Satofan44: biggest moron on Bitcointalk

[LoyceV]

The question is, can or should you merit a "good post" even when the poster is known for bad behavior?

I'd Merit those posts, but in this case, I won't read them anymore as he's on my Ignore list. His good technical posts are wasted because of his trolling and drama.

[Satofan44]

I gave Satofan44 some merits for good posts that didn't include insults but were worthy and helpful in my opinion from a technical and content point of view. Not sure how many merits, apparently not enough to get listed on his BPIP profile, as I'm hesitant to merit someone who is known for his racist insults or other destructive forum habits. He's clearly capable of producing good content posts when he leaves out his rage.

The question is, can or should you merit a "good post" even when the poster is known for bad behavior? Sitting between chairs here...

I try to judge posts mostly by their content, not by the poster itself. Though, I tend to refuse to give merits to people with questionable behavior and habits who act like part- or full-time trolls. It feels wrong to me when it sticks, the accumulated merits, to the poster in the end and not only to the posted content.

Of course you should, that was the whole point of the merit system -- I sometimes use my limited merits with people who I strongly disagree with where appropriate. Meanwhile most of the senior members that would be considered here "respected" turned the merit system into a popularity contest as found on Instagram, where they merit-bomb their friends on mediocre posts but refrain from meriting someone who they don't like or whose opinion they don't like or agree with in that particular thread, even if the post is extremely substantial. Of course, such retards such as LoyceV hate it when they are called out for abusing the system especially by a new user who has better technical knowledge than 99.9% of the seniors here.   It is the classic case of status quo corruption, but most would prefer to be silent lest they not risk their positions of power or income from signature campaigns.  

Calling out shitposters, spammers, non-declared AI vomit and fighting those who spoil and leech the forum, is one thing, another is doing it in a civilized, non-racist fashion, in my opinion.

None of the terms that I regularly use refer to any kind of "race". How about users first familiarize themselves what it actually means to be racist. 3rd world parasites, pieces of shit, pajeets, Islamic goat fuckers and so forth -- none of these are any kind of racism. Do you mean to blame me for describing the truth of the world, that an extremely disproportionate amount of people from the 3rd world are pieces of shit? Of course, it is the fault of Satan44 and not of the people themselves for committing whatever actions that they commit. Dare he not speak the truth of the world.

Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race or ethnicity over another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

I literally do not give a fuck about races, the 3rd world consists of every single race that is present on the planet. As you see, most members including yourself can't even get the criticism of me right. You could accurately say that I am extremely rude, or provide an opinion that I am evil -- sure, but you can't claim that I am racist. My history is in fact from a very specific combination of races of the 3rd world, I have great experience with these parasitic fuckers many of which need swift and legal execution (our laws are too weak).

[libert19]

Of course you should, that was the whole point of the merit system -- I sometimes use my limited merits with people who I strongly disagree with where appropriate. Meanwhile most of the senior members that would be considered here "respected" turned the merit system into a popularity contest as found on Instagram, where they merit-bomb their friends on mediocre posts but refrain from meriting someone who they don't like or whose opinion they don't like or agree with in that particular thread, even if the post is extremely substantial. Of course, such retards such as LoyceV hate it when they are called out for abusing the system especially by a new user who has better technical knowledge than 99.9% of the seniors here.   It is the classic case of status quo corruption, but most would prefer to be silent lest they not risk their positions of power or income from signature campaigns.  

Aren't you tired of dickriding yourself? As for merit distribution, I do agree that users may merit familiar faces more, but look at yourself, aren't you where you are solely due to your knowledge!?

None of the terms that I regularly use refer to any kind of "race". How about users first familiarize themselves what it actually means to be racist. 3rd world parasites, pieces of shit, pajeets, Islamic goat fuckers and so forth -- none of these are any kind of racism.

Breh, the terms you mentioned literally SCREAMS racism.

Do you mean to blame me for describing the truth of the world, that an extremely disproportionate amount of people from the 3rd world are pieces of shit? Of course, it is the fault of Satan44 and not of the people themselves for committing whatever actions that they commit. Dare he not speak the truth of the world.

