Back to the roots of Bitcoin

[Cryptoblck]

Does your project have a White paper of sorts?

Of course, it will be published shortly.

[Cryptoblck]

You said that institutions, stores & services can connect to the network & act as nodes. What if eventually many of those entities are connected, let's say 1000 nodes, won't that impact the scalability of the network you are building considering that what your network is trying to achieve is instant payments? I think a technical explanation will help me in understanding it.

The speed of process execution will not deteriorate. There will be several million of these nodes, forming a decentralised network of a new format with post-quantum cryptography optimised for operation on mobile devices with social network functionality.

[Donneski]

Interesting idea but I’m still trying to understand the added layer of value here.
What problem does this network solve that existing second-layer solutions don’t?
And when it comes to price volatility is there any form of hedging or risk mitigation integrated for merchants?

[Cryptoblck]

Interesting idea but I’m still trying to understand the added layer of value here.
What problem does this network solve that existing second-layer solutions don’t?
And when it comes to price volatility is there any form of hedging or risk mitigation integrated for merchants?

You don't understand, this network separates Bitcoin from fiat (money). This network transfers organizations into a structure where the value of one Bitcoin is equal to one Bitcoin, where you buy something for 0.0000450 satoshi and pay for it with satoshi, or sell something in exchange for Bitcoin. Those origins, those roots where Bitcoin went wrong. It was originally supposed to be a system that would replace conventional money and banks, and now it's time to return to its origins.

[marywill9020]

With all due respect, this sounds more like ideology than an actual technical solution.
Saying “separate Bitcoin from fiat” doesn’t magically solve anything. Markets price things whether you like it or not. People thinking in sats instead of dollars doesn’t remove volatility, doesn’t help merchants, and doesn’t explain how this is better than existing L2 solutions like Lightning.
You were asked very concrete questions about scalability, instant payments, added value and risk mitigation, and instead of answers we get philosophy about “where Bitcoin went wrong”. That’s not a technical explanation, that’s a manifesto.
Also claims like millions of nodes, instant transactions, post-quantum crypto, mobile optimization and social network features all at once sound nice, but without a whitepaper or any real details it’s just buzzwords stacked together.
Bitcoin didn’t “go wrong” because people price it in fiat. That’s just how adoption works. If your network really solves a real problem, it should be explainable in technical and economic terms, not just by saying “1 BTC = 1 BTC”.
Until there’s something concrete beyond slogans, it’s hard to see how this is anything more than another rebranded altcoin idea with a back to the roots narrative.

[hmbdofficial]

Hello. I am working on a distributed decentralized network of instant Bitcoin payments, where there is no need to convert Bitcoin into fiat currency to purchase goods or pay for services. Various institutions, stores, and services can be connected to this network, where each user and each institution acts as a node, a node of the network, where Bitcoin becomes what it is. services can be connected to this network, where each user and each institution acts as a node in the network, where Bitcoin becomes what it was originally intended to be, namely a means of payment in a decentralized economy. I will be happy to answer any questions.

I don’t get your question clear… Your are saying bitcoin should be what I think it is already that is the way I understand  what you are asking. because it is still those that run the nodes that still validate transactions to be passed and verified. You want to send bitcoin to someone just like you’re sending money with bank? That cant be possible because if it’s gonna be like that there will be regulators and it will no longer be decentralised again.

However if you want it to it to be just the way you imagine it there will be need to have a third party just like the banks have.

[ericagerb]

I appreciate the intention behind “going back to the roots,” but I still don’t see a concrete technical advantage here. Separating Bitcoin from fiat is more a change in narrative than a solution to volatility, scalability, or merchant risk. Existing L2s already focus on fast payments while keeping Bitcoin simple and secure at the base layer. Without clear technical details or measurable improvements, this feels more philosophical than practical.

[qurbanshah02]

Interesting idea but I’m still trying to understand the added layer of value here.
What problem does this network solve that existing second-layer solutions don’t?
And when it comes to price volatility is there any form of hedging or risk mitigation integrated for merchants?

It is good that you are all trying and struggling to get a full understanding of it, but the more you understand it, the more questions you will have in your mind, which are enough to make you an expert. It controls it according to its own power, it is decentralized, so it tries to fulfill it within its limits. Although people are scared of Bitcoin or the market going up and down, this is the real and best way in which we can maximize our profits. Obviously, when the price of something is not increasing, it creates a lot of questions for it, so it is justified for them to be worried, but they also know that it is for some time, so they ignore it. We should continue to value it so that we will be very weak from such useless questions.

