The Stake campaign is filled with frauds & questionable accounts

[nutildah]

And if someone is spamming, the best thing to do is report it to the moderators and manager, these types of threads have become a way for many to fill their post counts easily, lol...

It shouldn't be on the users to have to clean the forum of what can be some pretty obvious types of spam.

It took me 2 hours of research easy to make this thread, which is probably 2 hours longer than you have spent writing a post in the last 10 years. The fact that you can still get hired for a campaign is a testament to the sad state of affairs the forum currently finds itself in. The utter cognitive dissonance of rewarding dishonesty and stupidity in a forum about a financial utility meant to escape those things.

[AakZaki]

(...) allocates the most for weekly payments compared to the competition, as far as I know, at least 5+ managers are involved in the management of this campaign, and they are still considered the lowest quality and a hotbed of spam.

This is a difference between Rainbet and Stake:

Rainbet
No, sir. Rainbet has the largest weekly payment allocation, around $9,060 for its 174 participants.
However, Rainbet has a selective manager team.

Rainbet only pays for 20 posts per week, which minimizes spam from each participant.
The manager does not maintain participants who have financial misconduct RedTrust, especially those proven to have committed fraud in signature campaigns or bounties.
Stake
Their weekly payment allocation is around $5,000 for 65 participants.
Stake pays up to 60–70 posts for all participants, which creates a lot of spam from a single participant who makes posts within less than a 10 minute interval.
The manager is less selective, even cow, chicken and buffalo farms with RedTrust tags are still being used, possibly for that spam.

From these differences, we actually already know which one is better.
This data was taken from both spreadsheets for comparison.

[coupable]

It is possible that several of the spamming accounts are operated by the Stake campaign manager.

Although I have never had the opportunity to work on stake campaign, but I have a very good relationship with Caroll. It is a complete misconception that she could uses multiple accounts in her campaign. There may be some spammers in her campaign, but Caroll is a respected and trusted person.

And if someone is spamming, the best thing to do is report it to the moderators and manager, these types of threads have become a way for many to fill their post counts easily, lol...

It's Ok with reporting to moderators, but what the reason behind reporting to manager? The manager of stake campaign seems to count posts without checking its quality and this is what makes the campaign a mess of spam.

What makes me doubt about stake managing many accounts in the signature campaign is that they can run a quality campaign with the same set of rules and same budget. However they prefer running the campaign with few good posters and a bunch of spammers. The manager is involved in this scheme but I can't blame him alone.

[Plaguedeath]

Well the manager has their own view and they don't care about stats in this forum, if I'm not mistaken they don't consider merit as a way to judge the quality, so they might consider trust feedback is something not serious to their campaign.

Example, one of the participant is a part of farm, but if the participant didn't join the campaign with 2 or more accounts, I guess the manager will think it's not a problem for them because the cheat/fraud didn't happen to them.

Counting the number of posts does not equal to "managing" something, therefore this junk campaign does not have any managers. Nevertheless, indulge me. Who are these users? Can you you post their profiles?

Well you can see these users name https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14VXHQRQBbRVz_QXGz6dSjvtZZ7VCTksk1jfW6AdsrkY/edit?gid=443912476#gid=443912476

[JollyGood]

They could easily run a quality campaign with their budget and rules. Exactly why they have opted to not only go down this path but continue on it (after being called out) is baffling. It makes sense to have some good members in the campaign as their names could be cited if needed but the number of nonsense spouting and spamming accounts enrolled in the campaign, it does raise questions about exactly why the are getting paid.

It's Ok with reporting to moderators, but what the reason behind reporting to manager? The manager of stake campaign seems to count posts without checking its quality and this is what makes the campaign a mess of spam.

What makes me doubt about stake managing many accounts in the signature campaign is that they can run a quality campaign with the same set of rules and same budget. However they prefer running the campaign with few good posters and a bunch of spammers. The manager is involved in this scheme but I can't blame him alone.

[jg_btc]

1) They carelessly flood the forum with crap posts that nobody reads.

Nobody reads? Do you have any stats for this claim? Or Just an assumption?

I love to have your track record anything like this: 300 Good reports achieved!, before you assume what is interesting to whom.

