Is Thread Quality Falling?

[bitmover]

Maybe. However, in comparison to our 'competitors' i.e social media. I'd say we're still a lot better for lengthy in depth discussions. I don't think there's anywhere else that offers the same level of depth. So, while it might be declining I still think its better than all the alternatives.

I would say that there are relevant discussions in both social media and here.

Twitter has good discussions, just like bitcointalk have. You just need to know how to navigate in this forum, which is a lot harder than in Twitter or Facebook etc...

[Ivystar5]

Yet another quality post query, can I still say that quality post is subjective, personally I think it still depends on you but generally you are right there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

I personally don't know why people like you chose to be ignorant or negligent of what's happening, and you still choose to be blind even though it is visible that the quality of post in this forum has reduced, in a thousand threads create in a month, only 10 would be a wow kind of thread apart from querying and finding alts or dragging each other. Op is making a clear and conscious observation which I know for sure that it's true.

Just like you op, I feel like there is no much interesting things happening in the crypto space like before maybe it's part of it, however we can't complain it's not happening while we too are not creating wow kind of threads, so op lets start with ourselves and see if it works.

[Agbamoni]

I personally don't know why people like you chose to be ignorant or negligent of what's happening, and you still choose to be blind even though it is visible that the quality of post in this forum has reduced, in a thousand threads create in a month, only 10 would be a wow kind of thread apart from querying and finding alts or dragging each other. Op is making a clear and conscious observation which I know for sure that it's true. 

Quality post is subject, just like what Zaguru said in his first sentence.
Discussions you may be interested in may not be interesting to someone. This is why it is a public forum. We dont have the same opinions and views on each topic.
In addition, a topic may not have much information and can be considered less quality, but the comments under it might carry important ideas and points which can be helpful.

[Welsh]

A lot of topics now are regurgitated or just talking about the same ol' things, but I can't think of one place that is 10+ years old that doesn't suffer from this. You could go as far as the older generation, what do they talk about? Usually, the same thing over and over. Maybe, they are reliving through you, talking about their glory days or just days they remember fondly. I'd even argue you wouldn't even need to go as far as the older generation it was just easier to make the point. We all talk about the same things everyday. I, you and everyone reading this post. Its only when you get many different perspectives that you get a discussion. However, a lot of things have already been discussed, however that doesn't mean there's not any new input. People change, ideas change and perception changes day to day.

I've personally seen Bitcoin go from something which is outright denounced on sight by everyone I meet, to the more computer inclined people only talking about it, to pretty much everyone I have ever known talk about it at some point. Alright, its usually still with scepticism, but 10 years from now we might have a discussion about the same thing, but with a different perception. They might in fact trust it more, and have new input.

So, yeah same sort of discussions, but a shift in mentality, new ideas or ways of thinking about something is all part of the evolution of Bitcoin and the forum.

New ideas are presented every day. This might get a lot of hate, because generally the hostility towards altcoins is a rather frequent opinion expressed (not without its justifications) but the altcoins are indeed new ideas. Bitcoin isn't perfect, and we have altcoins attempting every day to improve on that. Obviously, that doesn't mean that a lot of them aren't a shower of shit though.  

We've got mining changing every day, the fight against the rising costs of mining, to the point that the general user like me and you will be priced out, and dedicated mining companies are all to remain. New hardware, new ideas or just different ways of going about things like group "solo" mining where you get a small group of people, point all their miners to the same custom pool and share the reward rather than joining a much larger pool or solo mining themselves. These are just examples, but before you were either pool mining or solo mining, because the costs of such were lower. Now, people are looking for ways to get into mining before its too late (due to costs) and maximising their profits and chances which usually means banding together in some way.

New ideas and mini discussions floating all around us. Unfortunately at times it does seem like we are wading through shite to get there though. This does come with popularity and ease of access. Bitcoin software is so much easier to use these days. 10 years ago, it was hard to setup a wallet, now its practically like any other bank account you might have for more traditional monies.

