Investment Become Gambling

[Iroh]

The longterm investment are for the bigger whales. There's something we should be know before investing. Know the risks involved and rounding our head for the bigger risks. To become a risky investor,  there are extreme lines one ought to crossed because the market itself is never a friendly one.

A typical investment doesn't start giving returns in a day. It could take months to years before your investment starts yielding fruits. Saying long term investments are for the bigger whales is plain wrong. The middle income/average earner could and do have long term investments. You could say the difference between whales and average folks on investments, is the amount of money invested and perhaps the ability to comfortably absorb the risk in a worse case scenario. Obviously, you ought to have done your research and be well aware of the risks involved in the investment you're interested in.
You mustn't be a whale or have loads of money before you decide to invest your money in a long term investment.

[Sunshine1525]

A typical investment doesn't start giving returns in a day. It could take months to years before your investment starts yielding fruits. Saying long term investments are for the bigger whales is plain wrong. The middle income/average earner could and do have long term investments. You could say the difference between whales and average folks on investments, is the amount of money invested and perhaps the ability to comfortably absorb the risk in a worse case scenario. Obviously, you ought to have done your research and be well aware of the risks involved in the investment you're interested in.
You mustn't be a whale or have loads of money before you decide to invest your money in a long term investment.

For Bitcoin investment you'll have to focus on years, holding for very long cause it's only traders that expect returns in months. It's not like trading doesn’t give return but the risk is high and not worth involving with Bitcoin, it's more safer to buy and hold then try to be consistent to help manage risk.

We all can't be on the same level financial that's why our discretionary funds varies, while some can invest heavily, some are still blessed with the opportunity to start gradually and be consistent, that's the uniqueness of Bitcoin investment, everyone no matter your class can still partake in it and get good returns if they can be patient for long.

[yixichloro2xx]

A typical investment doesn't start giving returns in a day. It could take months to years before your investment starts yielding fruits. Saying long term investments are for the bigger whales is plain wrong. The middle income/average earner could and do have long term investments. You could say the difference between whales and average folks on investments, is the amount of money invested and perhaps the ability to comfortably absorb the risk in a worse case scenario. Obviously, you ought to have done your research and be well aware of the risks involved in the investment you're interested in.
You mustn't be a whale or have loads of money before you decide to invest your money in a long term investment.

For Bitcoin investment you'll have to focus on years, holding for very long cause it's only traders that expect returns in months. It's not like trading doesn’t give return but the risk is high and not worth involving with Bitcoin, it's more safer to buy and hold then try to be consistent to help manage risk.

We all can't be on the same level financial that's why our discretionary funds varies, while some can invest heavily, some are still blessed with the opportunity to start gradually and be consistent, that's the uniqueness of Bitcoin investment, everyone no matter your class can still partake in it and get good returns if they can be patient for long.

Another thing that should be at the back of our mind is that long term investing requires strong conviction. When people invest in Bitcoin without learning alongside it, there will surely be a moment where they lose confidence easily especially when the market becomes quiet or negative. When you know the history, value of Bitcoin in the ecosystem and your investments are done properly, then there's no need for you to panic. Having knowledge about what you invest in, makes you believe in its long term structure. As an investor you don't need to wait till you learn before investing, it can be done while you are already buying Bitcoin.

[ZeroVinsonN]

Even when I warned him about such behavior, he  misunderstand me that maybe I did not want to let him make a profit.
However, at one point, after significant financial loss, he realized his mistake. The problem was in his behavior.  He had the ability to continue investing well in the long term and even though he started investing with this intention, due to his inability to control his behavior, the investment turned into a gamble. 

When you get to witness loss firsthand, it quickly makes you realize how patience in your long term holding is your best option on the long run. When you make some little profits it might make You think a quick dash in and dash out is the only way around, but it is all a mirage, especially if you do not have subsequent experiences. Sometimes pain is the best teacher. I believe he will still get back up, but he will definitely re-strategize.

If that guy wants to eventually get something out of his investment long term he needs to learn from his mistakes, it's all pointless if he is just going to continue repeating the same cycle of telling himself he is going to invest long term and then selling the moment he sees a bit of profit, he might claim that he wants to invest long term but as long as he mind is still set on quick profit he still will not be able to stop himself from selling too early again next time, maybe he should take some time away from investing in bitcoin and instead work on his self control and discipline, until he has achieved proper self control it's pointless to keep trying.
Bitcoin investment is not for the faint of heart, if you can't control your impulse to sell you won't succeed as an investor.

