OFFICIAL 2UP SCAM ME 500$

[gaynellehalsey]

OP, I managed to get in touch with 2UP representative and they're currently sitting with me. Uhh, though perhaps not for long as it's near end of office hour across the whole world. Mind to quickly PM me your username or email you use to register so I can get my contact to pinpoint to your account?

check dm

Got it and currently my contact from 2UP is looking into it, please give a moment for them to get to understand the situation of your account. I think they'll come here themselves when they've got the data and address the matter.

Any news? What are they saying?

[holydarkness]

Any news? What are they saying?

2UP, umm... not yet, but my contact is already aware of your situation and, on our last sit together, they told me that they will make commentary to clarify their position and narrative about this. Let me try to nudge them come Monday to publish it, in case it slipped their mind.

[2UP.io]

OP, I managed to get in touch with 2UP representative and they're currently sitting with me. Uhh, though perhaps not for long as it's near end of office hour across the whole world. Mind to quickly PM me your username or email you use to register so I can get my contact to pinpoint to your account?

check dm

Got it and currently my contact from 2UP is looking into it, please give a moment for them to get to understand the situation of your account. I think they'll come here themselves when they've got the data and address the matter.

Any news? What are they saying?

Generally speaking, we do not respond to fraudulent or syndicate betting groups seeking to exploit erroneous mispricings, in the interest of the debate here we will respond briefly.

Regarding gaynellehalsey, this player is:

1. Made an under bet on Chinese CBA basketball when the market was 92.5 for 1st Quarter, this is a clear mispricing as the market should have been around half that, basketball games don't go that high in scores.
2. Made another bet in Volleyball Poland on prices that did not reflect true market conditions. https://projektwarszawa.waw.pl/informacja-medyczna-przed-meczem-z-bogdanka-luk-lublin/
3. All other bets were made on very low tier obscure table tennis games
4. Total of 7 bets: 1 on the basketball mispricing, 2 in volleyball, 4 on obscure table tennis B setka cup

These were the only markets that the player made bets in, did not place bets on any major sports or leagues.

The player also has another account that has won money with us doing the same betting patterns.

We know accounts are linked because we pay for specialised digital tracking services which we are not at liberty to say.
We do not simply track IP, device, cookies and other information, we don't collect KYC but we have other sophisticated tracking tools.

This player along with the other player on page 38 of the 2UP thread are either:

1. A syndicate betting group seeking to exploint wrong prices on sportsbooks
2. A player/person who has paid to receive such information and seeks to profit from such events.
3. The player on page 38 called bornro / username: bran1 bets exclusively on obscure matches where they have faster event information, all of his bets are "late bets" it means, he bets immediately after a goal has already occurred because prices have not changed, he is able to do so because he bets on Soccer Italy Campionato Primavera U20 match. It is super small and providers don't always have access to the fastest information but the player has a person or scout at the match.


We are working very hard to remove these obscure and small leagues but it is difficult because the leagues come through the API and there are literally hundreds that come up each week and we can't manually remove them yet but we are working on something, it is because of players like this that we are also forced to either remove the leagues or increase the margin/decrease the bet size.

To add more information to the case:

1. These syndicates are NOT bitcointalk members, they do not sign up using the code from the forum, in fact it does not matter.
2. You will see that they are new accounts on bitcointalk by looking at their activity/posts to know they are NOT normal players.
3. We are not saying that we punish non bitcointalk members, we are just trying to highlight the players that have issue with us. When have you ever seen a proper seasoned bitcointalk member complain we steal their money?
4. These are professional syndicate players that seek to win from pricing errors and event speed and fixed matches.
5. These people are the reason platforms like Stake Shuffle Roobet and the top crypto brands are not able to offer good competitive prices compared to some of the local Asian Fiat ones
6. There are many more accounts that are linked to these syndicates or more syndicates that we monitor and get rid of.
7. We will always to confiscating all winnings and full deposits to deter these people from returning.

