Is Thread Quality Falling?

[LoyceV]

I take the Merits earned in the last 120 days and multiply them by the total Merits earned over time, then divide the product by the number of posts written in the forum.

I think this simplifies reality too much, especially for edge cases. For your consideration:

• How does airdropped Merit fit in?
• If a user is inactive for 4 months, his score drops significantly.
• A shitposter's score increases with every post deleted by Mods.

fillippone, LoyceV, was this something that interested you?

I won't use an extension, so I'll pass on this one.

[*Ace*]

I take the Merits earned in the last 120 days and multiply them by the total Merits earned over time, then divide the product by the number of posts written in the forum.

I think this simplifies reality too much, especially for edge cases. For your consideration:

• How does airdropped Merit fit in?
• If a user is inactive for 4 months, his score drops significantly.
• A shitposter's score increases with every post deleted by Mods.

fillippone, LoyceV, was this something that interested you?

I won't use an extension, so I'll pass on this one.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to all the Merit data, so I used what I could find and use, so airdropped Merits will obviously be counted in the total Merits earned.

Yes, unfortunately, if a user is inactive, their score is reset to zero using this formula.
The third point, however, is not entirely accurate. It increases if posts are deleted, but the main factor is determined by the Merits earned in 120 days.

However, I would like to reiterate that this is obviously a trial. Perhaps something similar could be implemented directly in the forum without the need for extensions or scripts.

[LoyceV]

Unfortunately, I don't have access to all the Merit data, so I used what I could find and use, so airdropped Merits will obviously be counted in the total Merits earned.

BPIP has this data, so all you'd need is a one-time list.

The third point, however, is not entirely accurate. It increases if posts are deleted, but the main factor is determined by the Merits earned in 120 days.

Good point.

However, I would like to reiterate that this is obviously a trial. Perhaps something similar could be implemented directly in the forum without the need for extensions or scripts.

From the forum's point of view, I think Merit *is* the indicator of post quality.

[fillippone]

fillippone, LoyceV, was this something that interested you? Obviously, this is a test! And if it works, I'll share it with everyone.

My idea was something like:

Code:

Score=merit120/post120-merit/post

An indicator trying to determine the strength of the momentum of the “good post” like the MACD in technical analysis.

[LoyceV]

My idea was something like:

Code:

Score=merit120/post120-merit/post

I can probably create a daily updated post count for each userID for this, but there are still flaws: satoshi for instance would divide by zero, and merit/post can be very low for users who had most of their posts before the Merit system was created.

[*Ace*]

My idea was something like:

Code:

Score=merit120/post120-merit/post

I can probably create a daily updated post count for each userID for this, but there are still flaws: satoshi for instance would divide by zero, and merit/post can be very low for users who had most of their posts before the Merit system was created.

You could use these elements
Post
Post_120d
Merit
Merit_120d
Profile age
Create a logarithmic formula where inactivity is not penalised.

I don't know, could this be a feasible idea?

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out]

Thanks for your insightful comments about me and I will do my best from now on. New year resolution now to be unignored by you 

LoyceV is likely not an easy guy to satisfy, so you might want to set your sights a wee bit lower.

Over the years, what I have tended to do is to post in topics that are of interest to me, and of course, I find bitcoin to be an ongoingly fascinating topic, yet surely if guys are having to "fake it to make it" then yeah, it becomes more difficult to write in a way that might attempt to combine your ideas and/or your experiences in a way that attempts to interact with topics being discussed in the thread that you are posting.

There surely are some guys who post about their desires to get rich quick or to trade or to post in shitcoin threads and/or gambling threads, and even though I try NOT to frequent those kinds of threads, there could be ways to even make those kinds of posts interesting enough to other members in order to inspire such other members to send you an smerit.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Is it that there's nothing interesting happening anymore or I'm the one that needs to stop taking coffee. .if not the above what could be the problem? Leaning towards the former though.

You have to understand that as time goes, quality of discussion around bitcoin must reduce especially when we don't want to recycle what has been discussed previously on whatever board involved..

Take this upon yourself for example, you know there aren't any special group of persons or users saddled with the responsibility of creating new threads on the bitcoin discussion board right? Now you yourself think of something to create as a new thread on bitcoin on this forum that's not already discussed before, I believe this will make you understand better..

Users who make threads on the bitcoin discussion board are only being careful not to create topics that's already been discussed on that board before, and also ensure they keep everything centered on bitcoin still to avoid getting their thread moved to another board.