Twitter has good discussions, just like bitcointalk have. You just need to know how to navigate in this forum, which is a lot harder than in Twitter or Facebook etc...

I must be getting old. I absolutely despise Twitter and how its laid out. I wouldn't know as I don't have twitter any more, but didn't they go away from chronological sorting of ports? To me that's counter intuitive. I'm sure it can be configured, but I'm sure I remember it going to the default not being sorted by new or something. It has been a few years though.

I'm sure there's some great discussion elsewhere. I won't say there isn't, but if you want a discussion where's the first place that pops into your mind? It has to be here. Reddit and Twitter I see more as news and reaction to the new, rather than getting into the very ins and outs of Bitcoin or related spaces.

[nutildah]

I've noticed a surge in low-paying sig campaign positions that has taken place over the last 6 months or so. This has caused people to fire up or purchase old accounts that enroll in these campaigns and then flood the forum with low quality content. Motivation is everything, and also, you get what you pay for.

there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

There's always something interesting going on in the world of Bitcoin somewhere, but even if there isn't, that's not really a good reason not to strive to make quality posts.

[notocactus]

Yeah I know understand how we say quality is subjective but there's some level of objectivity
I realized since last month or some weeks
The threads relative quality has fallen
Especially in the Bitcoin Discussion board (don't frequent beginners and help that much anymore)

When shitposters become future of the forum, it's what it is.

It's not only me complained about it, and with my experience as a member who had to fight hard to rank up with merit system since January 2018, I realized that ranking up in the forum in two or three latest years has become much more easily. I believe that many people saw the reasons and even comlained about that, it's simply a failure of merit system recent years.

Shitposters ranked up speedily, that's amazing for them but a severe failure of merit system and the forum.
After they ranked up, worn signature, earned money, their shitpost productivity increases more signifcantly, and make the forum worse.

The cycle continues, you know.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I follow some news aggregator channels on Telegram, and there is always something interesting happening related to Bitcoin and crypto. Maybe not every interesting topic needs to be discussed in depth, but there is still a lot of room for improvement in quality of forum threads.

One of the main reasons, in my opinion, for the way things are is simply because a lot of forum users are uninterested in Bitcoin beyond it being a way in which they can earn fiat money. We can see from signature campaign payments that a lot of users send their weekly payment directly to centralized exchanges. They see campaigns as just another airdrop farming opportunity and do not care that the forum can be a place to gain knowledge through reading and engaging in meaningful discussions.

The shitpost-to-earn attitude doesn’t apply to everyone, obviously, but it is still far too pervasive throughout many forum sections.

[LoyceV]

It's not only me complained about it, and with my experience as a member who had to fight hard to rank up with merit system since January 2018, I realized that ranking up in the forum in two or three latest years has become much more easily. I believe that many people saw the reasons and even comlained about that, it's simply a failure of merit system recent years.

Shitposters ranked up speedily, that's amazing for them but a severe failure of merit system and the forum.
After they ranked up, worn signature, earned money, their shitpost productivity increases more signifcantly, and make the forum worse.

I think you're on to something. Lately, I've been Ignoring more and more users who "earned" a decent amount of Merit. In this topic, that's Odusko (earned 553 Merits) and Faisal2202 (earned 543 Merits). Both of them used fillippone's Merit giveaway thread, both of them earned most of their Merit in their early days, and both of them barely earned any Merit in the last 120 days:

Merit received by Odusko (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until December 26, 2025 (source)

Merit received by Faisal2202 (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until December 26, 2025 (source)

Both never received any Merit from me, and both of them ended up on my ignore list when I saw their posts on the more serious boards.

Odusko shows a very clear pattern:

The moment his rank was high enough to start earning money, he stopped earning Merit and started spamming more.

(Source: bitlist.co)

[Faisal2202]

Faisal2202 (earned 543 Merits). Both of them used fillippone's Merit giveaway thread, both of them earned most of their Merit in their early days, and both of them barely earned any Merit in the last 120 days:

Merit received by Faisal2202 (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until December 26, 2025 (source)


Both never received any Merit from me, and both of them ended up on my ignore list when I saw their posts on the more serious boards.

