Some are HODLing it wrong

[Tungbulu]

If you're a long-term hodler, simple buying bitcoin with your discretionary using DCA and hodli wouldn't lead to to losses. It's when you sell your bitcoin that you will be in loss if you sold below your entry point. Your portfolio will depreciate in value but that's in dollar value and not the quantity of bitcoin in your portfolio. If you don't sell, the price will surely bounce back. Everyone has their reason why they got into bitcoin investment.

That’s right.
History has always proven that Bitcoin has always rewarded conviction, patience and discipline. Even if the market fluctuates and the price of Bitcoin drops by 50%, a true holder has no business with selling their coin, because they already have that conviction and the discipline to look away from any market fluctuations. They already know that fluctuations are inevitable and an essential part of the market, which helps them not to be forced into making decisions based on short term market fluctuations. Except they don’t really have that conviction or the investors’ mindset.

[Luzin]

You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

The market is always like that; those who endure and go with the flow will always survive. The environment is not wrong, but they have created a strong ecosystem that is trusted. Therefore, when we are the shrimp, we can only follow and take advantage of the moment, and that’s where it’s important for us to make the right decisions. So we have to be the right wrapper. Always learn how this industry operates.

[jcojci]

People should understand how to hodl with the right. If they buy shares in the company, that is not hodl because they don't buy Bitcoin personally but buying with the company. They don't hodl Bitcoin in their wallet so they don't possess Bitcoin.

If you want to hodl Bitcoin, you need to buy Bitcoin and send it to your personal wallet. Not hodl with other people in one place because that has risks.

Having Bitcoin means you need to responsibly hodl it in a secure wallet which is self custody and not keep it with other parties.

[davis196]

Bitcoin didn't do a damn thing wrong. It's just sitting there, being Bitcoin. But the structures that people created around it (the leverage, the debt, the complicated products), those are what's breaking. You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

What complicated products are you talking about? I don't know about any complicated products created around Bitcoin.
Leverage trading isn't HODLing. I don't know why you put it in the same category. Some traders love risk and are willing to do leverage trading, while others aren't that confident. The companies, that got into debt in order to buy more BTC must be ready for the downsides of leverage trading and they must afford to lose those money. Bitcoin is doing just fine, but the hype around it got replaced by FUD. That's how the markets work. Most traders are like sheep. They panic easily and sell like there's no tomorrow.

[purple_sparkles]

In my opinion, when it comes to expectations about bitcoin, there is nothing particularly risky about it. You just need to accept the fact that this investment may be temporarily unavailable if you want to sell it at a favorable price. Of course, it’s unfortunate when you can’t sell during a market upswing to later buy more at a better price, it’s simply a missed opportunity to grow your capital. But if it doesn’t work out, that’s also experience, and next time things may turn out much more successfully.

[Outhue]

Bitcoin didn't do a damn thing wrong. It's just sitting there, being Bitcoin. But the structures that people created around it (the leverage, the debt, the complicated products), those are what's breaking. You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

You are still missing something, anything that would torn people up around their investment showed us one thing, they already invested too much, yes Bitcoin should be something that should work because it's the best, this believe on its own have made many to use money they aren't supposed to use to DCA into Bitcoin.

Worries and making wrong decisions comes right after you are too exposed to the investment, if the amount is exactly amount you are willing to lose you won't be too bothered, this set of people can't hold Bitcoin for good four years without staring at Bitcoin chart, they have not forgot that Bitcoin is something you can hold without looking back for years but they are too exposed to the investment and it's telling on them.

[Japinat]

Bitcoin didn't do a damn thing wrong. It's just sitting there, being Bitcoin. But the structures that people created around it (the leverage, the debt, the complicated products), those are what's breaking. You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

You are still missing something, anything that would torn people up around their investment showed us one thing, they already invested too much, yes Bitcoin should be something that should work because it's the best, this believe on its own have made many to use money they aren't supposed to use to DCA into Bitcoin.

Worries and making wrong decisions comes right after you are too exposed to the investment, if the amount is exactly amount you are willing to lose you won't be too bothered, this set of people can't hold Bitcoin for good four years without staring at Bitcoin chart, they have not forgot that Bitcoin is something you can hold without looking back for years but they are too exposed to the investment and it's telling on them.