People are result of circumstances (brain is fragile thing, and as such garbage environments create more garbage). Although, certainly it does not exempt one from wrong acts that one may commit.

I have great experience with these parasitic fuckers many of which need swift and legal execution (our laws are too weak).

Looks like, if you had any powers, you would have already become next Hitler.

[m2017]

Hmm, I wouldn't agree with that. People are usually judged by their friends. There are no friends on this forum, but a user's merits can be judged by those who give them to them. Can you call those who helped him rise in rank (very quickly, if you noticed) idiots? Imagine the situation offline. Would you appreciate the words of an idiot if he explained something to you? No. But here you see a completely different picture. His merits were given to him by very smart people.

Some people (up to a point) manage to carefully hide their idiocy. I can assume that at the time of his credit, Satofan44 wasn't displaying any negative qualities (did he lack the courage at the time? ), and in that case, the users who credited him for quality posts can't be blamed for anything.

I'd Merit those posts, but in this case, I won't read them anymore as he's on my Ignore list. His good technical posts are wasted because of his trolling and drama.

Here is LoyceV's explanation regarding previously merits.

I would say that in Satofan's case, the problem is his lack of restraint, and that's very bad. He also has problems accepting the imperfections of the world, which no one can change, and he just can't accept them.🤷‍♀️

If a lack of restraint is disrupting the BTC-community, or worse, is breaking (does it break?) the forum rules, then isn't that a reason to take some action?

I literally do not give a fuck about races, the 3rd world consists of every single race that is present on the planet. As you see, most members including yourself can't even get the criticism of me right. You could accurately say that I am extremely rude, or provide an opinion that I am evil -- sure, but you can't claim that I am racist. My history is in fact from a very specific combination of races of the 3rd world, I have great experience with these parasitic fuckers many of which need swift and legal execution (our laws are too weak).

None of the terms that I regularly use refer to any kind of "race". How about users first familiarize themselves what it actually means to be racist. 3rd world parasites, pieces of shit, pajeets, Islamic goat fuckers and so forth -- none of these are any kind of racism. Do you mean to blame me for describing the truth of the world, that an extremely disproportionate amount of people from the 3rd world are pieces of shit? Of course, it is the fault of Satan44 and not of the people themselves for committing whatever actions that they commit. Dare he not speak the truth of the world.

I understand freedom of speech and all that, but is this kind of commentary acceptable? Especially since it's clearly off-topic on a technical forum.

Freedom of speech ends where the "freedom" of others begins.

Yes, you can ignore this user (and turn a blind eye) to avoid seeing their unfriendly posts, but other users and forum guests will see it. Why would users interested in bitcoin need this shit?

Sometimes we have to choose how to respond to insults. If you're not the person they're writing about in trust, then just move on, but by yelling, you're putting yourself on the same level as such people. The OP, having raised the topic, also talks about himself, showing his character, which sometimes reminds me of a trader at the market, who starts a fight every time he sees someone who has slightly offended him.

Normal people don't squat down and bark back at a barking dog. But if people create discomfort for others, they are usually isolated. At least for a while, to "cool down" and reconsider behavior.

I wonder if Satofan44 enjoys the BTC-community's attention being directed at him?

[Free Market Capitalist]

As r7 said, possibly he is the butthurt alt of figmentofhisass. That's a good pick. That dude manipulated and cheated the biggest sig camp of the forum for years with his multiple accs. He is off the rails now because he lost all the bucks he made of the forum and also lost his money making farm and trying to take revenge. That's a plausible story.

So, this guy: figmentofmyass

Interesting.

Then he decided to go full retard again.

I like your description.

I wonder if Satofan44 enjoys the BTC-community's attention being directed at him?

Of course, as I said before he is an attention-seeking whore. What he likes most is when people take the bait, stoop to his level, and start arguing with him—giving weight to what he says instead of treating him like the trash he is (by ignoring him and laughing at him).

[Xiestar]

I don't read what he says because I've got him on my ignore list, but it's clear that this guy is an attention-seeking whore. What pisses him off the most is when you laugh at him and ignore him, but I see that a lot of you fall for his tricks.