I am not trying to defend the possible low or average post qualify on the bitcoin discussion board, but I am just trying to see things from a different perspective.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

You have to understand that as time goes, quality of discussion around bitcoin must reduce especially when we don't want to recycle what has been discussed previously on whatever board involved..

Assume I created a topic to discuss about one thing of Bitcoin several months ago, and today I create a new topic to discuss about it again, it's possible not quality. Mostly it is not quality discussion but there is still chance of something new for discussing about a same topic as the Bitcoin blockchain, development, adoption and legality change with time.

It's still quality if it is a new topic created by a real newbie to discuss about a not new topic, as we as more experienced Bitcoin users and forum members should help that newbie. It is with a condition that newbie is a real newbie, but if it is not a real newbie, the discussion is no longer quality.

It depends on discussion situation, who creates it and some other things related to changes of Bitcoin.

[Abelly]

Yet another quality post query, can I still say that quality post is subjective, personally I think it still depends on you but generally you are right there have been nothing interesting actually happening around bitcoin to actually call for quality post.

im still a newbie so maybe that’s why i am not yet immune to the posts at bitcoin discussion board   but if i would want to read about more complex or interesting topics i would find it on the technical boards

Since you are new, it is natural that the posts on the Bitcoin Discussion board are still more interesting. This board usually discusses market conditions, opinions and recent issues. If you want to understand Bitcoin, you definitely need to spend time on the technical sections, especially protocol updates, node operations, privacy mechanisms, scaling solution layer concepts, etc., which are discussed in detail on the technical board itself. If you participate there, you will not only read, but also have the opportunity to ask questions and learn from many experienced members. One builds an overall idea, the other strengthens the foundation. The best strategy is to gradually join the technical discussion as a newbie.

[Satofan44]

You have to understand that as time goes, quality of discussion around bitcoin must reduce especially when we don't want to recycle what has been discussed previously on whatever board involved..

That is a false conclusion based on disconnected premises. It "must" reduce is not true. Actually, assuming that most posters are higher ranking users then the exact opposite should happen. Were people here for the reasons that they should be, to improve their Bitcoin knowledge as they claim, the quality of discussion should be steadily increasing -- definitely not decreasing. We see the exact opposite. This is primarily because most of these posters do not care about Bitcoin or Bitcoin related knowledge, they care about writing their shitpost. Let's not pretend it is otherwise and provide excuses, especially not ones that have categorically incorrect conclusions.

Take this upon yourself for example, you know there aren't any special group of persons or users saddled with the responsibility of creating new threads on the bitcoin discussion board right? Now you yourself think of something to create as a new thread on bitcoin on this forum that's not already discussed before, I believe this will make you understand better.

Users who make threads on the bitcoin discussion board are only being careful not to create topics that's already been discussed on that board before, and also ensure they keep everything centered on bitcoin still to avoid getting their thread moved to another board.

Why aren't the threads that are started by d5000 repetitive or low quality if your claims are true? I would strongly contest the claim that more than 5% users care at all whether a topic was created before or not, they are creating the most generic and rehashed topics all the time. Do I need to bring the list of the currently most popular topics from that section again?

I am not trying to defend the possible low or average post qualify on the bitcoin discussion board, but I am just trying to see things from a different perspective.

The perspective is incorrect.

[Faisal2202]

LoyceV is likely not an easy guy to satisfy, so you might want to set your sights a wee bit lower.

Over the years, what I have tended to do is to post in topics that are of interest to me, and of course, I find bitcoin to be an ongoingly fascinating topic, yet surely if guys are having to "fake it to make it" then yeah, it becomes more difficult to write in a way that might attempt to combine your ideas and/or your experiences in a way that attempts to interact with topics being discussed in the thread that you are posting.

There surely are some guys who post about their desires to get rich quick or to trade or to post in shitcoin threads and/or gambling threads, and even though I try NOT to frequent those kinds of threads, there could be ways to even make those kinds of posts interesting enough to other members in order to inspire such other members to send you an smerit.

Thanks for your response JJG, I was waiting for someone to guide me on this matter, like how can I be unignored by him? I know he ignored me and my posts won't be visible to him at all so anything I post will be of no use.

I also tend to do the same. In the start, I was only posting in threads I understand, and that were interesting too, and threads in which I can post something good and helpful, or if I have a question. But I thought a lot about where I did wrong and in which timeline he could have ignored me, like if the timeline were somehow known, then maybe I could remember what I did wrong. Anyway, your concern made me think again and I did made some posts back in the day that was not relevant to the topic because OP was talking about one thing and I was about talking another, but that was only one or two times, and I still remember those posts because everyone bashed me haha, I knew it was my mistake so I apologized to everyone and edited my post. But it was really one or two time so that can't be it.