Instead of taunting a business, why not focus on spam? With help of mods, you can make enforce the spammers to have zero to lesser payments by deleting the real spams.

Spammers may stop at some point, if your reports are convincing the mods.

[OgNasty]

I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with Stake as a company and their signature campaign participants. It is nice to have activity to discuss sports here and I don’t think anyone should care about the gambling section being overactive. If you like sports, the participation in discussions is welcome. I have a feeling a lot of people in this forum were hall monitors in school.

[nutildah]

1) They carelessly flood the forum with crap posts that nobody reads.

Nobody reads? Do you have any stats for this claim? Or Just an assumption?

I love to have your track record anything like this: 300 Good reports achieved!, before you assume what is interesting to whom.

There's no need to yell, I can hear you perfectly fine.

As a matter of fact I do have something like that which I posted in that thread.

Beyond the spam issue I'm tired of campaigns employing so many bought accounts. Its an insult to everyone who actually spent the time to rank their account up the right way. Especially employing the bought Donator account. The people who buy accounts tend to write shitty posts, and everyone knows this. Along with their failure to address the massive flood of spam, employing these accounts signifies Stake does not care about the forum whatsoever and will just leeching from it until its no longer cost effective.

[Rikafip]

Who are these users? Can you you post their profiles?

Here is the Stake team. Their extensive bitcointalk posting history could explain the ratings. 

Get to know our Management team:
- Jesse: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is the responsible for messaging new approved members. He also check everyone posts to prevent issues with people who use to edit empty posts to abuse from the campaign (an issue we have faced 2x in the past). Working with me for like 4 years.
- Adrian: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for like 6 years.
- CapHook: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2021. He is also one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for over 2 years now. (he is also the one to handle things when I am not around)
- Tiiks: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world late in 2023. He is one more of the team to read & rate everyone posts. He also works in the payments sheet.
- Bere: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world in the end of 2022 (when she started to work with me). She is responsible for reading & rating every single post from the campaign members. She also works in the payments sheet as a final reviewer (to prevent mispayments).
- Me: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2014. I am the responsible for handling custom deals & sending the payments. Beside that I am the one to reply to all the questions & try to solve any issue our campaign members may have as long as these will not overpass the campaign rules.

[JollyGood]

Exactly why there are too many low quality posters participating in the Stake campaign is open to debate. Having said that, there is a big difference between the two.

We must not forget, there are some very good members participating in the Stake campaign. Feel free to disagree with me, however I believe the only reason they are there is because their name can be cited by the campaign managers when accusations of spamming arise.

This is a difference between Rainbet and Stake:

Rainbet
No, sir. Rainbet has the largest weekly payment allocation, around $9,060 for its 174 participants.
However, Rainbet has a selective manager team.

Rainbet only pays for 20 posts per week, which minimizes spam from each participant.
The manager does not maintain participants who have financial misconduct RedTrust, especially those proven to have committed fraud in signature campaigns or bounties.
Stake
Their weekly payment allocation is around $5,000 for 65 participants.
Stake pays up to 60–70 posts for all participants, which creates a lot of spam from a single participant who makes posts within less than a 10 minute interval.
The manager is less selective, even cow, chicken and buffalo farms with RedTrust tags are still being used, possibly for that spam.

From these differences, we actually already know which one is better.
This data was taken from both spreadsheets for comparison.

[coupable]

They could easily run a quality campaign with their budget and rules. Exactly why they have opted to not only go down this path but continue on it (after being called out) is baffling. It makes sense to have some good members in the campaign as their names could be cited if needed but the number of nonsense spouting and spamming accounts enrolled in the campaign, it does raise questions about exactly why the are getting paid.

It's Ok with reporting to moderators, but what the reason behind reporting to manager? The manager of stake campaign seems to count posts without checking its quality and this is what makes the campaign a mess of spam.

What makes me doubt about stake managing many accounts in the signature campaign is that they can run a quality campaign with the same set of rules and same budget. However they prefer running the campaign with few good posters and a bunch of spammers. The manager is involved in this scheme but I can't blame him alone.

