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December 06, 2025, 08:16:01 AM
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Our fiat money system usd eur and many other western nations money is not backed by gold neither oil much but its backed by crisis the "crisis are new gold and oil in our financial system"
It started off course with covid 19

Until there is crisis until then we see prosperity and economic growth.
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I've been wanting to discuss about this topic for a while now and I am grateful that someone brings it up today, but you still don't explain how a country benefits from crisis.

I will wait for other people's opinion about this topic first, all I know presently is that war somehow brings benefits to those who made it happen and even in the past histories this have been the same, I just can't figure out how yet.

In my country there is unrest from attackers, people are been killed almost everyday and many are blaming it in on the jihadists/Muslims because the most affected victims are Christians, I later heard that this affected areas are filled with precious stones in the ground.

They plan to bring the unrest to people living in these few states so that they can leave or die in the process and the precious stones will be harvested later.


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Economic inequality is a strong reason why a fiat currency system, which is poorly managed in certain countries, will never be resilient.
COVID-19 is simply an experiment to test how resilient society is to such a system, although I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
Like it or not, we, as ordinary citizens, must be prepared to survive any eventuality.
I myself have prepared steps to deal with a system that could trigger a crisis.

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December 06, 2025, 12:23:16 PM
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So, in other words the more frequent crises occur, the more the money printing press works, and the economy appears to be growing but it appears fake. Because crises give governments free rein to print money without them, it would be considered an extreme policy that could be challenged.
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December 06, 2025, 12:42:06 PM
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I've been wanting to discuss about this topic for a while now and I am grateful that someone brings it up today, but you still don't explain how a country benefits from crisis.

I will wait for other people's opinion about this topic first, all I know presently is that war somehow brings benefits to those who made it happen and even in the past histories this have been the same, I just can't figure out how yet.

In my country there is unrest from attackers, people are been killed almost everyday and many are blaming it in on the jihadists/Muslims because the most affected victims are Christians, I later heard that this affected areas are filled with precious stones in the ground.

They plan to bring the unrest to people living in these few states so that they can leave or die in the process and the precious stones will be harvested later.



You little out of topic, my point was that our fiat money system cant survive without crisis.
Crisis means forced situation to take more debt countries wich trade defecite are balanced and healthy can deal with inflation and fiscal problems better.

But dollar is not oil currency anymore large part of oil deals happening with brics nation currencies allready so whats left for dollars and euros are crisis another thing is green energy exports if europe could start this but not any time soon.
Whats left is something what can be used to circle money around and lower rates to sustain economy is crisis so another way to say fiat money is backed by CRISIS what are crisis ? _ all the wars health and envoirement crisis dont forget that fear of climate and envoiremental situation is also kind of crisis.
In crisis goverments will borrow more money and keep the econony alive to make sure inflation not going to high and money dont lose its value they make higher taxes and pump markets to make commodities and raw materials a lot more expensive.

Rich ones dont sell all their btc or gold they borrow against btc and gold to keep those assets to go up in value and borrowing even more against crypto btc and gold it will bring more and more money into system, its good for those who benefit of this by holding btc and gold.

What are the gold and btc ? Its a hedge against crisis we not going to see any bigger crash any time soon but more crisis will come locally and globally to pump even higher the gold and btc.

Off course when bubble will pop it will be huge DEFLATION it will be not blamed on whales or big short sellers but off course covid wars cyber attacks kind of events.

Until there will be stablecoins leading by usdc circle fully ready to reset the system there would be full crisis mode to keep markets bullish and fake economy booming.

Are there another way ? No there isnt !

By time frame it could be about 2028 by this time they got stablecoins ready so we got 2 years to pump and sell gold btc to get stablecoins so trump and his team will make new stablecoins standard economy in latin america they allready tested this with stablecoins they funded their political leaders there off course before 2028 those leaders not needed anymore they was only needed to be used.

All this works because of ignorance of people because people generally dont care about justice or morals the general attitude are now days this. Until someone dont lose home job or compfort standard of living person dont think about global problems much and dont even want to know how system works but crisis touching your life for real then its too late to start thinking anf educating yourself suddenly when something happens people start to be interested about all more deeper.

Ignorance and dont care attitude is key how this system works and our elite nobility the bankers are nothing more then our teachers to teach us bad way to wake up.

In fact that we live in society of big ignorance shows that if something bad happens many people dont think about to help but they care more about making first some tiktok video for example car accidents we live in society where instead of helping people will start first making videos and pictueres to share on social media.

