How Can The Forum Monitor and Prevent Shill Bidding❓❓

[howardsentell]

Should The Forum Allow Shill Bidding?

This is an important topic that needs to be discussed on the forum. Shill bidding is when a seller, or someone working with them, places fake bids on their own auction item to inflate prices and deceive legitimate buyers. This is not allowed on major platforms regardless of full disclosure. Shill bidding destroys the collectible industry. Any recommendations how the forum can monitor auctions to prevent shill bidding would be helpful.

** A guest moderator keeps deleting my post on this subject without an explanation. If the forum allows shill bidding the moderator will delete my post **
 
                                    * This is not AI *

 Moderator, if this topic is not on the correct board, move it to the correct designated board. I reached out to a moderator, and they recommended this board. Thanks

[Kazkaz27]

No 👎 it shouldn’t be allowed. - You got my vote. 🗳️

I have made a post reflecting this post a few days ago and a member named rat03gopoh gives some great solutions to combating this very issue.

Here’s the thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568534.0

Hopefully, these conversations can lead to a positive outcome and change things for the better in time and with adoption. 🙏

*Edit* Mod please move this topic to the correct designated board.

[logfiles]

As far as I know, the forum moderation policy does not cover scams, fake feedback or vouches, shilling etc. This mostly is dealt with by DT members, where they will send negative or neutral tags to those involved in the malpractice.

So this topic is not a meta kind of topic. Maybe reputation board.

[PX-Z]

In any kind of bidding there's no way it is allowed. Also, it's not the forum's concern, it's the collectible/auction community. I remember there are few of these issue before, it was handled by the community by giving negative tags, thus the auctioneer's next auction is not so effective anymore because of it's reputation.

[Charcol]

** A guest moderator keeps deleting my post on this subject without an explanation **
 
                                    * This is not AI *

You need to understand this. Every moderator here will not delete your post without any reason. Your deleted post was created completely using AI.It is probably against the forum rules. Also, you created threads on the same topic repeatedly. And you created this thread in the wrong board. This thread is suitable for the Reputation board. So you should move this thread to the Reputation board very quickly.So that the respected DT present there can see this important thread and take appropriate action.

[howardsentell]

** A guest moderator keeps deleting my post on this subject without an explanation **
 
                                    * This is not AI *

You need to understand this. Every moderator here will not delete your post without any reason. Your deleted post was created completely using AI.It is probably against the forum rules. Also, you created threads on the same topic repeatedly. And you created this thread in the wrong board. This thread is suitable for the Reputation board. So you should move this thread to the Reputation board very quickly.So that the respected DT present there can see this important thread and take appropriate action.

My post is not AI and last moderator said to post it on this board.

[Call_Me_Guru]

Shill bidding on bitcointalk? For what purpose? I don't get.

Kudos that a moderator guided you, but the purpose of your post explains moderator deletion in the past.

The forum is not an auctioneer or auction monitoring platform, it has no business in what you suggested.

[Mitchell]

[...]
I reached out to a moderator, and they recommended this board. Thanks

[...] last moderator said to post in this section.

Just be clear, in the case that you meant me by this, I never said that. I told you to create a topic in Meta asking why your topic was removed (as I didn't do so and cannot see who did). I did not tell you to recreate it in Meta (reputation would be probably be better, like logfiles said).

I've been very clear about this, but you somehow keep not understanding/misunderstand/etc.

[...]

Why was my post deleted from a guest moderator without an explanation? Thanks for your help.

I have no idea, as I didn't remove it (and I cannot see who did). Feel free to open a topic in Meta to ask.

[...]

I believe whoever the guest moderator is abusing their authority. I would appreciate your help.

Your best course of action is making a topic in Meta. There is nothing I can do.

[...]

From your recommendation I reposted and it was removed again without a trace.

[...]

I didn't say that you should repost the topic. I said I have no idea, as I didn't remove it (and I cannot see who did). Feel free to open a topic in Meta to ask. With that I meant you should create a topic in Meta asking who removed the topic and why.

[Cryptohygenic]

Shelling services is what the forum will never promote and don't even believe it that Moderators deletes your posts at the course of your trying to rise alarm about it. That is if you noticed one being existed in the community.
So if you have a burden about related shilling service being tolerated here that aspired you made this post, I would suggest you either move this to the reputation board as recommended by other users or you just lock this one and make air your mind if you have come across any of the disreputable shelling service because there is where such discussion is appropriately handled.
Meanwhile shells are bugs that are never welcomed in the bitcointalk. So you have my Vote (NO).

[howardsentell]

[...]
I reached out to a moderator, and they recommended this board. Thanks

[...] last moderator said to post in this section.