Another important point is that there is no spreadsheet link in the main campaign topic nor in any post later. We, as a community, can't verify anything about how things work in this campaign (number of participants, payout structure, number of posts...). Manager has the right to hide the spreadsheet for whatever reasons, but campaign participants themselves can't follow their activity within the campaign unless manager gave them limited access. This does raise many questions about the promotion model stake wants to persist.

[OgNasty]

They could easily run a quality campaign with their budget and rules. Exactly why they have opted to not only go down this path but continue on it (after being called out) is baffling. It makes sense to have some good members in the campaign as their names could be cited if needed but the number of nonsense spouting and spamming accounts enrolled in the campaign, it does raise questions about exactly why the are getting paid.

It's Ok with reporting to moderators, but what the reason behind reporting to manager? The manager of stake campaign seems to count posts without checking its quality and this is what makes the campaign a mess of spam.

What makes me doubt about stake managing many accounts in the signature campaign is that they can run a quality campaign with the same set of rules and same budget. However they prefer running the campaign with few good posters and a bunch of spammers. The manager is involved in this scheme but I can't blame him alone.

Another important point is that there is no spreadsheet link in the main campaign topic nor in any post later. We, as a community, can't verify anything about how things work in this campaign (number of participants, payout structure, number of posts...). Manager has the right to hide the spreadsheet for whatever reasons, but campaign participants themselves can't follow their activity within the campaign unless manager gave them limited access. This does raise many questions about the promotion model stake wants to persist.

We have gone from a community of people fighting for financial privacy to complaining about not knowing exactly how advertisers are paid by a private company…

I think that some participants have special deals that pay them differently than others. Much like employees working the same job are encouraged not to share their salaries to avoid jealousy, I don’t see any issue with Stake taking that same approach. It is normal behavior.

Do you really care about the details of how and what I’m paid? Why?

[robelneo]

Another important point is that there is no spreadsheet link in the main campaign topic nor in any post later. We, as a community, can't verify anything about how things work in this campaign (number of participants, payout structure, number of posts...). Manager has the right to hide the spreadsheet for whatever reasons, but campaign participants themselves can't follow their activity within the campaign unless manager gave them limited access. This does raise many questions about the promotion model stake wants to persist.

Yes, there is a spreadsheet, brother. You can access it here, and four members of the team check, monitor, and grade their posts and comment if there is a need to improve
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14VXHQRQBbRVz_QXGz6dSjvtZZ7VCTksk1jfW6AdsrkY/edit?gid=297541675#gid=297541675

I don't think the manager of the campaign, Carollzinha is managing accounts on Stake campaign, although this is just an opinion. I once worked on this campaign, and this lady is so easy to talk with and respond to anything you ask. You can message her and clarify the points that you've raised here.
I'm not defending Carollzinha, but it seems I am. 

[dkbit98]

OP I think you just opened a can of worms with this topic, but maybe manager finally pay some attention to members you mention.
Are we even sure that members listed in their spreadsheets are all who is participating,
or there are more hidden deals with other members and that is not published anywhere in spreadsheet?

How could it produce quality posts, Stake pays a maximum of 70 posts per week

I don't like to have limitations with number of posts per week, but 70 posts per week is really pushing the limits.
And it's silly to enable cheaters, spammers and hacked accounts to participate in this circus show.

[nutildah]

Thank you for pointing this out. It seems you've helped identify the problem:



If multiple people take the time out of their day to report or complain about a post because its that bad, I can assure you, the quality is not "ok".  The note reflects incredibly low standards and being out of touch with what the forum wants or expects.

Hiring so many bought accounts and spammers just encourages more account buying and spamming. Both of these things are bad for the forum as they encourage inherently dishonest participation, which lowers the overall quality of forum experience for honest participants, driving away traffic, resulting in lower campaign budgets, resulting in the hire of more bought accounts & spammers, repeat. Its a negative feedback loop.

[Majestic-milf]

I just saw this and it was really surprising. They pay for posts that aren't even limited per week. This makes every participant feel like they're in a race to make as many posts as possible and earn more money than others. 
I know not all participants registered in the campaign are like that. Now they set a maximum post limit for each participant based on the weekly rating. But the maximum post limit is still quite high, between 50-70 posts per week.