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December 08, 2025, 09:37:02 AM
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Our fiat money system usd eur and many other western nations money is not backed by gold neither oil much but its backed by crisis the "crisis are new gold and oil in our financial system"
It started off course with covid 19

Until there is crisis until then we see prosperity and economic growth.

The crisis only forced the use of extreme monetary tools like QE, but the value of fiat remained based on trust and mandatory revenues through the fiscal system. Therefore, it wasn't supported by the crisis, but by the country's capacity to generate demand for its currency (national economic productivity, tax collection capacity, central bank credibility, domestic financial market liquidity, and the geopolitical power behind it).

What triggered the post-crisis recovery was government or central bank stimulus, while the crisis itself damaged the economy. What was seen was the illusion of a rebound because the base had collapsed.

If the crisis were the new gold, then the monetary system would become dependent on the crisis, not a healthy foundation for fiat. This reflects reactive monetary policy, not the fundamental character of fiat money itself.

COVID accelerated a pattern that had existed since 1971, not the beginning of the system. After Bretton Woods, fiat operated through inflation management, banking stability, and fiscal-monetary coordination. Therefore, COVID merely accelerated financialization and dependence on stimulus, not creating a new paradigm that crisis backs value.

Real prosperity doesn't emerge from crises, but from productivity, a strong workforce, and a healthy distribution of capital without extreme inequality. What should be real in the economy is structural growth, not spurious growth driven by liquidity injections.


I've been wanting to discuss about this topic for a while now and I am grateful that someone brings it up today, but you still don't explain how a country benefits from crisis.

I will wait for other people's opinion about this topic first, all I know presently is that war somehow brings benefits to those who made it happen and even in the past histories this have been the same, I just can't figure out how yet.

In my country there is unrest from attackers, people are been killed almost everyday and many are blaming it in on the jihadists/Muslims because the most affected victims are Christians, I later heard that this affected areas are filled with precious stones in the ground.

They plan to bring the unrest to people living in these few states so that they can leave or die in the process and the precious stones will be harvested later.



The state doesn't actually gain economic benefits from the crisis; it's the small group with access to power and capital that benefits. The crisis simply creates conditions in which the rule of law weakens, communities lose bargaining power, and assets can be seized or bought cheaply. This includes local conflicts, often not about religion, but about the struggle for resources. The conflict is given a religious narrative to appear natural, when in reality, the motives are economic and power-driven. So, it's true that some parties benefit, but it's not the state, but rather the elites exploiting the crisis.



You little out of topic, my point was that our fiat money system cant survive without crisis.
Crisis means forced situation to take more debt countries wich trade defecite are balanced and healthy can deal with inflation and fiscal problems better.

But dollar is not oil currency anymore large part of oil deals happening with brics nation currencies allready so whats left for dollars and euros are crisis another thing is green energy exports if europe could start this but not any time soon.
Whats left is something what can be used to circle money around and lower rates to sustain economy is crisis so another way to say fiat money is backed by CRISIS what are crisis ? _ all the wars health and envoirement crisis dont forget that fear of climate and envoiremental situation is also kind of crisis.
In crisis goverments will borrow more money and keep the econony alive to make sure inflation not going to high and money dont lose its value they make higher taxes and pump markets to make commodities and raw materials a lot more expensive.

Rich ones dont sell all their btc or gold they borrow against btc and gold to keep those assets to go up in value and borrowing even more against crypto btc and gold it will bring more and more money into system, its good for those who benefit of this by holding btc and gold.

What are the gold and btc ? Its a hedge against crisis we not going to see any bigger crash any time soon but more crisis will come locally and globally to pump even higher the gold and btc.

Off course when bubble will pop it will be huge DEFLATION it will be not blamed on whales or big short sellers but off course covid wars cyber attacks kind of events.

Until there will be stablecoins leading by usdc circle fully ready to reset the system there would be full crisis mode to keep markets bullish and fake economy booming.

Are there another way ? No there isnt !

By time frame it could be about 2028 by this time they got stablecoins ready so we got 2 years to pump and sell gold btc to get stablecoins so trump and his team will make new stablecoins standard economy in latin america they allready tested this with stablecoins they funded their political leaders there off course before 2028 those leaders not needed anymore they was only needed to be used.

All this works because of ignorance of people because people generally dont care about justice or morals the general attitude are now days this. Until someone dont lose home job or compfort standard of living person dont think about global problems much and dont even want to know how system works but crisis touching your life for real then its too late to start thinking anf educating yourself suddenly when something happens people start to be interested about all more deeper.