As I said on my last post here that he will be big problem once people start ignoring and act normal while shit people littering around.

I don’t understand why campaign still hire user with this kind of behavior that fuels their toxic behavior. Removing their campaign will push this kind of user to become civilized or post less in the forum. This is why I suggested a sig ban for this user since his post only creates noise due to the huge volume of user ignoring him.

[mindrust]

I don't read what he says because I've got him on my ignore list, but it's clear that this guy is an attention-seeking whore. What pisses him off the most is when you laugh at him and ignore him, but I see that a lot of you fall for his tricks.

As I said on my last post here that he will be big problem once people start ignoring and act normal while shit people littering around.

I don’t understand why campaign still hire user with this kind of behavior that fuels their toxic behavior. Removing their campaign will push this kind of user to become civilized or post less in the forum. This is why I suggested a sig ban for this user since his post only creates noise due to the huge volume of user ignoring him.

Then we would sig ban people for the tone of their posts, we would effectively be using signatur ban to manipulate people into something they are not.

I'd rather have the unfixed, fully unleashed satofan around instead of the one that's hiding his true self to keep his sig camp munney...

That's not a good idea. I am not even sure if the current decision by theymos giving nutildah the power to apply sig bans is a good one. It might turn out to be a good one if he doesn't go crazy with it. If we start sig banning every other person we don't like, soon you'll only hear an echochamber.

Remember; Diversity is out strength and if you don't like what he says, you can always ignore him. If he is making of his signatures? Who cares really... I'd rather let the casino owner think about that having a crazy nut promoting his services and scaring away their customers...

[lovesmayfamilis]

I'd rather have the unfixed, fully unleashed satofan around instead of the one that's hiding his true self to keep his sig camp munney...

You said it well, and I'll add a quote from a Russian actress who once said, "It's better to be a good person who swears obscenities than a quiet, well-mannered scum." Faina Ranevskaya.

All those people who cheat the forum only seem well-mannered and decent, but as soon as the opportunity to make a profit arises somewhere, they forget what "conscience" is and cheat, trying in every possible way to squeeze as much as possible out of the forum. Would anyone doubt the recent history of baking pizza? Do we need more examples of dozens of alts participating in the same company?

Who will be more correct and well-mannered here? The one who says "Sir" every time he comes up with a new lie? Come on... rename the forum to "School for Good and Innocent Girls" for that matter.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I'd rather have the unfixed, fully unleashed satofan around instead of the one that's hiding his true self to keep his sig camp munney...

You said it well, and I'll add a quote from a Russian actress who once said, "It's better to be a good person who swears obscenities than a quiet, well-mannered scum." Faina Ranevskaya.

Yeah, but are we sure that Satofan44 didn't have an account on the forum before that ended in trouble? If so, that would be a false dichotomy, a false dilemma. It’s been suggested that he might be an alt account for figmentofmyass, but without any evidence to back it up, it’s nothing more than baseless speculation. However, I think that without aiming so high, there are two fairly likely possibilities:

1. Given his knowledge, it’s very unlikely that he didn’t know about this forum before and maybe not so unlikely but unlikely after all that he hadn’t had an account here previously.

2. The controversy he’s caused by red-tagging half the forum doesn’t make much sense unless there was some prior grievance.

Although it doesn't seem like he was stupid enough to leave a trail that would let them trace his previous account using blockchain analysis.

[LoyceV]

Freedom of speech ends where the "freedom" of others begins.

I don''t think that's true, at least on Bitcointalk. But freedom of speech doesn't mean I have to listen to it

[m2017]

Freedom of speech ends where the "freedom" of others begins.

I don''t think that's true, at least on Bitcointalk. But freedom of speech doesn't mean I have to listen to it

That's why there's a magic ignore button. By the way, if he's already on your ignore list, why are you discussing someone on that list in a topic dedicated to him? Admit it, you don't get enough of he's attention?

I'd Merit those posts, but in this case, I won't read them anymore as he's on my Ignore list. His good technical posts are wasted because of his trolling and drama.

All those people who cheat the forum only seem well-mannered and decent,

Not caught is not a thief. I'm sure you know this proverb.