[Cgrexp]

A typical investment doesn't start giving returns in a day. It could take months to years before your investment starts yielding fruits. Saying long term investments are for the bigger whales is plain wrong. The middle income/average earner could and do have long term investments. You could say the difference between whales and average folks on investments, is the amount of money invested and perhaps the ability to comfortably absorb the risk in a worse case scenario. Obviously, you ought to have done your research and be well aware of the risks involved in the investment you're interested in.
You mustn't be a whale or have loads of money before you decide to invest your money in a long term investment.

For Bitcoin investment you'll have to focus on years, holding for very long cause it's only traders that expect returns in months. It's not like trading doesn’t give return but the risk is high and not worth involving with Bitcoin, it's more safer to buy and hold then try to be consistent to help manage risk.
We all can't be on the same level financial that's why our discretionary funds varies, while some can invest heavily, some are still blessed with the opportunity to start gradually and be consistent, that's the uniqueness of Bitcoin investment, everyone no matter your class can still partake in it and get good returns if they can be patient for long.

It is effective to hold on to Bitcoin investment without focusing on short-term gains. In a volatile market like Bitcoin, when someone makes a one-time investment with the expectation of profit within a few months, it mainly depends on the probability because a big fall can also occur during that period. None of us can say for sure. Therefore, trading or one-time investment is basically risky, compared to which it is safer to keep a long-term goal by investing regularly with small amounts of money. This reduces the impact of market fluctuations and helps in controlling the risk to some extent. Therefore, when someone invests according to their financial capacity and has the mentality of losing that money, they can understand the risk and make realistic decisions with patience and planning.

[UpTober]

None of us can tell anyone else about how confident that they should feel about bitcoin, yet at the same time it seems to me that an overwhelming majority of normal people would prefer not to lose money, and when they invest into bitcoin, they make such investment with an expectation that in the future they will be better off for having had invested into bitcoin as compared with a set of circumstances in which they had chosen not to invest into bitcoin.  So, in that sense, it is likely that even if we might be putting a relatively small amount of our income into bitcoin, the fact that we are putting money in bitcoin is likely to inspire us  to continue to learn about bitcoin and also to attempt to learn about how to manage our own cashflow circumstances so that we will continue to have ongoing abilities to continue to buy bitcoin for however long it takes us to accumulate a decent sizedstash.

Here you have raised a realistic issue because none of us can actually tell someone else's position or how confident someone is about their investment because everyone's investment strategy is different, everyone's income is different or everyone's investment mentality and experience is different. Yes, it may apply to everyone that after investing, everyone wants to not lose their money or to make some profit even after waiting. That is, an investor must be in a different position after investing in Bitcoin, that is, he has the expectation of achieving something good. No matter how much money an investor invests continuously with the minimum amount of money after his best efforts, then he has a different interest in this investment and he wants to know more about the investment. In this case, it can be seen that he is not only aware of his investment but also thinks about how he will save his money and how he will meet all his needs with low expenses.
I have also found evidence in my own case that if a person plans to invest, he does not actually have an income fact, that is, he can plan and invest from any amount of income.

[Iroh]

Another thing that should be at the back of our mind is that long term investing requires strong conviction. When people invest in Bitcoin without learning alongside it, there will surely be a moment where they lose confidence easily especially when the market becomes quiet or negative. When you know the history, value of Bitcoin in the ecosystem and your investments are done properly, then there's no need for you to panic. Having knowledge about what you invest in, makes you believe in its long term structure. As an investor you don't need to wait till you learn before investing, it can be done while you are already buying Bitcoin.

Yes. You would need to actually make up your mind and decide if you want to put your money into an investment opportunity and for a set duration. I myself would try and arm myself with enough information as i can get about and have at least, an average knowledge about something before Invest in it. So learning alongside investing is not really ideal for me.
It's easy to get jittery when investing in bitcoin cause of its volatile nature. But then, look at how far it has come and done over the years. It has overcome naysayers and today, more people than ever are aware and using it. The potential for even more growth is there only if one can manage to hold onto theirs for the long haul.

[Joeboy]

Yes. You would need to actually make up your mind and decide if you want to put your money into an investment opportunity and for a set duration. I myself would try and arm myself with enough information as i can get about and have at least, an average knowledge about something before Invest in it. So learning alongside investing is not really ideal for me.
It's easy to get jittery when investing in bitcoin cause of its volatile nature. But then, look at how far it has come and done over the years. It has overcome naysayers and today, more people than ever are aware and using it. The potential for even more growth is there only if one can manage to hold onto theirs for the long haul.

You may have been in this forum far longer than I have, but still I doubt if you really understand how Bitcoin works... Sure you are at liberty to do whatever you feels it's best for your investment, but yet understand that you really cannot understand Bitcoin by just reading about it, you understand better and effectively by getting involved(experience)... And the involvement of folks can come from them starting out small with basic knowledge and then learning more as you go on.. Folks who kickstart their investment with small amount while having to learn as they go will be more privileged than those folks who wait until they have armed themselves with enough informations before getting started...And this privileges comes from the fact that those folks who started and learnt as they go will tend to have a better and faster portfolio as well as understanding Bitcoin more due to experience that is gathered by getting involved..