The thing is that when you're in a campaign that requires you make at least 70 posts before receiving payments, there's every tendency that half of the posts would be garbage because like you noticed, they have to post the fastest to be able to meet the quota. 70 posts per week means 10 to 12 posts per day and I bet you, eventually such a requirement can a take a toll on someone. What am I saying, there are times when users in campaigns that require less post count still fall victim to posting garbage, how much more those users in Stake. I'm not defending anyone here, I'm just saying that the company too is as much to blame for the spamming as much as the users.

[Rikafip]

The thing is that when you're in a campaign that requires you make at least 70 posts before receiving payments, there's every tendency that half of the posts would be garbage

Stake doesn't require from its members to write at least 70 posts to get paid, that's the maximum that they are paying. Afaik, minimum is 25 posts per week.

[Apocollapse]

The thing is that when you're in a campaign that requires you make at least 70 posts before receiving payments, there's every tendency that half of the posts would be garbage because like you noticed, they have to post the fastest to be able to meet the quota. 70 posts per week means 10 to 12 posts per day and I bet you, eventually such a requirement can a take a toll on someone. What am I saying, there are times when users in campaigns that require less post count still fall victim to posting garbage, how much more those users in Stake. I'm not defending anyone here, I'm just saying that the company too is as much to blame for the spamming as much as the users.

No, they only ask to make 25 posts per week, it just the payment structure is different for making first 25 posts and after 25 posts.

I would say having up to 60-70 posts with small payrate wasn't the reason why the spam happen, because if I were join in that campaign, I'm not really interested to create more after making 25 posts, because it feels like I need to spent the same effort and time with 4x less reward.  

But I think Stake management prefer high quantity posters hence they don't really care with bought accounts.

♦️ Must make at least 25 quality posts per week

[nutildah]

Here's a recent post from the "quality is ok" poster referenced above:

If you do not take risks in gambling, it will be difficult to get the expected results. I do not rely on any codes sent to the group in terms of betting because I know that they can never give me certain win. Sometimes using that code will bring a win and sometimes a loss, that means there is no guarantee in betting. In this case, those who are consistent will face both wins and losses. If the gambler stops after losing a few bets in a row, then there is no possibility of winning, but those who remain consistent even after losing will get win.

Like WTF. Not a solitary rational thought is being expressed here. Its just a mishmash of words that are kind of strung together properly in a linguistical sense but they are not expressing any kind of conceivable concept, lol.

Here's another banger, let's break it down sentence by sentence:

Emotion is one thing, knowledge and analysis are another.

Umm... OK, I'm on board with this. Emotion is one thing and the combination of knowledge and analysis is another. Got it.

If a trader tries to trade only through prayer without gaining knowledge, then he is trading completely with emotion.

O... OK.

If a trader trades with emotion, he can keep himself calm mentally, but he will never be able to turn a loss into profit in trading.

Really? That seems like a pretty sweeping statement.

While it is possible to accept many things when trading with emotion, it is not possible to accept anything unreasonable when trading with knowledge and analysis.

Another broad over-generalization just made for the sake of saying something.

So again, this person - who has a purchased account - isn't really saying anything, and they're writing 100+ posts a month, so that's 100 more shitposts on the forum every month. I don't think it should be our job to have to report all of them.

[igebotz]

Thank you, OP, and everyone who helped with this investigations.  The users with bad reputations & Spam have been removed from the campaign.  We only demand our members to make a minimum of 25 posts to be eligible for payout, like with all other campaigns on the forum.  Stake campaign remains one of the best-run sig campaign on the forum, and we have long removed farms and AI users from our campaign.

We value community opinions, and our team takes them very seriously; the remaining profiles are presently being investigated, and a decision will be made in the following weeks.  We will continue to clean up our campaign and serve the community as one of the oldest sig campaign and most reputable casino on the forum.

If you have any questions or concerns about our participants, my DM is always available.

Thanks.
Sheriff.

Removed users.

Bitcoin
GigaBit
Marvell1
Solosanz ( minimum posts requirement related)

We still have open slots. Keep applying.

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