This is why investors should not marry their investments, should not marry their coins. Invest only on what you can afford to lose, as all investments do not give assurance of guaranteed profits. Or else, getting attached to your investment so much will only make you emotional, regardless if you are at the peak of frustration or excitement.

And when emotions kick in, you are no longer satisfying what your mind tells, but on what your heart mostly tells, and can easily lead you to become impulsive when the outcome does not meet your set expectations, and end up incurring losses.

[avp2306]

Bitcoin didn't do a damn thing wrong. It's just sitting there, being Bitcoin. But the structures that people created around it (the leverage, the debt, the complicated products), those are what's breaking. You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

You are still missing something, anything that would torn people up around their investment showed us one thing, they already invested too much, yes Bitcoin should be something that should work because it's the best, this believe on its own have made many to use money they aren't supposed to use to DCA into Bitcoin.

Worries and making wrong decisions comes right after you are too exposed to the investment, if the amount is exactly amount you are willing to lose you won't be too bothered, this set of people can't hold Bitcoin for good four years without staring at Bitcoin chart, they have not forgot that Bitcoin is something you can hold without looking back for years but they are too exposed to the investment and it's telling on them.

This is why investors should not marry their investments, should not marry their coins. Invest only on what you can afford to lose, as all investments do not give assurance of guaranteed profits. Or else, getting attached to your investment so much will only make you emotional, regardless if you are at the peak of frustration or excitement.

And when emotions kick in, you are no longer satisfying what your mind tells, but on what your heart mostly tells, and can easily lead you to become impulsive when the outcome does not meet your set expectations, and end up incurring losses.

That's why invest only what's left after you done paying all your bills, because with this they can avoid getting much pressured about what going to happen on the market.

Also its good if they also create a emergency funds, so if there's some emergency situation happens. They will not get pressured since they have available funds to use. With this they provably won't think about touching their BTC which they intend to HODL for long years. They can also avoid being to emotional if they are financially prepared so discipline is really needed to avoid losses then increase their chance to succeed.

[Johnlomape]

You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

The market is always like that; those who endure and go with the flow will always survive. The environment is not wrong, but they have created a strong ecosystem that is trusted. Therefore, when we are the shrimp, we can only follow and take advantage of the moment, and that’s where it’s important for us to make the right decisions. So we have to be the right wrapper. Always learn how this industry operates.

The price of Bitcoin will go up and down and that does not mean that it's over. There is nothing like people are holding Bitcoin wrongly unless they are buying and selling immediately when they have made tiny profit in the market. There is so many advantages investing in Bitcoin but some people might not know because they are forced or convinced which is not enough for them to invest well in the market. whether you are investing in digital currency or physicak business, there is need to leave the investment to mature enough so that it can generate enough profits.

[ThemePen]

Recent market fall showed that Bitcoin itself is working well, but failure was all with hard financial tools and high debt that people built around it. Example is stock of company Strategy, which fell much, not due to failure of Bitcoin, but because large loans they had borrowed became too risky, which is sign that centralized financial systems are weak and break easily when put under pressure. Main lesson is that simple Bitcoin asset is not same as weak product you are holding to hold it, and people need to know that keeping it by means of risky methods can cause huge losses, despite their strong belief in Bitcoin.

[asriloni]

The appreciation and depreciation in the commodity asset such as Bitcoin is just a normal thing. You did it wrong by blaming those who ran their business model used bitcoin. The fact those people who brought billions to the Bitcoin market. If it's not them, so who would do that, you?

As for Saylor, his business model is to fully relied upon Bitcoin. People who give him money to buy bitcoin ain't give it for free. They want return for what they have given, so giving regular dividend is what Saylor promised for anyone who bought his stock.
There's nothing wrong with it as it's part of his business model. People who believed in MSTR stock is investing at Saylor's business model. They're not only trusting his story.

[SuperBitMan]

If you're a long-term hodler, simple buying bitcoin with your discretionary using DCA and hodli wouldn't lead to to losses. It's when you sell your bitcoin that you will be in loss if you sold below your entry point. Your portfolio will depreciate in value but that's in dollar value and not the quantity of bitcoin in your portfolio. If you don't sell, the price will surely bounce back. Everyone has their reason why they got into bitcoin investment.

