden.
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December 01, 2025, 05:39:46 PM
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It is not just the regulation and decentralization, bitcoin transactions are irreversible, tamper-proof, all the transactions are recorded in a public ledger, you are sending the funds and finally you can transfer funds from the west of the world to the east with the same tx fee so here is complete transparency with much faster and economical to transact with no hidden costs involved.

And there is no stupid rules...
Absolutely agree — that’s one of the strongest points of Bitcoin.

Irreversible and publicly verifiable transactions create a level of transparency that traditional payment systems simply can’t match.
The ability to move value across the world with the same fee, without banks slowing things down, is a game changer for many people.

And yes — fewer unnecessary rules, fewer intermediaries, and more direct control over your money.
That’s exactly why crypto continues to grow.

Thanks for sharing your perspective — well said.
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December 01, 2025, 05:41:53 PM
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Not so many regulations, possibilities are truly nearly endless, and there is no way a transaction goes reversed in case it happened already on the chain.

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December 01, 2025, 06:55:35 PM
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Op, you did sum it up very well but from what I know, I think the gap is even wider than how you described it. Of a truth, digital payments give convenience but you’re still operating inside someone else’s rules.

 Crypto flips that by giving you ownership that isn’t dependent on banking hours, permissions or borders.

At its core, crypto removes the middleman between you and your money and for a lot of people around the world, that difference isn’t just technical, it’s life-changing. It’s the reason someone in a restricted economy can still send value across borders without begging a bank. The kind of financial freedom crypto gives you is something traditional systems were never designed to offer.

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December 01, 2025, 07:54:43 PM
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I think the main difference is simple:
Digital payments rely on banks and regulations, while digital currencies rely on cryptography and users.
Both systems will continue to exist, but crypto offers more independence for people who want full control of their money.

Maybe the word "crypto" can be replaced with "Bitcoin" because only Bitcoin offers a decentralized system that gives holders the freedom to manage their assets, while other cryptos still rely on a centralized system with control still held by the developer. So if you hold altcoins, it is riskier than when you hold Bitcoin, because the future of altcoins really depends on the decisions of developers and they can change the protocol easily or even abandon the project very easily. So don't get too hung up on "cryptography", but focus on the decentralization and security it offers, because cryptographic technology is present in almost all altcoins but does not guarantee their value and sustainability.

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