Question about alts: same payout address = automatic tag?

[mark89012]

I’ve been seeing a lot of alts getting exposed lately for cheating, so I figured I should ask for clarification on something.

If two different accounts send their balance to the exact same address, is that already enough to consider them alts and tag them? Or are there cases where this kind of transaction doesn’t really prove anything yet?

Just want to understand where the line is, since some situations look suspicious but might still have a reasonable explanation. Anyone who has more experience with tagging alts, feel free to share your thoughts.

[SamReomo]

Just want to understand where the line is, since some situations look suspicious but might still have a reasonable explanation. Anyone who has more experience with tagging alts, feel free to share your thoughts.

If I'm not wrong then this thread is meant to learn something that how one could create alts and still be safe? Your account is quite new and it seems like an alt account to me, and you think the members of the forum who catch alts are so naive that they'll tell you such details.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I’ve been seeing a lot of alts getting exposed lately for cheating, so I figured I should ask for clarification on something.

You just registered your account a few hours ago, how is it possible you have been seeing what has been going on? You seem to have a very keen interest for the Reputation board right from the word go.

If two different accounts send their balance to the exact same address, is that already enough to consider them alts and tag them? Or are there cases where this kind of transaction doesn’t really prove anything yet?

Why worry about the tags if there is nothing wrong you did?
Why are you trying to run yet no one is chasing you? Guilty much?

[Xiestar]

It’s a case to case basis.

There’s a life outside the forum which P2P exists for different kind of transactions.

Investigator usually checks different angle such as post pattern, activity, timing of transactions and etc.

Having a transaction on same address doesn’t automatically mean alt account except if they are doing this regularly with small time interval.

Just want to understand where the line is, since some situations look suspicious but might still have a reasonable explanation. Anyone who has more experience with tagging alts, feel free to share your thoughts.

If I'm not wrong then this thread is meant to learn something that how one could create alts and still be safe? Your account is quite new and it seems like an alt account to me, and you think the members of the forum who catch alts are so naive that they'll tell you such details.

Lmao, there’s nothing to hide. Do you think cheaters that caught before didn’t come back here and become more careful?

Check merit whore user from Nigeria and Indonesia. Their merit distribution is clear pattern that they are connected and the way they submit their application in campaign to hide their wallet address.

The only cheater being caught now are those old account that has track record and sadly even the slightest circumstantial evidence is being used to caught alt account while these merit whores left untouched.

[mark89012]

Just want to understand where the line is, since some situations look suspicious but might still have a reasonable explanation. Anyone who has more experience with tagging alts, feel free to share your thoughts.

If I'm not wrong then this thread is meant to learn something that how one could create alts and still be safe? Your account is quite new and it seems like an alt account to me, and you think the members of the forum who catch alts are so naive that they'll tell you such details.

Rather than jumping to conclusions about my account, I think it’s better if we stay objective about the question itself.

I’m just trying to understand how these situations are evaluated, not defend any alt or learn how to hide one.

Sticking to the topic would make the discussion more useful for everyone.

It’s a case to case basis.

There’s a life outside the forum which P2P exists for different kind of transactions.

Investigator usually checks different angle such as post pattern, activity, timing of transactions and etc.

Having a transaction on same address doesn’t automatically mean alt account except if they are doing this regularly with small time interval.

That make sense but is it necessary to prove that  its a p2p transaction? if so, how can you prove it.

[Karl_3000]

Having a transaction on same address doesn’t automatically mean alt account except if they are doing this regularly with small time interval.

Yes, there are still excuses that can be valid for some people but I am not telling the OP because if that happened to someone that is not guilty, the person will know about it and make it as an excuse which can be accepted. But some people will be lying, having the same posting style which can further be used if the person is lying or not.

[SamReomo]

Check merit whore user from Nigeria and Indonesia. Their merit distribution is clear pattern that they are connected and the way they submit their application in campaign to hide their wallet address.