Just be clear, in the case that you meant me by this, I never said that. I told you to create a topic in Meta asking why your topic was removed (as I didn't do so and cannot see who did). I did not tell you to recreate it in Meta (reputation would be probably be better, like logfiles said).

I've been very clear about this, but you somehow keep not understanding/misunderstand/etc.

[...]

Why was my post deleted from a guest moderator without an explanation? Thanks for your help.

I have no idea, as I didn't remove it (and I cannot see who did). Feel free to open a topic in Meta to ask.

[...]

I believe whoever the guest moderator is abusing their authority. I would appreciate your help.

Your best course of action is making a topic in Meta. There is nothing I can do.

[...]

From your recommendation I reposted and it was removed again without a trace.

[...]

I didn't say that you should repost the topic. I said I have no idea, as I didn't remove it (and I cannot see who did). Feel free to open a topic in Meta to ask. With that I meant you should create a topic in Meta asking who removed the topic and why.

Thanks for helping

Can you move my post to the reputation board? Thanks.

[Mitchell]

Can you move my post to the reputation board? Thanks.

I cannot, since you aren't a Newbie and this topic is in a section I do not moderate.

However, you can move the topic yourself via the `move topic` link in the bottom left if you scroll down all the way:




EDIT: You could also click `Report to moderator` in one of your own posts and put in a request there.

[howardsentell]

Can you move my post to the reputation board? Thanks.

I cannot, since you aren't a Newbie and this topic is in a section I do not moderate.

However, you can move the topic yourself via the `move topic` link in the bottom left if you scroll down all the way:




EDIT: You could also click `Report to moderator` in one of your own posts and put in a request there.

Thank you

[Taurox]

Should The Forum Allow Shill Bidding?

This is an important topic that needs to be discussed on the forum. Shill bidding is when a seller, or someone working with them, places fake bids on their own auction item to inflate prices and deceive legitimate buyers. This is not allowed on major platforms regardless of full disclosure. Shill bidding destroys the collectible industry. Any recommendations how the forum can monitor auctions to prevent shill bidding would be helpful.

shill bidding is basically a cancer for the collectibles board, to be honest if the moderators are deleting your threads it might be because they want to keep the marketplace drama out of the main discussion areas, but you are right that it ruins the trust for legitimate buyers

[howardsentell]

** A guest moderator keeps deleting my post on this subject without an explanation **
 
                                    * This is not AI *

You need to understand this. Every moderator here will not delete your post without any reason. Your deleted post was created completely using AI.It is probably against the forum rules. Also, you created threads on the same topic repeatedly. And you created this thread in the wrong board. This thread is suitable for the Reputation board. So you should move this thread to the Reputation board very quickly.So that the respected DT present there can see this important thread and take appropriate action.

Where is your comment about shill bidding? This was not mentioned in your statement. Thanks

[howardsentell]

Shill bidding on bitcointalk? For what purpose? I don't get.

Kudos that a moderator guided you, but the purpose of your post explains moderator deletion in the past.

The forum is not an auctioneer or auction monitoring platform, it has no business in what you suggested.

Where is your comment about shill bidding? This was not mentioned in your statement. Thanks

[howardsentell]

** A guest moderator keeps deleting my post on this subject without an explanation **
 
                                    * This is not AI *

You need to understand this. Every moderator here will not delete your post without any reason. Your deleted post was created completely using AI.It is probably against the forum rules. Also, you created threads on the same topic repeatedly. And you created this thread in the wrong board. This thread is suitable for the Reputation board. So you should move this thread to the Reputation board very quickly.So that the respected DT present there can see this important thread and take appropriate action.

My post is not AI and last moderator said to post in this section.

Where is your comment about shill bidding? This was not mentioned in your statement. Thanks

My post was deleted on the reputation board. Thanks

[howardsentell]

Shill bidding on bitcointalk? For what purpose? I don't get.

Kudos that a moderator guided you, but the purpose of your post explains moderator deletion in the past.

The forum is not an auctioneer or auction monitoring platform, it has no business in what you suggested.

My post was deleted on the reputation board. Thanks

[howardsentell]

Shill bidding on bitcointalk? For what purpose? I don't get.

Kudos that a moderator guided you, but the purpose of your post explains moderator deletion in the past.

The forum is not an auctioneer or auction monitoring platform, it has no business in what you suggested.

I recommend researching the collectibles board. There are auctions every day.

[NotATether]

At minimum the shill bidders should be given red trust so that nobody accepts their bids in the future. Do you have any particular examples of this?

[howardsentell]

At minimum the shill bidders should be given red trust so that nobody accepts their bids in the future. Do you have any particular examples of this?

This situation occurs when the highest bidder fails to complete payment for the auctioned item, prompting the seller to approach the second-highest bidder to offer the item.