That’s right.
History has always proven that Bitcoin has always rewarded conviction, patience and discipline. Even if the market fluctuates and the price of Bitcoin drops by 50%, a true holder has no business with selling their coin, because they already have that conviction and the discipline to look away from any market fluctuations. They already know that fluctuations are inevitable and an essential part of the market, which helps them not to be forced into making decisions based on short term market fluctuations. Except they don’t really have that conviction or the investors’ mindset.

Yes you are right Bitcoin has always rewarded patience investors, so if you are a patience holder you will surely benefit greatly from Bitcoin investment and again if you have this knowledge that those who hold Bitcoin for long term are at advantage of making good profit I don't think you should bother yourself when there's a dip in Bitcoin investment and you should understand that dip is just part of Bitcoin if you go through the history growth of Bitcoin you will discover that Bitcoin has always been facing dip issues and that is because Bitcoin is volatile in nature and the only thing that can help you or prevent you from getting affected by Bitcoin dip is when you are accumulating and holding your bitcoin for long-term.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

The concept of Bitcoin investor or holder gives them room to panic whenever small shift or dip happened, though it's normal but one with good knowledge should engaged Bitcoin with what he can afford to lose mostly when your not courageous enough to withstand certain risk. Experience in Bitcoin investment matters in my opinion those who have witness many occurance of this nature never shake or panic. The best is investing what one can afford to lose, I don't advice mostly newbies to borrow money and invest in Bitcoin because it needs patient while many are in hurry and counted losses in Bitcoin is as result of poor preparation before engagement in the investment, investor who have other sources of income,and hardly worried when the market drop or force to sell in loss.
Bitcoin has never been design for Continuous rising without correction a good investor with knowledge will have this understanding and target when his gain is appropriate before selling to avoid loss.

[summonerrk]

Bitcoin fell 30% from 109k to about 85k just recently. That's normal. We've all seen worse. Interestingly, there are some all in on Bitcoin lost way more than 30%. Not because Bitcoin failed them, but because the way in which they held Bitcoin failed them.

Look what happened to Strategy (the Saylor company). They borrowed billions in order to purchase Bitcoin. At one point, people were paying $2.50 to every $1 of Bitcoin the company actually owned, simply just because they believed in the story. That premium evaporated to basically nothing. BlackRock, Vanguard and Fidelity quietly sold up $5 billion worth of shares in Q3. S&P downgraded them to junk. There was one day in which 42.9 million shares were traded - massive volume, on a down day. That's what a handoff looks like. Big money out, small money picking up what they dropped. The company had even to set aside $1.44 billion in cash just to pay interest for the next year or two.

Bitcoin didn't do a damn thing wrong. It's just sitting there, being Bitcoin. But the structures that people created around it (the leverage, the debt, the complicated products), those are what's breaking. You can really believe in Bitcoin with your whole heart and still get torn up if you're holding it through the wrong vehicle. The asset and the wrapper are NOT the same thing. A lot of people are about to find out the hard way.

Banks and institutions had long since turned trading and investing into gambling when they began incorporating intermediary instruments. This proved insufficient, and to extract large commissions and attract new clients, they began creating even more financial instruments that essentially amounted to manipulation of thin air. And more and more, until ultimately, all of this became the parasitic cause of the crisis, when this multilayered nature began to obscure the common sense of the numbers, for example, when portfolios containing substandard loans were purchased.

[Tungbulu]

Yes you are right Bitcoin has always rewarded patience investors, so if you are a patience holder you will surely benefit greatly from Bitcoin investment and again if you have this knowledge that those who hold Bitcoin for long term are at advantage of making good profit I don't think you should bother yourself when there's a dip in Bitcoin investment and you should understand that dip is just part of Bitcoin if you go through the history growth of Bitcoin you will discover that Bitcoin has always been facing dip issues and that is because Bitcoin is volatile in nature and the only thing that can help you or prevent you from getting affected by Bitcoin dip is when you are accumulating and holding your bitcoin for long-term.

Having such a mindset gives you much better insight and confidence in Bitcoin. The reason why a lot of people panic over market crashes or even end up making rash decisions based on market volatility is because they haven’t really had a good understanding about the market, and so their expectations are only for the price of bitcoin to keep accelerating upward so they’ll be seeing their money grow every single time they look at their wallet, so when the crash starts coming, they become angry, frightened and afraid that they could end up losing all their money to the dip, some even end up selling off what’s left, thinking that’s the best thing to do at that point. But all these could be avoided if they looked at the investment from a long term perspective, they definitely won’t be moved or have their emotions tossed over short term market reactions.