This world is full of hypocrisy. It can't be eradicated. But when someone starts behaving inappropriately, everyone starts to shun them. This form of "honesty" is unpopular.

You said it well, and I'll add a quote from a Russian actress who once said, "It's better to be a good person who swears obscenities than a quiet, well-mannered scum." Faina Ranevskaya.

Are you suggesting we put Satofan44 on this forum's honor roll? With the note "he's a very good person at heart"?

[lovesmayfamilis]

Not caught is not a thief. I'm sure you know this proverb.

I understand perfectly well what it means not to catch a thief. I see some from afar; they flash lanterns, starting with template communication, and yes, I actively use the ignore button.

You said it well, and I'll add a quote from a Russian actress who once said, "It's better to be a good person who swears obscenities than a quiet, well-mannered scum." Faina Ranevskaya.

Are you suggesting we put Satofan44 on this forum's honor roll? With the note "he's a very good person at heart"?

When it comes to "inappropriate behavior," I am allergic to flattery and lies, as well as to expressing agreement through quotation, but not to rudeness, since for some it is deserved. Maybe I'll prefer the people I see in their posts.., yes, definitely..., and omit their "inappropriate behavior from your point of view," since it doesn't matter to me.

Well, if that's what you're asking, then definitely the one I'm talking about, answering your question personally (in comparison), would be my preference. 🤷‍♀️

Therefore, again, if we talk about the fact that people here are different, then you need to accept those who are good for you (at heart) and ignore the rest. I definitely want to take the second position in your choice.🤗

[xLays]

Freedom of speech ends where the "freedom" of others begins.

I don''t think that's true, at least on Bitcointalk. But freedom of speech doesn't mean I have to listen to it

Yeah I don't think bitcointalk is 100% free speech but because is it of the trust system. User can say what they want, but some may hesitate if they think it could lead to negative trust rating. Whether that's justified or not is a different discussion.
Telling this based on personal experience. lol I even got neutral tag with ref "asshole" by just meriting a post.

[Xiestar]

I don't read what he says because I've got him on my ignore list, but it's clear that this guy is an attention-seeking whore. What pisses him off the most is when you laugh at him and ignore him, but I see that a lot of you fall for his tricks.

As I said on my last post here that he will be big problem once people start ignoring and act normal while shit people littering around.

I don’t understand why campaign still hire user with this kind of behavior that fuels their toxic behavior. Removing their campaign will push this kind of user to become civilized or post less in the forum. This is why I suggested a sig ban for this user since his post only creates noise due to the huge volume of user ignoring him.

Then we would sig ban people for the tone of their posts, we would effectively be using signatur ban to manipulate people into something they are not.

I'd rather have the unfixed, fully unleashed satofan around instead of the one that's hiding his true self to keep his sig camp munney...

That's not a good idea. I am not even sure if the current decision by theymos giving nutildah the power to apply sig bans is a good one. It might turn out to be a good one if he doesn't go crazy with it. If we start sig banning every other person we don't like, soon you'll only hear an echochamber.

Remember; Diversity is out strength and if you don't like what he says, you can always ignore him. If he is making of his signatures? Who cares really... I'd rather let the casino owner think about that having a crazy nut promoting his services and scaring away their customers...

You definitely missed the point. This user involved already have lots of user put him on distrust and ignore list which means there’s only few sane members wants to read his post.

If sigban applies to user that post just to add only noise to the forum then why the heck this lunatic is exempted?

We should admit that you people only depending this kind of behavior because you have the same condescending behavior which is fine if done on occasionally. This is a different case since he is a lunatic on extreme level. Check how he use trust system then combine it to his post behavior.


And what the hell Rainbet is getting by employing user like this.

[Satofan44]

When it comes to "inappropriate behavior," I am allergic to flattery and lies, as well as to expressing agreement through quotation, but not to rudeness, since for some it is deserved. Maybe I'll prefer the people I see in their posts.., yes, definitely..., and omit their "inappropriate behavior from your point of view," since it doesn't matter to me.