[henry_of_skalitz]

Interesting idea but I’m still trying to understand the added layer of value here.
What problem does this network solve that existing second-layer solutions don’t?
And when it comes to price volatility is there any form of hedging or risk mitigation integrated for merchants?

You don't understand, this network separates Bitcoin from fiat (money). This network transfers organizations into a structure where the value of one Bitcoin is equal to one Bitcoin, where you buy something for 0.0000450 satoshi and pay for it with satoshi, or sell something in exchange for Bitcoin. Those origins, those roots where Bitcoin went wrong. It was originally supposed to be a system that would replace conventional money and banks, and now it's time to return to its origins.

I would also like to ask this - what would it give to you?

The whole project, I mean.

[Cryptoblck]

With all due respect, this sounds more like ideology than an actual technical solution.
Saying “separate Bitcoin from fiat” doesn’t magically solve anything. Markets price things whether you like it or not. People thinking in sats instead of dollars doesn’t remove volatility, doesn’t help merchants, and doesn’t explain how this is better than existing L2 solutions like Lightning.
You were asked very concrete questions about scalability, instant payments, added value and risk mitigation, and instead of answers we get philosophy about “where Bitcoin went wrong”. That’s not a technical explanation, that’s a manifesto.
Also claims like millions of nodes, instant transactions, post-quantum crypto, mobile optimization and social network features all at once sound nice, but without a whitepaper or any real details it’s just buzzwords stacked together.
Bitcoin didn’t “go wrong” because people price it in fiat. That’s just how adoption works. If your network really solves a real problem, it should be explainable in technical and economic terms, not just by saying “1 BTC = 1 BTC”.
Until there’s something concrete beyond slogans, it’s hard to see how this is anything more than another rebranded altcoin idea with a back to the roots narrative.

Don't worry, all documents on the completed infrastructure will be published soon. In the meantime, you can view the project structure at the link.

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Now for the main point. You are probably one of those who came to make money on Bitcoin, so I am sorry to disappoint you, but Bitcoin will return to its native environment, where it was supposed to become a means of payment, that very part of the decentralised ecosystem where banks and government organisations lose control. Back in 2008, Bitcoin was designed as a means of protection against global, total state control.

You ask about Lightning because you still think within the framework of an environment where Bitcoin is exchanged for fiat currency. I would also like to point out that your opinion that Bitcoin is completely anonymous is mistaken. Bitcoin was conceived as an anonymous means of payment, but due to a misguided direction of development, it became possible to track who sent and who received the money. Thirdly, Bitcoin is becoming partially centralised, not technically, but physically, as some corporations are trying to take 80% of the Bitcoin available on the market into very limited hands. This is an element of centralisation where they will dictate the rules of a decentralised system, but this will not happen.

A little about scalability. The system is scalable because it is initially divided into independent levels: nodes form a distributed network without a centre and scale horizontally by simply adding new participants; four engines are responsible for different logic domains and can develop and be loaded independently of each other; post-quantum cryptography is moved to internal processes and parallelised by tasks, so its computational weight does not block growth. Bitcoin is used exclusively as a payment layer for inputting and outputting value and does not participate in identity, data storage or consensus, so the growth of users, social connections and operations within the network is not limited by the blockchain and scales asynchronously and predictably.

And the images show only part of the autonomous and decentralised structure. Imagine a decentralised network that is protected from quantum attacks and, with each attack, instantly rebuilds routes, traffic concealment tactics, kills compromised chains, and instantly builds a new connection chain, while all network traffic, all data packets are broken down into small pieces and transported along dozens of different routes simultaneously and independently of each other, mixnet logic in all its glory.

[Cryptoblck]

Interesting idea but I’m still trying to understand the added layer of value here.
What problem does this network solve that existing second-layer solutions don’t?
And when it comes to price volatility is there any form of hedging or risk mitigation integrated for merchants?

You don't understand, this network separates Bitcoin from fiat (money). This network transfers organizations into a structure where the value of one Bitcoin is equal to one Bitcoin, where you buy something for 0.0000450 satoshi and pay for it with satoshi, or sell something in exchange for Bitcoin. Those origins, those roots where Bitcoin went wrong. It was originally supposed to be a system that would replace conventional money and banks, and now it's time to return to its origins.

I would also like to ask this - what would it give to you?

The whole project, I mean.

Personally, nothing. I am a cypherpunk, my goal is to destroy state control. But at the same time, I don't want chaos to ensue.

[d5000]

Payments occur inside a single closed Blck#### network
Sender and receiver already exist in the same routing domain
No global path discovery problem
Near-instant settlement by design

[...]