I did'nt knew I was a shitposter in your sight and I was on your ignore list as well 💔 but it's ok now I know, and I will try to be a better poster for you but if I am not receiving any merit, how is that my mistake! Because I try to be useful, add value,and  try to be active and helpful. I was most active in early days because of free time and forum was new, getting merit feels good and still feel good but now I focus on other things as well and I still want to earn merits but I am not getting any and I am also active on the other forums too that are time taking and eat half of my time I used to give here, and other than this, most of members have groups, they only shares merits to each other but I am not blamming anyone or saying the merit system is rigged but it is a subjective thing if someone is on the buddy list or love list of someone else's sight and receiving merits from them I don't mind.

But if I am not on someone's love list and not receiving merits, or not in any group and not receiving merits, how is that my fault? I can just try my best and take my time to get benefit of the events like fillippone's Merit giveaway and if that was not nice for me to do in your sight then I will not participate in the upcoming giveaways or anything that rewards merit although I had two on my sight because it would benefit me two way one I would learn a lot, second I would get some merit (i was planning on running node for past three months) but I am lazy as hell and got less time but I enjoy every bit here.

Now about serious boards, I think btc discussion, trading discussion, help and beginners are not one of those, I was active most there, I then started to participate in ann, technical (to learn some shit) made some posts under services (to learn some shit) I was here to learn and ask question and get answers and use it for my own benefits and i kinda like it too.

Thanks for your insightful comments about me and I will do my best from now on. New year resolution now to be unignored by you 

[Cryptoprincess101]

Threads quality has reduced in recent years because most of the threads are being created by newbies with insufficient knowledge about bitcoin. Take for example; the bitcoin discussion board, just check the first page and see the profiles that created most of those threads, they are mostly newbies so why won't the quality deteriorate.

Yet another quality post query, can I still say that quality post is subjective, personally I think it still depends on you but generally you are right there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

I think you are wrong in this statement that i highlighted from your post because for the fact that there haven't been fascinating stuffs happening around bitcoin doesn't mean that the bitcoin discussion board should be flooded with low value posts. If there are no new things happening around bitcoin then the board should remain dormant. Maybe, it should have been that since nothing new is ongoing about bitcoin, no new threads should be created since most of them are just basically repetition of old threads.

[Nathrixxx]

Is it that there's nothing interesting happening anymore or I'm the one that needs to stop taking coffee. .if not the above what could be the problem? Leaning towards the former though.

I don't think we have to always arrive at the same and usual experience with how members post, sometimes, I do have personal feelings that experienced members are more often creating threads and posting more engaging quality content. At the same time, at some point, I also realized that this sometimes also shifts to low-ranking members. Still, whichever way, quality contribution cannot be undermined regardless of the board on this forum. The more we keep having new members, and some will be established while may not, but the need for quality posts will always remain ever relevant, especially on Bitcoin discussion boards.

[Ocham]

Yeah I know understand how we say quality is subjective but there's some level of objectivity
I realized since last month or some weeks
The threads relative quality has fallen
Especially in the Bitcoin Discussion board (don't frequent beginners and help that much anymore)

Right, I’ve noticed this too. From what I’ve understood as a relatively new member, only the more experienced and genuinely helpful people tend to post in the Beginners & Help forum. I believe this section will become even more helpful in the future, because reading posts from senior and reputable members gives very good insights. We benefit a lot from their experience, learn new perspectives, and that helps us improve ourselves.

[Lucius]

Yeah I know understand how we say quality is subjective but there's some level of objectivity
I realized since last month or some weeks
The threads relative quality has fallen
Especially in the Bitcoin Discussion board (don't frequent beginners and help that much anymore)
~snip~

Are you saying in the last few weeks or a month? It's hard to evaluate something like that in such a short period of time. Bitcoin discussion has been a board in which the quality has declined for years because not only are there too many trivial topics, but there are also a lot of topics that don't belong there.