Final words:

1. If a player comes here, and bets 1$, 10$, 100$, 1000$, 10000$ (which a btctalk member did on a premier league match) and wins then wishes to withdraw, they will have absolutely zero issue.
2. We spend a lot of money doing marketing, the last thing we want to do is to shoot ourselves in the foot and arbitrarily confiscate 50$ to 500$ because we want to steal their money? But we pay out tens or hundreds of thousands to others.
3. Our business is making a spread of between 2.5% to 5% so that normal players are able to enjoy themselves by betting a sporting event, if you are right/lucky we have no problems in paying you.


Forum members are free to draw whatever conclusion and to make their own judgement.

No amount of posts, flaming or anything will change your stance and we will employ more measures to confiscate ALL their money.

We will not be responding to ANY posts by this person, they can write 10 pages of stuff, go open another thread or whatever, this is our stance and decision. The End.

[gaynellehalsey]

OP, I managed to get in touch with 2UP representative and they're currently sitting with me. Uhh, though perhaps not for long as it's near end of office hour across the whole world. Mind to quickly PM me your username or email you use to register so I can get my contact to pinpoint to your account?

check dm

Got it and currently my contact from 2UP is looking into it, please give a moment for them to get to understand the situation of your account. I think they'll come here themselves when they've got the data and address the matter.

Any news? What are they saying?

Generally speaking, we do not respond to fraudulent or syndicate betting groups seeking to exploit erroneous mispricings, in the interest of the debate here we will respond briefly.

Regarding gaynellehalsey, this player is:

1. Made an under bet on Chinese CBA basketball when the market was 92.5 for 1st Quarter, this is a clear mispricing as the market should have been around half that, basketball games don't go that high in scores.
2. Made another bet in Volleyball Poland on prices that did not reflect true market conditions. https://projektwarszawa.waw.pl/informacja-medyczna-przed-meczem-z-bogdanka-luk-lublin/
3. All other bets were made on very low tier obscure table tennis games
4. Total of 7 bets: 1 on the basketball mispricing, 2 in volleyball, 4 on obscure table tennis B setka cup

These were the only markets that the player made bets in, did not place bets on any major sports or leagues.

The player also has another account that has won money with us doing the same betting patterns.

We know accounts are linked because we pay for specialised digital tracking services which we are not at liberty to say.
We do not simply track IP, device, cookies and other information, we don't collect KYC but we have other sophisticated tracking tools.

This player along with the other player on page 38 of the 2UP thread are either:

1. A syndicate betting group seeking to exploint wrong prices on sportsbooks
2. A player/person who has paid to receive such information and seeks to profit from such events.
3. The player on page 38 called bornro / username: bran1 bets exclusively on obscure matches where they have faster event information, all of his bets are "late bets" it means, he bets immediately after a goal has already occurred because prices have not changed, he is able to do so because he bets on Soccer Italy Campionato Primavera U20 match. It is super small and providers don't always have access to the fastest information but the player has a person or scout at the match.


We are working very hard to remove these obscure and small leagues but it is difficult because the leagues come through the API and there are literally hundreds that come up each week and we can't manually remove them yet but we are working on something, it is because of players like this that we are also forced to either remove the leagues or increase the margin/decrease the bet size.

To add more information to the case:

1. These syndicates are NOT bitcointalk members, they do not sign up using the code from the forum, in fact it does not matter.
2. You will see that they are new accounts on bitcointalk by looking at their activity/posts to know they are NOT normal players.
3. We are not saying that we punish non bitcointalk members, we are just trying to highlight the players that have issue with us. When have you ever seen a proper seasoned bitcointalk member complain we steal their money?
4. These are professional syndicate players that seek to win from pricing errors and event speed and fixed matches.
5. These people are the reason platforms like Stake Shuffle Roobet and the top crypto brands are not able to offer good competitive prices compared to some of the local Asian Fiat ones
6. There are many more accounts that are linked to these syndicates or more syndicates that we monitor and get rid of.
7. We will always to confiscating all winnings and full deposits to deter these people from returning.