Ignorance and dont care attitude is key how this system works and our elite nobility the bankers are nothing more then our teachers to teach us bad way to wake up.

In fact that we live in society of big ignorance shows that if something bad happens many people dont think about to help but they care more about making first some tiktok video for example car accidents we live in society where instead of helping people will start first making videos and pictueres to share on social media.



You seem to be mistaken in your conclusion: the fiat system's dependence on crises is not the foundation, but rather a symptom of government failure in fiscal-monetary management.

The financial elite who manage fiat depend on crises because they have an excuse to print money, lower interest rates, expand public debt, and pump up asset markets. What creates this dependence on crises is the financialization of the economy, the dominance of 3% of asset owners, and a central bank incentive structure that prioritizes capital market rescue. What needs crises is the top of the pyramid system that thrives on volatility and stimulus.

The dollar's underpinnings are US tax power (federal taxes automatically create demand for USD), the dominance and depth of US financial markets, where the Treasury market is the most liquid market in the world, and geopolitical and military influence (800+ military bases are instruments that maintain the USD's superiority). Therefore, the petrodollar is not the foundation.

Crises are triggers for intervention, not fuel for the economy, and crises are not new commodities. Distrust in monetary policy, falling real interest rates, and QE-fueled asset inflation (which drives up the price of gold and bitcoin) prove that the fiat structure is manipulated to protect asset owners, not the public. Gold and Bitcoin are a way out of an unequal system.

Financial elites are indeed adept at exploiting crises and using central banks as a hedge, but they can't always control when and how crises occur.

Do you believe USDC and stablecoins can unilaterally reset the global system? Because stablecoins cannot replace the USD unless the US changes the legal framework, the banking system overhauls its business model, and central banks agree to full integration. In fact, stablecoins are not recognized as legal tender, are not a means of storing bank reserves, and are vulnerable to regulatory shutdowns.

My Conclusion
Crises are not the foundation of fiat; they are symptoms of flawed policies and an unequal economic structure.
The dollar didn't lose value because oil stopped trading in USD; its value is supported by fiscal trust, US financial markets, and its geopolitical power.
Gold and Bitcoin are indeed hedges, but they are hedges against policy manipulation, not hedges because crises set new standards for the monetary system.

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December 09, 2025, 04:20:42 PM
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Our fiat money system usd eur and many other western nations money is not backed by gold neither oil much but its backed by crisis the "crisis are new gold and oil in our financial system"
It started off course with covid 19

Until there is crisis until then we see prosperity and economic growth.
Don't Forget that government is the back bone of fiat money in every country, and they have the power to make it flow the way they want it in the country. If you see any fait money causing crisis in any country just know that government hand is on it , because they can decide to print more money to reduce the inflation in the country, but there are some government officials that is making money from the fiat money crisis.

That COVID 19 you are talking about, do you know that some group of people that gage up to brought out that virus disease that nearly collapse the world economic, because they have prepared some drugs already they will use to convince the world as a solution to the virus, but many government experience financial challenge through out the months the virus was on ground.


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December 09, 2025, 05:42:23 PM
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Our fiat money system usd eur and many other western nations money is not backed by gold neither oil much but its backed by crisis the "crisis are new gold and oil in our financial system"
It started off course with covid 19

Until there is crisis until then we see prosperity and economic growth.
I don't understand your point because there has never been a time a currency is backed by crisis, such line of reasoning does not even hold water. I think you are missing a lot as regards how the financial system works because crisis create open does for anyone to explore, although some crisis are started by some people for economic gains but that does not mean anyone cannot take advantage to enrich themselves.  The covid 19 you mentioned created so many billionaires in China and other parts of the world and not all European currency that gained during that time. Although we saw the strengthening of the US dollar far more than anything we have seen because people believed that if dollar falls, then the world would collapse.

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In my country there is unrest from attackers, people are been killed almost everyday and many are blaming it in on the jihadists/Muslims because the most affected victims are Christians, I later heard that this affected areas are filled with precious stones in the ground.

They plan to bring the unrest to people living in these few states so that they can leave or die in the process and the precious stones will be harvested later.


These are all setup for some government that are planning to benefit from some of the natural resources our country have. I believe you mean Nigeria where the government don’t care about the insecurity around the country and went further to help other neighboring countries to rescue their democratic government.