Well, merit farming is really an issue but that has nothing to do with what this user was asking, the ones who find merit farming or find the users who do such type of thing should report that but I will still say that the ones who take down the alt accounts should not answer the OP and share such information.

Sticking to the topic would make the discussion more useful for everyone.

Well, that's say if we stick to the topic and share such information then who should find such information useful? Most probably the ones who try to hide their alt accounts and do such type of act without worrying about getting caught. That's why I will say again that there's no need to share such information because it can be misused.

[Apocollapse]

Lmao, there’s nothing to hide. Do you think cheaters that caught before didn’t come back here and become more careful?

Check merit whore user from Nigeria and Indonesia. Their merit distribution is clear pattern that they are connected and the way they submit their application in campaign to hide their wallet address.

The only cheater being caught now are those old account that has track record and sadly even the slightest circumstantial evidence is being used to caught alt account while these merit whores left untouched.

True, I ever caught alt accounts and make them got negative feedback, then one of the account update his signature using swear words. Then after few days I unintentionally see a new account using the same local language and using the same place where he live in his profile. If I report him just because of using the same location without any more evidence, I'm sure people would say my accusation is false.

I think the account is still active and participating in signature campaign.

Yeah since merit sharing didn't give any problem, that's why they don't give a fuck.

[SatoPrincess]

I’ve been seeing a lot of alts getting exposed lately for cheating, so I figured I should ask for clarification on something.

This isn’t usually the kind of things newbies are interested in, which makes me think that you’re not a newbie and might possibly be a old member who’s trying to find a rationale to protect his accounts if caught.

If two different accounts send their balance to the exact same address, is that already enough to consider them alts and tag them? Or are there cases where this kind of transaction doesn’t really prove anything yet?

I believe this quote answers your question.

To anyone trying to find alt accounts through bitcoin transactions:
Exchanges usually consolidate all deposits into a single address. You should always pay attention to this. Otherwise, you will get many wrong results.

If two or more addresses belong to a non-custodial wallet and are co-spent in a single transaction, there's a very very high probability that they are owned by the same person.
If two or more addresses belong to an exchange (or any other custodial service), it's normal that they are co-spent in a single transaction.

[Shishir99]

If two different accounts send their balance to the exact same address, is that already enough to consider them alts and tag them? Or are there cases where this kind of transaction doesn’t really prove anything yet?

Not really.
If a person has two accounts and it is known, they can use the same address if they do not cheat. Even if it is unknown, the community won't bother even if they get cought using the same address. There are a lot of things on the forum which is frowned upon. They should not violate any forum rules. They should not do any unethical things such as cheating on campaigns with multiple accounts, exchange merits between their accounts, talk to themself in threads, manipulating the DT voting and a couple more that I do not remember at this moment.

It is understandable that you may have multiple accounts and you do not want to talk about it from one of your account. Just a friendly tip: do not violate any forum rules, do not do anything unethical.

[FinneysTrueVision]

If multiple accounts use the same address to apply for signature campaigns, then that is almost always a clear indicator of those accounts being alts.

If people are receiving payments in different addresses but then they’re sent to the same address, that doesn’t always mean they’re alts. Many people use exchange addresses to receive their signature payments and those funds end up in the same hot wallet. There are also some instant exchanges and other services which reuse deposit addresses for multiple users.

In cases where it is not immediately obvious if they are alts then you have to do further analysis on their wallet history and forum posts to look for clear evidence.

[JollyGood]

It does seem somewhat odd that you created this thread to ask the question with a newbie account. The logical conclusion is that you are operating various accounts in your farm and did not want to bring attention to them therefore registered a newbie account to remain anonymous instead.

I’ve been seeing a lot of alts getting exposed lately for cheating, so I figured I should ask for clarification on something.

If two different accounts send their balance to the exact same address, is that already enough to consider them alts and tag them? Or are there cases where this kind of transaction doesn’t really prove anything yet?

Just want to understand where the line is, since some situations look suspicious but might still have a reasonable explanation. Anyone who has more experience with tagging alts, feel free to share your thoughts.