Final words:

1. If a player comes here, and bets 1$, 10$, 100$, 1000$, 10000$ (which a btctalk member did on a premier league match) and wins then wishes to withdraw, they will have absolutely zero issue.
2. We spend a lot of money doing marketing, the last thing we want to do is to shoot ourselves in the foot and arbitrarily confiscate 50$ to 500$ because we want to steal their money? But we pay out tens or hundreds of thousands to others.
3. Our business is making a spread of between 2.5% to 5% so that normal players are able to enjoy themselves by betting a sporting event, if you are right/lucky we have no problems in paying you.


Forum members are free to draw whatever conclusion and to make their own judgement.

No amount of posts, flaming or anything will change your stance and we will employ more measures to confiscate ALL their money.

We will not be responding to ANY posts by this person, they can write 10 pages of stuff, go open another thread or whatever, this is our stance and decision. The End.

A cheap trick: the Chinese basketball game was canceled—first of all, your provider offered Polish volleyball, and it's stupid to compare them to other providers. Third, you didn't mention the game that was put on the market in the major league, lying to the audience that there were no games. Regarding some player I don't even know—stupid excuses. Keep playing Sherlock. Your cheap excuses didn't live up to my expectations. You picked on two games and compared me to some guy from the chat without providing any evidence. An epic tale of idiocy, you've embarrassed yourself on this entire site.

[gaynellehalsey]

Any news? What are they saying?

2UP, umm... not yet, but my contact is already aware of your situation and, on our last sit together, they told me that they will make commentary to clarify their position and narrative about this. Let me try to nudge them come Monday to publish it, in case it slipped their mind.

The guy has no balls to respond to lcb.org, and he decided to respond here without evidence, accusing me of some kind of syndicate. I've never seen such complete nonsense. So boldly, he's spouting nonsense for $500. Let him continue our conversation on that site. I consider everything he answered here to be nonsense, since there's about 10% truth to it.

[holydarkness]

Any news? What are they saying?

2UP, umm... not yet, but my contact is already aware of your situation and, on our last sit together, they told me that they will make commentary to clarify their position and narrative about this. Let me try to nudge them come Monday to publish it, in case it slipped their mind.

The guy has no balls to respond to lcb.org, and he decided to respond here without evidence, accusing me of some kind of syndicate. I've never seen such complete nonsense. So boldly, he's spouting nonsense for $500. Let him continue our conversation on that site. I consider everything he answered here to be nonsense, since there's about 10% truth to it.

Well, if you don't mind, I happened to verify several casinos [different casinos with each different system anda trigger-alarm and their own unique algorithm]. I guess we can easily prove or disprove their claim of multi-account of syndicate betting, if you allow me to bridge you both? That is, I'll inquire them to substantiate their sentence, but the evidence given will, most likely than not, under for-my-eyes-only basis, as it heavily shows their system.

If you're ok with that?

[gaynellehalsey]

Any news? What are they saying?

2UP, umm... not yet, but my contact is already aware of your situation and, on our last sit together, they told me that they will make commentary to clarify their position and narrative about this. Let me try to nudge them come Monday to publish it, in case it slipped their mind.

The guy has no balls to respond to lcb.org, and he decided to respond here without evidence, accusing me of some kind of syndicate. I've never seen such complete nonsense. So boldly, he's spouting nonsense for $500. Let him continue our conversation on that site. I consider everything he answered here to be nonsense, since there's about 10% truth to it.

Well, if you don't mind, I happened to verify several casinos [different casinos with each different system anda trigger-alarm and their own unique algorithm]. I guess we can easily prove or disprove their claim of multi-account of syndicate betting, if you allow me to bridge you both? That is, I'll inquire them to substantiate their sentence, but the evidence given will, most likely than not, under for-my-eyes-only basis, as it heavily shows their system.