How to fix it? To begin with, you can report any topic that has nothing to do with the Bitcoin discussion or one that you consider a low value topic, and then if you have a good idea, you can open your own topic and try to contribute to a higher quality.

However, if you look carefully, you will always find a good topic worth reading and discussing in the Bitcoin discussion.

[Zaguru12]

Yet another quality post query, can I still say that quality post is subjective, personally I think it still depends on you but generally you are right there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

I personally don't know why people like you chose to be ignorant or negligent of what's happening, and you still choose to be blind even though it is visible that the quality of post in this forum has reduced, in a thousand threads create in a month, only 10 would be a wow kind of thread apart from querying and finding alts or dragging each other. Op is making a clear and conscious observation which I know for sure that it's true.

I think someone like you actually need to develop the culture of reading someone’s entire post before cutting half of that to actually suit your narrative. I stated clearly that the decrease of post quality on that specific board has even been happening far beyond that one month threshold. And yet again you buttress my point by saying only 10 posts are of quality while I stated clearly that post qualities were subjective, if they weren’t subjective how did you come up with 10 quality threads because I know me or someone would have actually said it’s not upto that number, or was I wrong saying something you perceived wrong might not be in others eyes, or we simply just go with your own opinion.

Yet another quality post query, can I still say that quality post is subjective, personally I think it still depends on you but generally you are right there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

I think you are wrong in this statement that i highlighted from your post because for the fact that there haven't been fascinating stuffs happening around bitcoin doesn't mean that the bitcoin discussion board should be flooded with low value posts. If there are no new things happening around bitcoin then the board should remain dormant. Maybe, it should have been that since nothing new is ongoing about bitcoin, no new threads should be created since most of them are just basically repetition of old threads.

I actually wasn’t on that and you might have to through the post yet again, I was saying I didn’t expect less from that board because it’s my personal opinion that the board is actually losing quality more than even a month a go and most post there are actually recycled stories.

Yes it will be great that if there is nothing going around people shouldn’t make useless threads, i think we can all help by reporting those threads lacking quality

[KingsDen]

Concerning if post or thread quality is failing, I read somewhere that fillippone made a very salient point why it seems that quality is failing. He said that in the early days of bitcoin, we do not have large or ample knowledge of bitcoin, so many threads therefore appeared quality. But today, bitcoin has gone global, likewise its knowledge. So, you don't expect that people start creating posts teaching what has been taught or known before.
I agree with him.

[dkbit98]

List of topics and members I ignore is growing every day, and that makes it easier to navigate the forum.
I think our local board improved slightly since we got some solid new members and some old ones came back.

That board has been a shithole for as long as I can remember. It shouldn't be, it should be one of the best boards we have, but it isn't.
I'm more concerned that even Meta gets more and more shitposters (and I don't mean you) with gambling signature trying to earn Merit and reach their post quota.

Bitcoin board has silently and gradually morphed into News board.
I can still find some useful information there and I do post there sometimes, but not like I did few years ago.

[Ivystar5]

I personally don't know why people like you chose to be ignorant or negligent of what's happening, and you still choose to be blind even though it is visible that the quality of post in this forum has reduced, in a thousand threads create in a month, only 10 would be a wow kind of thread apart from querying and finding alts or dragging each other. Op is making a clear and conscious observation which I know for sure that it's true.  

Quality post is subject, just like what Zaguru said in his first sentence.
Discussions you may be interested in may not be interesting to someone. This is why it is a public forum. We dont have the same opinions and views on each topic.
In addition, a topic may not have much information and can be considered less quality, but the comments under it might carry important ideas and points which can be helpful.

Only the last statement sounded smart the rest of the words you used are just fully blatantly vague.
Quality of post is subjective which is a general notion in this forum even during the days we had enough quality post undeniably yet subjectivity was an anchor and now that the level of productive post has reduced, this basically shows that some of you do not really understand OPs point of view but only follow same old statements that has left us here in the forum, let's be rational and make step forward by understanding deeply and calling white, white and not black.

