How about an official accounts sales thread in marketplace.

[philipma1957]

Let's regulate account sales.

Simple you put an account up for sale on the one and only thread it is allowed for.

And the sale is marked on the thread and the profile.


Theymos sold 12/31/2025

Keep the mark for 5 years or 10 years.

Note I got the idea here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568664.msg66200613#msg66200613

Note it  is my idea as far as I can tell.

If the idea has a thread let's open that thread and talk about it.

Think about this i worked at my account to be good for over 13 years.

Why should I be able to sell it with a permanent sold mark.

I made the account valuable.

Now I have zero need or desire to sell it.

Or sell an alt but we do allow sold accounts.

If the account is marked with a sale date many  issues are solved.

SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER.

[Hazink]

Was already typing to reply you on my thread before this popped up.

That will at least give a direct mark if a particular account is sold or changes ownership. At least the public will have to notice it on the forum, which is almost exactly the same thing the DTs are doing to the discovered sales accounts by tagging them.

But the question is, why buy or sell an account, for what use? If anyone needs an account to use and run their business, Copper membership can at least allow you to post an image, which could be an honest reason as to why one should buy an account, but aside from that, if someone doesn't have ill intentions, what need is to buy an account?

[LoyceV]

Let's regulate

I already know the forum isn't going to add regulation for this

You should read [click-bait] Should I start escrowing accounts?, it has some good arguments why not to do this.

[philipma1957]

Was already typing to reply you on my thread before this popped up.

That will at least give a direct mark if a particular account is sold or changes ownership. At least the public will have to notice it on the market, which is almost exactly the same thing the DTs are doing to the discovered sales accounts by tagging them.

But the question is, why buy or sell an account, for what use? If anyone needs an account to use and run their business, Copper membership can at least allow you to post an image, which could be an honest reason as to why one should buy an account, but aside from that, if someone doesn't have ill intentions, what need is to buy an account?

This idea legitimately makes the account traceable.

Hey I am 68 going on 69 my wife is 69 going on 70.

An account like mine does have value for sale. I am a diabetic maybe I want to sell cause I need cash.

It would be clearly marked.

And a company  may want it for business.

For instance my signature would be ad space for a company and I have over 50,000 posts.

Let's say I get 5,000 a year for my signature  my account would be worth at less 5,000 a year for as long as the company that
 purchased it   shows a signature.

Why wouldn't the idea work?

Obviously  only a few dozen signatures have value like this but they do have that value.

My bro-in-law has dementia [75 years old]
My best friend broke his hip [79 years old]

So at 68 almost 69 maybe I want to leave the internet.



At loyce it is close to escrow but not the same.


If my profile read philipma1957 sold 12/31/2025 and it showed  on every post essentially you are back to square one for true trust but the new owner does have a signature in my case on 50,000 plus posts.

[Mitchell]

> This idea legitimately makes the account traceable.

And why would anyone actually do this? Someone wanting to make maximum profit doesn't care about traceability. They simply will go outside of the forum to not get marked, which will end up making account sales even more invisible.

[MisFoxie]

I think selling account should be banned.

If a owner is a legendary it mean he/she contribute to this forum earn merit so that he/she become the rank of legendary but when that sells to a newbe like me, Can the new owner contribute the same like the previous owner? If i buy a legendary I may become legendary rank holder but In reality I'm a newbe. I'm not qualified as an legendary rank. My question is If I get legendary will i get the same respect the previous owner would get?

[philipma1957]

> This idea legitimately makes the account traceable.

And why would anyone actually do this? Someone wanting to make maximum profit doesn't care about traceability. They simply will go outside of the forum to not get marked, which will end up making account sales even more invisible.

A legit buyer gets the signature for as long as bitcointalk.org is on the net.

As I mentioned if  I can get  5000 a year for the signature my account has a real world value.

What is 5,000 a year for say 20  or more years worth. MAYBE 25 TO 30K

I know only a few members could command this in a sale but it means that long time good accounts could cash out and leave.


As I mentioned I have zero desire to sale my account on the official sale thread [yet to exsist]

[Charles-Tim]

Wow!

Now my job will soley be for sales of accounts as I will absolutely and obviously make use of my merit source to build accounts if account sales are not discouraged.

I will be willing to see people expose themselves so that we can give them just neutral trust. I am very sure those that are going for it will spam a lot.