If you're ok with that?

Well, you can ask them for this evidence, but I myself find it funny how he connected that person with me, supposedly by recognizing IP addresses, I think only the site administration can check this, but not him.

[holydarkness]

Well, if you don't mind, I happened to verify several casinos [different casinos with each different system anda trigger-alarm and their own unique algorithm]. I guess we can easily prove or disprove their claim of multi-account of syndicate betting, if you allow me to bridge you both? That is, I'll inquire them to substantiate their sentence, but the evidence given will, most likely than not, under for-my-eyes-only basis, as it heavily shows their system.

If you're ok with that?

Well, you can ask them for this evidence, but I myself find it funny how he connected that person with me, supposedly by recognizing IP addresses, I think only the site administration can check this, but not him.

They actually say the exact opposite of that, they identify connected person not only by recognizing IP, but from many other trigger points, as many casinos did:

[...]

We know accounts are linked because we pay for specialised digital tracking services which we are not at liberty to say.
We do not simply track IP, device, cookies and other information, we don't collect KYC but we have other sophisticated tracking tools.

[...]

If you're agree that I'll be the bridge between you both, though, I don't want any drama, what I see will strictly be for my eyes only if instructed as such by the casino, as much as if you show me something as counter evidence. I will not share them with anyone other than me and my brain. And my call is binding to both parties, though I promise to you, the casino, and the community that I'll review the evidence given to me with as many attention I can pour into them and validate or invalidate the evidence as the supporting counter-argument the casino use.

Do we all enter the binding agreement?

[gaynellehalsey]

Well, if you don't mind, I happened to verify several casinos [different casinos with each different system anda trigger-alarm and their own unique algorithm]. I guess we can easily prove or disprove their claim of multi-account of syndicate betting, if you allow me to bridge you both? That is, I'll inquire them to substantiate their sentence, but the evidence given will, most likely than not, under for-my-eyes-only basis, as it heavily shows their system.

If you're ok with that?

Well, you can ask them for this evidence, but I myself find it funny how he connected that person with me, supposedly by recognizing IP addresses, I think only the site administration can check this, but not him.

They actually say the exact opposite of that, they identify connected person not only by recognizing IP, but from many other trigger points, as many casinos did:

[...]

We know accounts are linked because we pay for specialised digital tracking services which we are not at liberty to say.
We do not simply track IP, device, cookies and other information, we don't collect KYC but we have other sophisticated tracking tools.

[...]

If you're agree that I'll be the bridge between you both, though, I don't want any drama, what I see will strictly be for my eyes only if instructed as such by the casino, as much as if you show me something as counter evidence. I will not share them with anyone other than me and my brain. And my call is binding to both parties, though I promise to you, the casino, and the community that I'll review the evidence given to me with as many attention I can pour into them and validate or invalidate the evidence as the supporting counter-argument the casino use.

Do we all enter the binding agreement?

yes

[aleks86]

2up.io casino is scam casino

I was scammed with about about 41000 usd. Do not used bonuses to get this winnings. Deposit without bonuses and played only Video Slots. After 4 days they deleted my account.

Now I see a lot of cases , where same gamblers was scammed.

[holydarkness]

If you're agree that I'll be the bridge between you both, though, I don't want any drama, what I see will strictly be for my eyes only if instructed as such by the casino, as much as if you show me something as counter evidence. I will not share them with anyone other than me and my brain. And my call is binding to both parties, though I promise to you, the casino, and the community that I'll review the evidence given to me with as many attention I can pour into them and validate or invalidate the evidence as the supporting counter-argument the casino use.

Do we all enter the binding agreement?

yes

Thank you for your consent, I'll start working on it by Monday as I always try to give my best to leave my contacts to their weekend time.