[Maus0728]

Big companies like Blackrock run the world so it is not surprising to me that they quietly sell of their shares, if you watch the movie The Big Short, the lesson that you can get there is that big companies are always the first ones to get the news of imminent disasters in the financial market and that they are also the first ones to also make a profit out it if not avoid losses and that the small investors will always end up as the suckers that would lose big time at the end of it all.

In regards to hodling, I think that DCA and having a goal when it comes to when you are going to sell your bitcoin would help you avoid being the sucker in this market where giant conglomerates are trying to make money out of the small hodlers and then crashing the market at the end, sometimes being a fish that goes against the current is the best thing you can do especially with bitcoin which has already proven it's growth in a decade.

[Z-tight]

In regards to hodling, I think that DCA and having a goal when it comes to when you are going to sell your bitcoin would help you avoid being the sucker in this market where giant conglomerates are trying to make money out of the small hodlers and then crashing the market at the end,

It really depends on what kind of investor you are. Long term investors do not have to worry about what happens to the price of BTC in the short term. I am a long term investor and i also do not have any fixed time to sell BTC. Manipulations from institutions is usually a short term thing and its effect does not last long, that is why if possible, i usually recommend holding for the long term. Take note that BTC is not also a pump and dump coin that can be pumped and dumped at will, nope it isn't.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Big companies like Blackrock run the world

You can not control BlackRock but you can follow them and Bitcoin is a long term investment asset for BlackRock, their customers and Bitcoin investors. If you can be a Bitcoin investor in long term, you can participate in the party.

In regards to hodling, I think that DCA and having a goal when it comes to when you are going to sell your bitcoin would help you avoid being the sucker in this market where giant conglomerates are trying to make money out of the small hodlers and then crashing the market at the end, sometimes being a fish that goes against the current is the best thing you can do especially with bitcoin which has already proven it's growth in a decade.

Investment in long term will give you abundant time so that you can gradually do your accumulation of Bitcoin. By no hurry of accumulation, but gradual accumulation instead, you can use DCA strategy very comfortably for accumulation practice. You have time, have a good investment strategy DCA, and you only need to have good income so that you can use part of it as discretionary income for your DCA.

This strategy is good for your accumulation and also for withdrawal when you need to take profit partially for having money to use. DCA in for accumulation and DCA out for taking profit.

[FortuneFollower]

In regards to hodling, I think that DCA and having a goal when it comes to when you are going to sell your bitcoin would help you avoid being the sucker in this market where giant conglomerates are trying to make money out of the small hodlers and then crashing the market at the end,

It really depends on what kind of investor you are. Long term investors do not have to worry about what happens to the price of BTC in the short term. I am a long term investor and i also do not have any fixed time to sell BTC. Manipulations from institutions is usually a short term thing and its effect does not last long, that is why if possible, i usually recommend holding for the long term. Take note that BTC is not also a pump and dump coin that can be pumped and dumped at will, nope it isn't.

It can be affected by the world just like all the rest of the coins, though, to a smaller extent, with that, I would agree.

It's still the best coin to hodl, but it can still experience big crashes over small periods of time (relatively speaking).

[bitzizzix]

In regards to hodling, I think that DCA and having a goal when it comes to when you are going to sell your bitcoin would help you avoid being the sucker in this market where giant conglomerates are trying to make money out of the small hodlers and then crashing the market at the end,

It really depends on what kind of investor you are. Long term investors do not have to worry about what happens to the price of BTC in the short term. I am a long term investor and i also do not have any fixed time to sell BTC. Manipulations from institutions is usually a short term thing and its effect does not last long, that is why if possible, i usually recommend holding for the long term. Take note that BTC is not also a pump and dump coin that can be pumped and dumped at will, nope it isn't.

You're right, it all depends on the investor, which I believe applies to all forms of investment, but Bitcoin is a long-term investment that I find very promising. And I remain very confident that its track record will repeat itself and its price will continue to rise over time. While price declines are inevitable, long-term holders won't be concerned because they believe that in the long run, the price will eventually reverse and continue to rise.
I'm also a long-term holder with no fixed term limit who will continue holding until I'm satisfied with my profits, so whatever happens won't worry me until I reach my goal.