Well, if that's what you're asking, then definitely the one I'm talking about, answering your question personally (in comparison), would be my preference. 🤷‍♀️

Therefore, again, if we talk about the fact that people here are different, then you need to accept those who are good for you (at heart) and ignore the rest. I definitely want to take the second position in your choice.🤗

You understand me so well, and the world -- even if we disagree on various things to various degrees. Most of the cheating behavior predominantly comes from people who have used various attempts of flattery, fakery and other manipulations of all sort. There is nothing wrong with being rude, especially when in many cases it is justifiable. Many people who I tagged or called a shitposter already got signature bans or will get signature bans, and nutildah is definitely softer and more fair than me. It is only the naive and foolish who believe that pretending long term is not viable, when each extremely successful conman was exactly like that.  Many people here do not learn any lessons at all, how many Sapta cases are necessary for them to learn that the part in bold is accurate?

You said it well, and I'll add a quote from a Russian actress who once said, "It's better to be a good person who swears obscenities than a quiet, well-mannered scum." Faina Ranevskaya.

Many here are scum that have been pretending for a very long time to preserve their status quo payments, but not necessarily all of them employ alts or account farms.

Yeah, but are we sure that Satofan44 didn't have an account on the forum before that ended in trouble? If so, that would be a false dichotomy, a false dilemma. It’s been suggested that he might be an alt account for figmentofmyass, but without any evidence to back it up, it’s nothing more than baseless speculation. However, I think that without aiming so high, there are two fairly likely possibilities:

Which retarded attempt at finding my "account" is this now? You guys collectively have come up with all kinds of names, none of which I know -- and none of which I would waste my time looking into as I am certain there would be no resemble of any kind. You are trying get rid of me for calling you out on your idiocy, corruption and general low level of Bitcoin knowledge. You are not going to find "my account" ever, for a very simple Occam's Razor reason: It does not exist. I am me and I have always been only me. Instead of trying to run Bitcontalk as an Instagram popularity contest, perhaps you should learn the basics of how Bitcoin works instead -- after all the years you have spent shitposting and farming money here, that is the least that you owe to our dear old Bitcoin. 

And what the hell Rainbet is getting by employing user like this.

You may be a bit mad that you can't get your farmed accounts enrolled in signature campaigns, whereas I had no issue joining a campaign since the moment that I figured out that I could -- nevertheless, this does not change the fact that I write some of the best posts this forum has seen in recent history and my behavior generates plenty of views due to controversy. If anything, I should be paid 5 or 10 times more than the next user -- I am a gold mine for them, excellent utility to cost ratio. 

[snipie]

After reading the posts above, I would say a troll is a troll and giving him merit for his presumably good mind-generated posts is legitimate for sure but feeding a troll is disgraceful.
Satofan44 reminds me of the other idiot called Sweminer777. I dislike these kind of useless people and what makes me even worrying is the attitude of Hhampuz towards continuing to enroll him in his signature campaign. That lower his credibility and the credibility of Rainbet itself.

[lovesmayfamilis]

We should admit that you people only depending this kind of behavior because you have the same condescending behavior which is fine if done on occasionally. This is a different case since he is a lunatic on extreme level. Check how he use trust system then combine it to his post behavior.

Do you know what it means to "change shoes in the air? "If someone had told me who I see a resemblance to in your account, I would certainly have pointed to the one you are fighting so desperately against right now.

I accidentally remembered your words.👇

Let’s be honest here, this MF will never stop using the forum even after being busted or banned because they get a good profit here instead of getting a job on their country with low minimum rate. They will just create a new account and do the same shit of merit jerking to each other until they repeat the process.

This is inevitable thinking for people that live on poor country which people from rich country hard to understand.

What I don’t understand is why they need to farm account and cheat on campaign while they can disclose all their alt account and join on different campaigns?

This pajeets and carvers always abusing campaigns of Hhampuz through their huge merit counts from jerking to each other. If these jeerz don’t abuse campaigns I think multiple account will not be a big deal now that signature campaigns is already increasing. Most of Hhampuz campaign is now composed of users from merit jerker gang of Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Turkey. Glad that Indonesian peepz already slow down.

Yes, you are softer, but the message is the same, isn't it?🤔