Because making such mistakes one or two times can be forgivable. So maybe I said something in a post that he read, and he thought I know nothing, or that, as you said, maybe I gave him the impression that I am pretending or faking, well, I have always been honest and accept my mistakes because where I am wrong, I am wrong, there is no point in faking anything. I have learned one thing that if you want to grow and learn, ask any kind of question that comes to your mind, so I did the same before ChatGPT's arrival, so maybe I asked or said something that I should'nt have asked.

There are always some ways to make the post more interesting to get merit but I am not focusing on earning merit but to post not whatever comes to my mind, but trying to be helpful, informative and at least agree with them like you said trying to make it interesting. Well thanks again for the reponse, I hope I will end up with a way to be unignored by him as you said it can be hard but not impossible. So I will give it a try.

[uchegod-21]

Yeah I know understand how we say quality is subjective but there's some level of objectivity
I realized since last month or some weeks
The threads relative quality has fallen
Especially in the Bitcoin Discussion board (don't frequent beginners and help that much anymore)


Is it that there's nothing interesting happening anymore or I'm the one that needs to stop taking coffee. .if not the above what could be the problem? Leaning towards the former though. .

It's been 17 years now since Bitcoin was created. Apart from the already existing knowledge during it's creation, no much new information has been added. What we see now are more of political and economic news linked to Bitcoin.

Over the years, people have been discussing Bitcoin in the forum, even till date. Learning those information then was exciting and interesting and is because Bitcoin felt like a mystery. But reading that same information now feels boring because of the repetitive knowledge being discussed over and over again.

The discussions on the Bitcoin Discussion board are not really of low value as some may claim, they are just repetitive and no longer exciting to read.

[Satofan44]

It's been 17 years now since Bitcoin was created. Apart from the already existing knowledge during it's creation, no much new information has been added.

What are you even talking about? Most of the developments, implementations of technological solutions and threats were things that didn't even exist as concepts back then. There is a lot more knowledge than ever before. Most users would be unable to even just understand how LN really works, let alone anything else.

What we see now are more of political and economic news linked to Bitcoin.

This is most often the most generic kind of content as you can say whatever you want and theymos will consider it substantial enough as long as it is on topic, even if it is entirely wrong or outright stupid.

Over the years, people have been discussing Bitcoin in the forum, even till date. Learning those information then was exciting and interesting and is because Bitcoin felt like a mystery. But reading that same information now feels boring because of the repetitive knowledge being discussed over and over again.

Good attempt, except that it is entirely incorrect. Not even 1% of the users here know what Bitcoin is, not even on a basic level. Therefore to claim that this kind of knowledge is repetitive, knowledge that one does not have, is ridiculous. Being able to repeat some key words does not mean that a user understands anything. I can also teach my parrot to repeat words such as decentralized and open source, it means nothing since it does not even understand the real meaning behind those words let alone any implications -- exactly like most users here. The fact of the matter is, the supermajority of the current users are only here to shitpost and farm money -- that is it. The situation was only entirely different in the earliest days of Bitcoin here. I can't say much for sure in the years since, but some users claim that there was a time when it was even worse than now.

[philipma1957]

I take the Merits earned in the last 120 days and multiply them by the total Merits earned over time, then divide the product by the number of posts written in the forum.

I think this simplifies reality too much, especially for edge cases. For your consideration:

• How does airdropped Merit fit in?
• If a user is inactive for 4 months, his score drops significantly.
• A shitposter's score increases with every post deleted by Mods.

fillippone, LoyceV, was this something that interested you?

I won't use an extension, so I'll pass on this one.

And just delete your posts that do not get merits.

Ie make 300 posts in a month go back and delete 50 that did not make a merit. pretty much hurts the accuracy of what elite is .

As to quality posts my two best  board for quality died since they were mining btc and mining alts.

I gave thousands of posts on how to build miners silence miners etc.

That shit is pretty much dead for a retail house.

I can make a good post but I lost my favorite subject areas. Makes it hard to do it.

Also BTC is over 17 years old.

bitcointalk is over  15 years old.

I have been here since 2012 more than 13 years and 6 months ago.

so
all exchanges crashes = same old news
all ponzis = same old news.
all politics feels like the same.
all wars seem repetitive

mining is only for a person that has over 100kwatts an hour at 4-5 cents a kwatt and even that means under 714 earned and only about 600 after power.

no home miner in that camp. So for me writing a good thread is harder as my interest was in mining. Not so much using BTC as a Visa card .