2up.io casino is scam casino

I was scammed with about about 41000 usd. Do not used bonuses to get this winnings. Deposit without bonuses and played only Video Slots. After 4 days they deleted my account.

Now I see a lot of cases , where same gamblers was scammed.

I'll come visit your thread right after this one. Please cease from "polluting" other's SA thread with your own case and details. Sticking to your own thread once you have it, is always the best method to resolve cases as the communication and discussion will be focused in one thread and solely about yours.

[gaynellehalsey]

If you're agree that I'll be the bridge between you both, though, I don't want any drama, what I see will strictly be for my eyes only if instructed as such by the casino, as much as if you show me something as counter evidence. I will not share them with anyone other than me and my brain. And my call is binding to both parties, though I promise to you, the casino, and the community that I'll review the evidence given to me with as many attention I can pour into them and validate or invalidate the evidence as the supporting counter-argument the casino use.

Do we all enter the binding agreement?

yes

Thank you for your consent, I'll start working on it by Monday as I always try to give my best to leave my contacts to their weekend time.

2up.io casino is scam casino

I was scammed with about about 41000 usd. Do not used bonuses to get this winnings. Deposit without bonuses and played only Video Slots. After 4 days they deleted my account.

Now I see a lot of cases , where same gamblers was scammed.

I'll come visit your thread right after this one. Please cease from "polluting" other's SA thread with your own case and details. Sticking to your own thread once you have it, is always the best method to resolve cases as the communication and discussion will be focused in one thread and solely about yours.

Also, please ask about their fake license in Curacao. I would really like to hear from them why they use a fake license.

[gaynellehalsey]

If you're agree that I'll be the bridge between you both, though, I don't want any drama, what I see will strictly be for my eyes only if instructed as such by the casino, as much as if you show me something as counter evidence. I will not share them with anyone other than me and my brain. And my call is binding to both parties, though I promise to you, the casino, and the community that I'll review the evidence given to me with as many attention I can pour into them and validate or invalidate the evidence as the supporting counter-argument the casino use.

Do we all enter the binding agreement?

yes

Thank you for your consent, I'll start working on it by Monday as I always try to give my best to leave my contacts to their weekend time.

2up.io casino is scam casino

I was scammed with about about 41000 usd. Do not used bonuses to get this winnings. Deposit without bonuses and played only Video Slots. After 4 days they deleted my account.

Now I see a lot of cases , where same gamblers was scammed.

I'll come visit your thread right after this one. Please cease from "polluting" other's SA thread with your own case and details. Sticking to your own thread once you have it, is always the best method to resolve cases as the communication and discussion will be focused in one thread and solely about yours.

Any news?

[holydarkness]

Any news?

Which one are you? Sorry, got slipped under my radar as I got busy getting back and forth with one specific casino and a player. Let me get reacquainted with your case. I think my contact already gave their reply regarding your case, I was just forgot to address it here. Let me revisit your thread and see if that reply was about yours.

[gaynellehalsey]

Any news?

Which one are you? Sorry, got slipped under my radar as I got busy getting back and forth with one specific casino and a player. Let me get reacquainted with your case. I think my contact already gave their reply regarding your case, I was just forgot to address it here. Let me revisit your thread and see if that reply was about yours.

What news did you watch? Did they provide you with the real facts?

[holydarkness]

Any news?

Which one are you? Sorry, got slipped under my radar as I got busy getting back and forth with one specific casino and a player. Let me get reacquainted with your case. I think my contact already gave their reply regarding your case, I was just forgot to address it here. Let me revisit your thread and see if that reply was about yours.

What news did you watch? Did they provide you with the real facts?

Currently about the battleship of certain country approaching other country, as it directly affect my IRL business. Why are you interested with the news I am following, if I may ask?

About the real facts, that's what I am doing right now, I am reaching several contacts of mine and pull some strings, to get them to do me a favor to run things for me so I can check whether or not what they presenting to me are facts or not.