Question about alts: same payout address = automatic tag?

[YOSHIE]

I’ve been seeing a lot of alts getting exposed lately for cheating, so I figured I should ask for clarification on something.

If you send coins repeatedly to the same address and you also use the old and new addresses, and you can prove that you do it as often as possible, both addresses A, B and C need to be suspected, it is very likely that Alt often does this.

If you want coins to another participant who is not your Alt, it is impossible for you to do it as often as possible and repeatedly, usually someone makes a transaction only once or twice, not all the time, for example the campaign results you get are collected to one exchange address.

Usually, the Tools linked to their addresses are proven to carry out transactions with several addresses both old and new and this happens several times, that's my view.

[SamReomo]

There's so much information on this forum; it's very easy to piece it together and avoid being caught by the same criteria that typically identify alt accounts. People who ask questions like these are likely to be outright afraid of being discovered. I'd like to point out to those who are truly playing the "catch me" game that pretending to be different people is quite difficult.

Yes, information about such things is available on this forum and one can do that thing easily if he/she is good at technical level and is somehow a computer geek. For computer geeks it's not much hard to have such multiple accounts and in fact it's allowed to have alt accounts on this forum but those who have alt accounts and use those to cheat signature campaigns are the ones who will at one step will get caught.

[Zoomic]

The question its self is the reason why they are jumping to conclusions. You are fishing for info to better hide your actions IMO. No newbie account is ever going to be interested in this topic and these guys shouldn't try to make you smarter for what is deemed unacceptable behavior here.

This is the case of, "I want to understand how things work so that I won't fall victim"
Or
Someone's addresses are linked and they are trying to know if there is a way out...
Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong. The forum supports creating alt to speak on some certain issues you wouldn't do with your main account.

[lovesmayfamilis]

This is the case of, "I want to understand how things work so that I won't fall victim"
Or
Someone's addresses are linked and they are trying to know if there is a way out...

I'll show you a rough solution anyone with alternative accounts could use. Imagine this explanation.

I know this might be a lame excuse but if it's about one person operating two different account here on the forum, then the two account sending bitcoin to the same wallet address isn't a good enough reason for a negative tag, I tell you why.. I have a friend, actually someone I'm staying in the same compound with, he's on this forum but still a junior member, but he's already a hero member on the other forum and he's participating in a signature campaign there, and when ever payment is made, he usually sends the bitcoin to my own cex bitcoin address, I help him sell the bitcoin, convert to our local currency and the send the money over to his bank account, reason for this is because he's not been able to pass kyc verification on his own cex account, they kept rejecting his type of document and having no other, and also having me around, he stopped trying.
Now, imagine someone coming around to accuse me of operating two account simply because my account and his sends bitcoin to the same cex wallet address???

If you warn about this situation in advance, then you're not deliberately creating an alibi for yourself: "I already wrote about this before." Furthermore, participation in the same campaign and everything else would seem like no reason to raise suspicion. I'm not blaming the person whose quote I cited, but it could serve as a rather clever disguise and insurance against unexpected future mistakes

[Pandu Geddon]

That make sense but is it necessary to prove that  its a p2p transaction? if so, how can you prove it.

Of course, it needs to be done for defense purposes. Any evidence that the accused can present to defend themselves will be valid. This could include screenshots of transaction conversations or other evidence if the accused has them. I usually use transaction evidence to strengthen proof for making accusations. But we do need to look at it on a case-by-case basis, especially for greedy accounts in bounty campaigns.

An innocent person will surely have a reasonable defense that can be proven when they are accused. But you will notice that those who are guilty will choose to remain silent to avoid revealing more of the alternate accounts they control.

[Satofan44]

This could include screenshots of transaction conversations or other evidence if the accused has them.

Screenshots of conversations are trivially faked.

[dkbit98]

If two different accounts send their balance to the exact same address, is that already enough to consider them alts and tag them? Or are there cases where this kind of transaction doesn’t really prove anything yet?

It should not be automatic tag, but it's certainly very suspicious behavior.
There are some rear cases where people could use same addresses, but there need to be a good explanation for this.
For definite confirmation of alt accounts there needs to be more connections, maybe with merits, or having similar writing style.

[Rikafip]

There are some rear cases where people could use same addresses, but there need to be a good explanation for this.

I can imagine a scenario where 2 people are using the same address, but problem with this excuse is that it has been used so many times by those who got caught red handed that basically no one will believe it anymore.

[nutildah]

There are some rear cases where people could use same addresses, but there need to be a good explanation for this.

I can imagine a scenario where 2 people are using the same address, but problem with this excuse is that it has been used so many times by those who got caught red handed that basically no one will believe it anymore.

If people let their alts be known ahead of time then it wouldn't be a problem. So for honest forum members, this is what they should be doing. Pretending to not be somebody else will always cause problems.

[LoyceV]

Pretending to not be somebody else will always cause problems.

At first, I thought you made a mistake, but then I realized my real name isn't Loyce Valenzuela, so now I agree

[nutildah]

Pretending to not be somebody else will always cause problems.

At first, I thought you made a mistake, but then I realized my real name isn't Loyce Valenzuela, so now I agree

I don't think many people think of you as that, they think of you as "LoyceV." Anyway the point remains. And I wouldn't even be mad if I found out you had a secret cabal of alt accounts that you used to game the entire forum, because you do enough good to make up for it. It would be a wash.

[LoyceV]

I wouldn't even be mad if I found out you had a secret cabal of alt accounts that you used to game the entire forum

Lol. Contrary to popular belief, I'm human and don't have time for this
But if I did, I wouldn't be dumb enough to use the same payout address.