[Mia Chloe]

~snip

Account sale is allowed on the forum but it is frowned upon. It's a logical twist if you ask me more like some sort of trap to filter those who would do it if the rules were not in place. Anyways that aside , such a thread could give off the idea that it's not being frowned upon anymore even if it still is.

If you would trust an account sale service as a legitimate one then it's a Go if you ask me unless you actually think otherwise. Regardless they'll likely still get tagged.

[Z_MBFM]

Why does a person need to buy an account? If he is running a business, he can easily create an account and by purchasing a Copper Membership, he can use all the features of this forum. And why would a person sell an account that has been used entirely for their own personal use and has built their own reputation?

One reason for trade accounts here could be to earn money from signature campaigns. If that is the case, then why would this person sell his account when he can earn money by joining the signature campaign himself? The issue of buying and selling accounts does not indicate any positive direction in any way.

[Hazink]

This idea legitimately makes the account traceable.

No doubt, but who really wants that? I mean the buyers to be precise

Like the majority of the accounts which have been held as sold or bought accounts, the deals happen outside the forum, and they are mostly bought by people who want to use them for signature campaign earnings (obvious reason).

An account like mine does have value for sale. I am a diabetic maybe I want to sell cause I need cash.

You the seller might have good intentions for selling what about the buyer ?

It would be clearly marked.

You are a member of the forum whose writing pattern is very different, aside from the quick noticeable view if it changes hands. Unless the mark is visible to be seen without clicking on the users page, it will take time for it to be noticed by others.

And a company  may want it for business.

For instance my signature would be ad space for a company and I have over 50,000 posts.

Let's say I get 5,000 a year for my signature  my account would be worth at less 5,000 a year for as long as the company that
 purchased it   shows a signature.

Why wouldn't the idea work?

Obviously  only a few dozen signatures have value like this but they do have that value..

For your post history, for sure, it will bring visibility to any company that tries to buy it, but if the account is not active and is posting, most of those old posts which you have made will be buried under some posts, so the company will have to keep on posting, which is obviously not going to be the same way you do.

And have you also imagined what the account will be used for after 5-10 years if the account purchased has been removed?

[LoyceV]

A legit buyer gets the signature for as long as bitcointalk.org is on the net.
As I mentioned if  I can get  5000 a year for the signature my account has a real world value.
What is 5,000 a year for say 20  or more years worth. MAYBE 25 TO 30K
I know only a few members could command this in a sale but it means that long time good accounts could cash out and leave.

You're not looking for an account buyer, you're looking for a signature buyer: someone who sees value in your signature, even when you're no longer posting. Find a lifetime lump sum or monthly deal!

[stompix]

SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER.

Phil....
The moment your account is sold and marked as sold, I will have "you" on ignore, cause it's no longer Phil, it's Adebayo to whom I speak!
Second, why would this legal thing do anything good for the forum? Account farmers will just mark them as sold to someone else and that's it, this is not a register plate you can check at the DMV to see if the actual new owner is not still the old owner!

One reason for trade accounts here could be to earn money from signature campaigns. If that is the case, then why would this person sell his account when he can earn money by joining the signature campaign himself? The issue of buying and selling accounts does not indicate any positive direction in any way.

An unlimited number of accounts you can grow with 2-3 posts a week and merit beginning versus posting 500 posts a week and managing to get a spot for all your accounts in a signature campaign! Host a node for 14 days, beg for some some in the merit whoring threads, then go back to your board and exchange sMerits to merits between accounts and you have in a few months more accounts than you need!

[Mia Chloe]

Phil....
The moment your account is sold and marked as sold, I will have "you" on ignore, cause it's no longer Phil, it's Adebayo to whom I speak!
Second, why would this legal thing do anything good for the forum? Account farmers will just mark them as sold to someone else and that's it, this is not a register plate you can check at the DMV to see if the actual new owner is not still the old owner!

Fact is the ulterior motive behind anyone trying to buy an account like Phil's , is likely looking to make a big exit scam. Come to think of it Phil is a merit source and they can use that to their advantage to farm more accounts and just before they get caught they'll pull off a mind blowing scam.

A legit buyer gets the signature for as long as bitcointalk.org is on the net.
As I mentioned if  I can get  5000 a year for the signature my account has a real world value.
What is 5,000 a year for say 20  or more years worth. MAYBE 25 TO 30K
I know only a few members could command this in a sale but it means that long time good accounts could cash out and leave.