The US that is aiming to come to their rescue have something as target, and the main reason why they use Christian as the topic to distract the general public’s because the Muslim states have a lot of mineral resources that should be mine and be useful to them since they know that all eye will be on oil and petroleum because the region with petroleum is occupied by the Christians. Nevertheless all these are been backed by crises to raise more money for themselves, nothing else, and we need to be wise enough to think vast to eliminate all these from our side.

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December 09, 2025, 06:13:33 PM
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Don't people get it?
The entire system works on credit. Based on growth. So inflation is part of the system.
When a stock drops 4% ist not a catastrophe, it is normal.
A correction of 10% is neither a shock treatment. it is normal. 

What makes everything a crisis is the narrow mindedness of people.
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December 09, 2025, 06:16:34 PM
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Our fiat money system usd eur and many other western nations money is not backed by gold neither oil much but its backed by crisis the "crisis are new gold and oil in our financial system"
It started off course with covid 19

Until there is crisis until then we see prosperity and economic growth.
I don't understand your point because there has never been a time a currency is backed by crisis, such line of reasoning does not even hold water. I think you are missing a lot as regards how the financial system works because crisis create open does for anyone to explore, although some crisis are started by some people for economic gains but that does not mean anyone cannot take advantage to enrich themselves.  The covid 19 you mentioned created so many billionaires in China and other parts of the world and not all European currency that gained during that time. Although we saw the strengthening of the US dollar far more than anything we have seen because people believed that if dollar falls, then the world would collapse.
I almost disagreed with the op, but after a careful thought, I could not help but agree with him. The fiat is getting weaker today because the government anytime there is crisis, will choose to respond to the crisis by printing more money or pumping in more money into circulation. The after result of these their action is that there will inflation as a result of more money in circulation. Alot of citizens usually experience decline in their purchasing power during that period. Ofcourse, some greedy and selfish government officials use crisis as an avenue to enrich their pockets. We can't honestly play ignorance to the fact that crisis shape the financial system of any country and it doesn't strengthen the fiat at all, it weakens it.

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I almost disagreed with the op, but after a careful thought, I could not help but agree with him. The fiat is getting weaker today because the government anytime there is crisis, will choose to respond to the crisis by printing more money or pumping in more money into circulation. The after result of these their action is that there will inflation as a result of more money in circulation. Alot of citizens usually experience decline in their purchasing power during that period. Ofcourse, some greedy and selfish government officials use crisis as an avenue to enrich their pockets. We can't honestly play ignorance to the fact that crisis shape the financial system of any country and it doesn't strengthen the fiat at all, it weakens it.
Of course, crisis worsen the economy of any country because money is needed to take care of crisis. It will also hinder the growth of business in that region. Government gets loans from the banks in order to take care of crisis and banks prints more money to meet up with the needed amount.

New money leads to inflation because government will make the people pay this back from loans given out to the citizens. This is how inflation has been on the rise since the creation of fiat currency.

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But dollar is not oil currency anymore large part of oil deals happening with brics nation currencies allready so whats left for dollars and euros are crisis another thing is green energy exports if europe could start this but not any time soon.
Whats left is something what can be used to circle money around and lower rates to sustain economy is crisis so another way to say fiat money is backed by CRISIS what are crisis ? _ all the wars health and envoirement crisis dont forget that fear of climate and envoiremental situation is also kind of crisis.
In crisis goverments will borrow more money and keep the econony alive to make sure inflation not going to high and money dont lose its value they make higher taxes and pump markets to make commodities and raw materials a lot more expensive.

I think I will find a way to agree with you a little bitcoin because from what I’m seeing the dollar is now back by crisis, not just national crisis like health and environmental crisis but including international wars, spiked by dollar or euro nations in other to destabilize an economy that will prone to borrow from them or another country of mutuality in order to maintain the relevance of dollar. Hence I agree with you if this is the idea behind your statement because from what we can see and connecting the dots it’s clear what we are talking about here.

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I almost disagreed with the op, but after a careful thought, I could not help but agree with him. The fiat is getting weaker today because the government anytime there is crisis, will choose to respond to the crisis by printing more money or pumping in more money into circulation. The after result of these their action is that there will inflation as a result of more money in circulation.

Is this a thing of today? I would say since the arrival of fiat currency the government has actually been able to live on this by printing more money, and it’s causes the continually increase of inflation and sorry to say I don’t think there will be a stop to actually stopping inflation or something like that because the government through the excess borrowing of money from banks and with that load of debt on them can only print more money.