Yet another quality post query, can I still say that quality post is subjective, personally I think it still depends on you but generally you are right there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

I personally don't know why people like you chose to be ignorant or negligent of what's happening, and you still choose to be blind even though it is visible that the quality of post in this forum has reduced, in a thousand threads create in a month, only 10 would be a wow kind of thread apart from querying and finding alts or dragging each other. Op is making a clear and conscious observation which I know for sure that it's true.

I think someone like you actually need to develop the culture of reading someone’s entire post before cutting half of that to actually suit your narrative. I stated clearly that the decrease of post quality on that specific board has even been happening far beyond that one month threshold. And yet again you buttress my point by saying only 10 posts are of quality while I stated clearly that post qualities were subjective, if they weren’t subjective how did you come up with 10 quality threads because I know me or someone would have actually said it’s not upto that number, or was I wrong saying something you perceived wrong might not be in others eyes, or we simply just go with your own opinion.

The first statement shows nothing but a disagreement which you later agreed to yet I don't find it normal to make it look like op is just trying to repeat word even though he is asking a question which has been on ground for years yet for the sole purpose of this thread it seems to me that op is making more valid stands since the posting quality of threads has reduced not in a small quantity but a very good length of quality post has been lost gradually, hence I seem to want to put you in to the understanding that first making the op sound insane before agreeing is abnormal to me.

[Agbamoni]

Only the last statement sounded smart the rest of the words you used are just fully blatantly vague.
Quality of post is subjective which is a general notion in this forum even during the days we had enough quality post undeniably yet subjectivity was an anchor and now that the level of productive post has reduced, this basically shows that some of you do not really understand OPs point of view but only follow same old statements that has left us here in the forum, let's be rational and make step forward by understanding deeply and calling white, white and not black.

You are romanticizing your words for some benefits, too bad you didnt got what you wanted. However, I wont follow you in that direction.
People like you are part of the problem you are complaining about. Reading through most of your comments, you are guilty of what you complain about.
You have been around here for some time, at least you shouldn't be dumb enough to know that many users only consider technical discussion as "quality" while some care more about political discussion, while someabout economics. Most ask questions, some challenge ideas. That diversity is the reason why forums actually work.

Judging from history, with the example you gave. There were low quality post in the past, just like now. If you think that the forum used to be some nonstop brilliance, then you were mistaken. The difference between the past and present is the number of users that has increased. The forum has far more users from 5 to 7 years ago. That doesnt mean thereis less quality, it only means that there is more in everything, including quality post and less quality post. By simple logic, both standard has elevated.

Stop being a hypocrite, raise the standard, elevate the discussions, and other users will join. Too bad even you cannot make the difference.

[adultcrypto]

Welsh gave a very nice explanation of why there seem to be a reduction in post quality, I suggest we read it a second time so we understand that the reduction is normal and expected in a public forum like we have here. There was a time I enjoyed making good posts on Facebook but as time passed, I got bored and hardly even visit Facebook. I have similar experience in reddit, 4chan and many other platforms. What I want to add which someone pointed out earlier is that most of the topics are being created by newbies and low-ranking members, we don't expect high quality topics from them.

Below are my funny take on this because it is becoming boring to read about complains of post quality every now and then:

• Most of the comments here as complains of low-quality posts, so who are those making the low-quality posts if everyone is complaining?
• Rather than complain of low-quality posts, create quality topics to start the quality discussions.

[SamReomo]

Maybe. However, in comparison to our 'competitors' i.e social media. I'd say we're still a lot better for lengthy in depth discussions. I don't think there's anywhere else that offers the same level of depth. So, while it might be declining I still think its better than all the alternatives.

Yes, that's true, when we compare Bitcointalk to other social media platforms then without any doubt we see much better and very high quality posts than what we see on those social media platforms. I know there was a time when we were having even better quality posts but still even this day posts on this forum are much better than those of social media platforms.