You are renting out your signature. Selling your account means selling your reputation and also selling your identity here which isn't something you can come by easy here. I wouldn't advise you fancy a life time deal per say since you may not have a reason to remain active here no more.

[uchegod-21]

Whether we like to admit it or not, account sales exists in this forum and it seems also that accounts farming is also on the increase. This proposal raised by the op is worth discussing and I can see that to a great extent, this idea will help discourage account sales. Here's how I think it will help discourage account sales:

• many users won't want to interact with accounts tagged "sold", it will make no sense to trade accounts.
• now that everyone knows that the account does not belong to the original owner,  it will reduce impersonation in the forum.
• trust is also built in the forum

While many think that the proposal will encourage account farming, I don't think so because someone like me will not take sold accounts seriously.

[adultcrypto]

This will not help the forum in anyway, instead it will create various problems including people farming account since there is a market for such. It will even motivate people to abuse the merit system in a way that we have never seen before. Despite that accounts sales are not explicitly forbidden in the forum, making it public is like the forum endorsing it as a business. Finally, scammers will definitely find a way to exploit others, like buying account to take out huge loans and then vanish.

[philipma1957]

I have been here for 12 years and five months.

I likely had no signature for 5 - 7 of those years.

But mining and making some money from it kind of dropped off a lot.

I went back to signature rent a while back.

The account has value as does a few dozen or more other members accounts.

I won't be selling  it.

But if you have an official thread and a marked account that is was sold on then official thread it allows tagging all accounts sold off the official thread.

I would argue anyone that has tagged sold accounts with a neg is abusing trust unless the account did wrong.

A neutral tag should be the most you can do since account sales are allowed.

[Mia Chloe]

I would argue anyone that has tagged sold accounts with a neg is abusing trust unless the account did wrong.
A neutral tag should be the most you can do since account sales are allowed.

You've already clarified that you won't be selling your account so I want to assume you are proposing this just so account sale can be organised in a thread and properly moderated. It makes sense but I doubt it'll play out here. Over 90% of account buyers have ill intentions which is why they won't even want it all organised in the thread. Plus they'll end up getting tagged regardless of their intentions.

As for the trust system it's really messed up and it's all political on the forum now. Tags and feedbacks are attributed based on who's involved and not the problem involved.

[Ultegra134]

Account sales are allowed but frowned upon, although they're still happening outside the forum. The whole point of someone buying an enstablished account is for two reasons, to scam people, or most likely, to enter signature campaigns. Although the latter isn't necessarily a threat to other users, it still sounds unethical, and what would be the whole point of buying an account that's knowingly tagged as "Sold"? Who would hire a sold account, or even trust him for any kind of transactions?

I understand the point you're trying to make, regulate sales which would protect users/managers/etc. in the forum by displaying that the account has been transferred hands.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

This idea legitimately makes the account traceable.

Hey I am 68 going on 69 my wife is 69 going on 70.

An account like mine does have value for sale. I am a diabetic maybe I want to sell cause I need cash.

It would be clearly marked.

And a company  may want it for business.

For instance my signature would be ad space for a company and I have over 50,000 posts.

Let's say I get 5,000 a year for my signature  my account would be worth at less 5,000 a year for as long as the company that
 purchased it   shows a signature.

Why wouldn't the idea work?

So imagine if the person who buys your account now eventually turns to a scammer on the forum, that automatically spoils the reputation you have built on the forum for the past 13years. Because for me, I think it is better for an account to remain inactive and retain the prestige and reputation it has got over the years, then been sold to a spammer and loses value in less than few months after been sold. Because one true fact that remains is that whoever buys your account today, I'm 100% sure such individual can never be able to offer the same value you were offering the forum for all the time you were active..

And let's use "Satoshi" account for example, Do you think his account would have remain valuable the way it is today if he had sold his account to a spammer, who probably dragging slot on a signature campaign on the forum?

The answer is "NO"..

Hence, it's better for an account to be inactive and retain it's value, than remain active and loses all it's value and reputation.

Let's say I get 5,000 a year for my signature  my account would be worth at less 5,000 a year for as long as the company that purchased it shows a signature.

So are you trying to say that $5000 per year is worth your 13yrs of been on this forum?... YES or NO...