For me citizen now should actually instead of hoarding stack of money should simply look at the side of investment into precious assets or digital currencies like bitcoin with value and not wait on fiat gaining value over again

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But dollar is not oil currency anymore large part of oil deals happening with brics nation currencies allready so whats left for dollars and euros are crisis another thing is green energy exports if europe could start this but not any time soon.
Whats left is something what can be used to circle money around and lower rates to sustain economy is crisis so another way to say fiat money is backed by CRISIS what are crisis ? _ all the wars health and envoirement crisis dont forget that fear of climate and envoiremental situation is also kind of crisis.
In crisis goverments will borrow more money and keep the econony alive to make sure inflation not going to high and money dont lose its value they make higher taxes and pump markets to make commodities and raw materials a lot more expensive.

I think I will find a way to agree with you a little bitcoin because from what I’m seeing the dollar is now back by crisis, not just national crisis like health and environmental crisis but including international wars, spiked by dollar or euro nations in other to destabilize an economy that will prone to borrow from them or another country of mutuality in order to maintain the relevance of dollar. Hence I agree with you if this is the idea behind your statement because from what we can see and connecting the dots it’s clear what we are talking about here.
If the aim of the crisis that you think dollar is backing is for destabilizing economies then how about countries that their own government are the one destabilizing the economy.
I will concede to you that fiat can sometimes benefit during crisis and more if the crisis are to the gain of the economy of The fiat.
Wars has fiat that gains from it and Fiat that won’t benefit but fall because of it, but why single out the Dollar like they are the only fiat that gains from crisis.

 
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Fiat system is still backed by people's trust in the government.
And crisis usually shows vulnerabilities in the Fiat system
Hence why inflation is usually off the roof and many people start running towards stable coins like Gold.


I think the question is why is there constant crisis? What's the benefit
Well sometimes there are certain policies that the government would find easier to push during crisis.

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I think I will find a way to agree with you a little bitcoin because from what I’m seeing the dollar is now back by crisis, not just national crisis like health and environmental crisis but including international wars, spiked by dollar or euro nations in other to destabilize an economy that will prone to borrow from them or another country of mutuality in order to maintain the relevance of dollar. Hence I agree with you if this is the idea behind your statement because from what we can see and connecting the dots it’s clear what we are talking about here.
If the aim of the crisis that you think dollar is backing is for destabilizing economies then how about countries that their own government are the one destabilizing the economy.
I will concede to you that fiat can sometimes benefit during crisis and more if the crisis are to the gain of the economy of The fiat.
Wars has fiat that gains from it and Fiat that won’t benefit but fall because of it, but why single out the Dollar like they are the only fiat that gains from crisis.
You may not agree with me but then I understand that I made dollar a particular concern, yeah i probably have not much clue on how much countries with pounds and other currencies participate in wars but I’m fully aware of how much crisis that the dollar headed countries have initiated in most economies with high oil reserves, so we can say that every government benefits from it internal crisis because they can call other countries to borrow and keep the debt flowing but international concerns are more in the dollar country most especially the trump government.

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A fiat financial system without backup or gold reserves for its foreign exchange will be very vulnerable to experiencing inflation or a significant decline in value. For example, the USD is currently experiencing very high inflation, the issue of America's debt reaching 37 trillion dollars, plus many countries conducting dedollarization, meaning they do not use the USD in their foreign transactions, causing the USD's value to plummet further. This might be the beginning of the downfall of the old king, in this case America, and a new king may emerge in this world, possibly China, which will replace America to lead and become the king of the world in the global economy.





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Our fiat money system usd eur and many other western nations money is not backed by gold neither oil much but its backed by crisis the "crisis are new gold and oil in our financial system"
It started off course with covid 19

Until there is crisis until then we see prosperity and economic growth.

Yeah, it's not backed by gold because that is incredibly dumb and outdated. It's just the same as saying the whole world should use bitcoin for every transaction, it's simply not realistic because the blockchain cannot handle even a few percent of all the daily electronic transfers that take place across all other payment networks today. Fiat currency has fluctuated over time, trending up and down with the economy of the country, it's politics and trust from other countries - but it is needed right now because there is simply no other replacement for it. The fact that you think money ever was or could be backed by oil is even crazier and shows you have little grasp of the economics behind money.

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The only countries that benefit from crises are the economically strong ones, those that provide the means such as food, technology, and machinery for industries. Economically weak and dependent countries tend to sink deeper and deeper into crises like the one caused by COVID-19. Many have not yet recovered. Good crisis management can greatly mitigate such situations. I believe that money is sustained by the belief people have in it; it only has value because they value it.

 
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