Nodes earn:

A share of transaction fees
Rewards for active participation
Fees are evenly redistributed across the network

All this looks like a second layer indeed, as this would be impossible to realize purely on-chain, where all transaction fees go to miners.

But how does it look at the transaction level? If it features "instant" payments, then I suppose the structure is closer to Lightning or Ark than to a sidechain or rollup. Or is it some "wrapped" structure on an altcoin blockchain with very short block times?

With "transaction level" I mean here that Lightning is based on the HTLC technique, where chained multisig transactions with timeouts and hash locks are shared outside of the main Bitcoin network between parties. Does Blk#### also use HTLCs?

Please don't be so defensive, but you have to admit you don't give much info and the images you shared also don't really help. I'm interested genuinely in second layers (see my threads about sidechains for example) and thus would like to know at least what the basic technique you use is. The anonymity features aren't that important for me, even if they are a crucial part of the design.

[Antona]

Sounds a lot like a Lightning Network implementation or something adjacent how does your network handle liquidity and channel management at the institutional level? Thats always the tricky part for nodes that arent constantly transacting.

[vanesha]

My question is about blockchain. Can Bitcoin create a new explorer or a new chain with the same coin and contract? What I mean is that Bitcoin and its blockchain are already a single package. But is it possible to create its own network for Bitcoin payments? Or will it be like USDT in the future, where there are cross-chain versions of Bitcoin itself?

[Antona]

My question is about blockchain. Can Bitcoin create a new explorer or a new chain with the same coin and contract? What I mean is that Bitcoin and its blockchain are already a single package. But is it possible to create its own network for Bitcoin payments? Or will it be like USDT in the future, where there are cross-chain versions of Bitcoin itself?

Technically, you could fork the Bitcoin code and start a new chain but it would have zero connection to the existing BTC. The coins wouldnt be the same. For payments, we have Layer 2s like Lightning a cross-chain future will likely be more custodial wrapped assets, like you said similar to multi-chain USDT

[Cryptoblck]

My question is about blockchain. Can Bitcoin create a new explorer or a new chain with the same coin and contract? What I mean is that Bitcoin and its blockchain are already a single package. But is it possible to create its own network for Bitcoin payments? Or will it be like USDT in the future, where there are cross-chain versions of Bitcoin itself?

No, it is not a payment system, it is an autonomous, decentralised and ultra-anonymous network of nodes performing various interactions between users. In addition, each node will contain a local crypto wallet from which users will be able to pay for various services with bitcoins without using global fiat currency. It is more like a social distributed ecosystem where you and any organisation that provides services can be participants.

Everyone has their own anonymous profile (as in a regular social network) where you can socialise and exchange something for Bitcoin or sell something. For example, if you are a business owner and connect to this network, you automatically get a node that generates an anonymous, secure profile, wallet, and a system for distributed storage and transfer of social content. It's as if Visa merged with a marketplace and started connecting various stores into a single distributed network where all transactions are anonymous and instantaneous, but at the same time, transactions are processed by blockchain miners.

[Cryptoblck]

Payments occur inside a single closed Blck#### network
Sender and receiver already exist in the same routing domain
No global path discovery problem
Near-instant settlement by design

[...]

Nodes earn:

A share of transaction fees
Rewards for active participation
Fees are evenly redistributed across the network

All this looks like a second layer indeed, as this would be impossible to realize purely on-chain, where all transaction fees go to miners.

But how does it look at the transaction level? If it features "instant" payments, then I suppose the structure is closer to Lightning or Ark than to a sidechain or rollup. Or is it some "wrapped" structure on an altcoin blockchain with very short block times?

With "transaction level" I mean here that Lightning is based on the HTLC technique, where chained multisig transactions with timeouts and hash locks are shared outside of the main Bitcoin network between parties. Does Blk#### also use HTLCs?

Please don't be so defensive, but you have to admit you don't give much info and the images you shared also don't really help. I'm interested genuinely in second layers (see my threads about sidechains for example) and thus would like to know at least what the basic technique you use is. The anonymity features aren't that important for me, even if they are a crucial part of the design.

In this design, instant payments are not implemented via HTLCs, payment channels, or on-chain transactions. The architecture does not correspond to Lightning Network, Ark, sidechains, or rollups.

The transaction layer is based on an off-chain settlement model that relies on cryptographically signed state transitions between network participants, rather than on the transfer of UTXOs or chained transactions. Each node first anchors its balance via an on-chain Bitcoin deposit, after which intra-network payments are executed by exchanging signed commitments that represent balance updates and are accepted immediately by the counterparty.