[KingsDen]

Is it that there's nothing interesting happening anymore or I'm the one that needs to stop taking coffee. .if not the above what could be the problem? Leaning towards the former though.

You have to understand that as time goes, quality of discussion around bitcoin must reduce especially when we don't want to recycle what has been discussed previously on whatever board involved..

Take this upon yourself for example, you know there aren't any special group of persons or users saddled with the responsibility of creating new threads on the bitcoin discussion board right? Now you yourself think of something to create as a new thread on bitcoin on this forum that's not already discussed before, I believe this will make you understand better..

Users who make threads on the bitcoin discussion board are only being careful not to create topics that's already been discussed on that board before, and also ensure they keep everything centered on bitcoin still to avoid getting their thread moved to another board.

I am not trying to defend the possible low or average post qualify on the bitcoin discussion board, but I am just trying to see things from a different perspective.

@Fivestar4everMVP, I gave a deep thought to your post, but now I don't know if to agree or disagree, or rather I should look for a balance.

When I was new in the forum, like 3 - 4 years ago, discussions on the bitcoin discussion board were great, quality and very informative. Most times, I would not be able to join the conversations due to the technical depth of the discussions. But within a few years, things fell apart. What used to look like a great board became a home for generic questions and discussions.

However, I was unsure of the problem; if the quality actually did reduce, or as I aged in the forum, I have learnt some basic things of bitcoin. So, those things that appeared like quality to me then, are just ordinary now.

[Ambatman]

no much new information has been added. What we see now are more of political and economic news linked to Bitcoin.

Well OP Return debate
BIP 110
Scalabilty options are growing like Ark
Etc
Even some supposed old news grow like fine wine because they are a core in Bitcoin.

The discussions on the Bitcoin Discussion board are not really of low value as some may claim, they are just repetitive and no longer exciting to read.

Well I don't know about others but I recently came across the fact that
One can use SIGHAS_HALL/ ANYONECANPAY and other variants on Sparrow
Thought it was only used on Wasabi.


What do I mean by the above, there are things that may be common to others but new to me
And one knowing something doesn't make the post low quality
Most times low quality are tied to post that are generic like
What will happen to Bitcoin if Trump turns black

[Zoomic]

What will happen to Bitcoin if Trump turns black

Another actor will definitely surface

The face of 2021 bull run was Elon Musk. We believed him and he tricked us all.

2025 bull run was Trump. So, expect another actor if Trump disappears.

[Satofan44]

so
all exchanges crashes = same old news
all ponzis = same old news.

Unless it is a systematic level risk, it is relevant as what some Kardashian ate for breakfast this year. Random company that did something related to Bitcoin or crypto went bust, it should not even be posted at all.

Most times low quality are tied to post that are generic like
What will happen to Bitcoin if Trump turns black

Exactly. Let's take a look at the first page at the time of writing this post. I've included only some in the order that they appeared.

• Quitting or continuing with your job if bitcoin investment makes you rich?
• Who can destroy Bitcoin?
• The Bitcoin Ecosystem will be hurt much more by Tether's collapse than FTX.
• Volatility IS a bug, not a feature
• Risk of holding bitcoin forever
• This article mentions the bitcoin is useless and this cannot be fixed by Trump
• Gold vs. Bitcoin: Why Billionaire Ray Dalio Says “There Is Only One Gold”
• Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?
• Future safety of bitcoin tax report and clearance
• Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
• Mempool Observer
• Connecting wallets to KYC platforms breaks pseudonymous characters
• Does Bitcoin Treasury companies manipulate the price of Bitcoin?
• What would Satoshi say about BIP110?

I highlighted one thread that isn't generic junk. I've responded in some threads like "Who can destroy Bitcoin?" and based off of the title you would think that it is a good topic, yet it is filled with mostly generic junk posts that are completely incorrect. At times you can't just tell from the thread title, because it could be an interesting topic to be discussed. However, once you read the first post and most of the replies you will see that it is junk. 115 pages of Who is Satoshi Nakamoto. The puzzle and the mempool observer threads are the only outliers but they too have many junk posts.

It varies a lot between the days, but in most cases you will not find more than a couple of threads that have any real content inside it. The volatility thread made things very obvious, it isn't even a complex thread -- yet most people were responding with generic comments about volatility and completely missed the question that was posed in the first post.

[Zoomic]

@Satofan44, check this - To what extent can an open forum guarantee High Post Quality?, if it can appease you a bit

• Volatility IS a bug, not a feature

What a nice hook, searching for it asap.