The Bitcoin blockchain serves exclusively as a final settlement and anchoring layer, used for fund entry and exit, and for dispute resolution in exceptional cases. This design avoids per-transaction miner fees and enables an autonomous internal economy within the network.

From a transaction-model perspective, the system is therefore closer to a state-based off-chain settlement network than to HTLC-based payment protocols.

[Cryptoblck]

This is what's needed at all time but not seen any. Have you started developing it or still on the planning Stage? How do you intend to secure the app or the website because many will fight against it. Government will attach the site, and Centralized Exchangers will also attack the network. You have to work on the security to 100% and100% privacy should be encouraged. And always update the forum the progress of the work. I will like to see the testing stage of the work. Or are you launching the main work at once?

Don't worry, it's the most decentralized system in existence. Each node contains 4 local Tor engines, 1 i2p engine, 4 traffic encryption protocols (snowflake, counjure, obfs4, web tunnel). 4 post-quantum cryptography libraries, each library interacts with each individual Tor engine.

Every 10 minutes, the chains are rebuilt, making it impossible to intercept traffic. Each node sends data (transactions and traffic) through 16 routes simultaneously, thereby defragmenting the information into pieces and collecting it at the final receiving node, i.e., a complete implementation of the mixnet concept. It is worth mentioning that we have our own built-in Tor engines that have been upgraded and do not process third-party global network traffic, only our own internal traffic.

This is the part that provides global stability and super-anonymity. This system cannot be blocked, because if the state blocks a certain protocol, the network uses the remaining 15 bypass routes, and an outside observer does not know which route the information is being transmitted along. If an outside observer somehow finds out the route, the system breaks the chain, thereby stopping the attack and building a new route. For the state, this is like fighting a shadow, like the heads of a hydra.


Another piece of information has been published in the discussion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5570014.msg66236937#msg66236937

[catnine1]

Hello. I am working on a distributed decentralized network of instant Bitcoin payments, where there is no need to convert Bitcoin into fiat currency to purchase goods or pay for services. Various institutions, stores, and services can be connected to this network, where each user and each institution acts as a node, a node of the network, where Bitcoin becomes what it is. services can be connected to this network, where each user and each institution acts as a node in the network, where Bitcoin becomes what it was originally intended to be, namely a means of payment in a decentralized economy. I will be happy to answer any questions.

yes! this is the way. bringin' it back to p2p electronic cash.
lightning network is already doin' a lot of this heavy liftin', but more networks are always good. is your project buildin' on top of LN, or is it a separate layer?
keep buildin'! this is how we escape the "just store of value" trap and actually use it.

[Cryptoblck]

Hello. I am working on a distributed decentralized network of instant Bitcoin payments, where there is no need to convert Bitcoin into fiat currency to purchase goods or pay for services. Various institutions, stores, and services can be connected to this network, where each user and each institution acts as a node, a node of the network, where Bitcoin becomes what it is. services can be connected to this network, where each user and each institution acts as a node in the network, where Bitcoin becomes what it was originally intended to be, namely a means of payment in a decentralized economy. I will be happy to answer any questions.

yes! this is the way. bringin' it back to p2p electronic cash.
lightning network is already doin' a lot of this heavy liftin', but more networks are always good. is your project buildin' on top of LN, or is it a separate layer?
keep buildin'! this is how we escape the "just store of value" trap and actually use it.

No, it's not even close to a lightning network. In the network we are launching, there will be no need to convert Bitcoin into regular currency. In the lightning network structure, when paying with Bitcoin, you are tied to the value of a particular product in relation to fiat (usd/cad/eur..). That is, if you buy something for 0.001 Bitcoin and it costs $200, you convert $200 into Bitcoin and make the payment. In my network, fiat (regular currency) is not used anywhere.

It is a super-anonymous distributed network where everyone has decentralised wallets with bitcoins on them. Organisations, web shops, and real shops with a single click by simply installing software. It is a kind of closed network where bitcoin transportation is instantaneous, but transaction processing is carried out within the bitcoin structure itself. Also, in this network, everyone can be a content creator, sell something for bitcoins, or generate content for which you will receive a portion of bitcoins.

That is, there is the ‘supposed you’ and there is some kind of enterprise that offers something. In the case of the Lightning Network, there are three separate structures: you, the means of payment transfer, and the organisation. In my network, it is a single structure, but no one knows who is who. There is no need for banks, no need for government control, no need for financial structures in the old sense, as this network has the potential to grow a distributed financial ecosystem.