[JayJuanGee]

Yes. You would need to actually make up your mind and decide if you want to put your money into an investment opportunity and for a set duration. I myself would try and arm myself with enough information as i can get about and have at least, an average knowledge about something before Invest in it. So learning alongside investing is not really ideal for me.
It's easy to get jittery when investing in bitcoin cause of its volatile nature. But then, look at how far it has come and done over the years. It has overcome naysayers and today, more people than ever are aware and using it. The potential for even more growth is there only if one can manage to hold onto theirs for the long haul.

You may have been in this forum far longer than I have, but still I doubt if you really understand how Bitcoin works... Sure you are at liberty to do whatever you feels it's best for your investment, but yet understand that you really cannot understand Bitcoin by just reading about it, you understand better and effectively by getting involved(experience)... And the involvement of folks can come from them starting out small with basic knowledge and then learning more as you go on.. Folks who kickstart their investment with small amount while having to learn as they go will be more privileged than those folks who wait until they have armed themselves with enough informations before getting started...And this privileges comes from the fact that those folks who started and learnt as they go will tend to have a better and faster portfolio as well as understanding Bitcoin more due to experience that is gathered by getting involved..

I was going to say a similar thing to Iroh, and he has been registered on the forum since May 2022, yet perhaps he has been thinking about bitcoin for the whole time that he has been registered here, yet he has been and continues to be failing/refusing to get the fuck started..  

So then, nearly 4 years and has he started to buy bitcoin yet?  if not?  when is he going to start?  He does not seem to be in a good place to be giving advice, if he has not yet started investing into bitcoin.

If Iroh had started investing $100 per week into bitcoin starting in May 2022 until now, then he would have nearly 4 years investing into bitcoin, and he would have had invested right around $20k into bitcoin, and he would have had accumulated right around 0.5 BTC, which would be a really great place to be right now based on $20k invested over a little less than 4 years.

I think that a lot of normal people would like to be in a place as to have had gotten themselves of holding 0.5 BTC for some thing like $20k invested over a little less than 4 years..

[Sulegzy39]

You could say that the difference between whales and normal people in terms of investments is the quantity of money invested and potentially the ability to easily tolerate risk in the worst-case scenario. Obviously, you should have done your research and be well aware of the hazards associated with the investment you are considering. You don't have to be a whale or have a lot of money to make a long-term investment. It is primarily determined by probability, as a significant drop may occur throughout that time span.


None of us can say for certain. As a result, trading or one-time investments are often dangerous, whereas it is safer to pursue a long-term goal by investing frequently with small sums of money. This mitigates the impact of market swings and aids in risk management to some extent. As a result, when someone invests within their financial means and accepts the possibility of losing money, they may recognize the risk and make realistic judgments with patience and planning.

[Grace333]

None of us can tell anyone else about how confident that they should feel about bitcoin, yet at the same time it seems to me that an overwhelming majority of normal people would prefer not to lose money, and when they invest into bitcoin, they make such investment with an expectation that in the future they will be better off for having had invested into bitcoin as compared with a set of circumstances in which they had chosen not to invest into bitcoin.  So, in that sense, it is likely that even if we might be putting a relatively small amount of our income into bitcoin, the fact that we are putting money in bitcoin is likely to inspire us  to continue to learn about bitcoin and also to attempt to learn about how to manage our own cashflow circumstances so that we will continue to have ongoing abilities to continue to buy bitcoin for however long it takes us to accumulate a decent sizedstash.

Here you have raised a realistic issue because none of us can actually tell someone else's position or how confident someone is about their investment because everyone's investment strategy is different, everyone's income is different or everyone's investment mentality and experience is different. Yes, it may apply to everyone that after investing, everyone wants to not lose their money or to make some profit even after waiting. That is, an investor must be in a different position after investing in Bitcoin, that is, he has the expectation of achieving something good. No matter how much money an investor invests continuously with the minimum amount of money after his best efforts, then he has a different interest in this investment and he wants to know more about the investment. In this case, it can be seen that he is not only aware of his investment but also thinks about how he will save his money and how he will meet all his needs with low expenses.
I have also found evidence in my own case that if a person plans to invest, he does not actually have an income fact, that is, he can plan and invest from any amount of income.

As an investor aiming a long-term investment, you cannot just invest from any amount of your income. Your investment must come from your discretionary fund after which you must have taken care of your basic needs which will serve till your next pay day, this way you won't be going back and forth your investment journey. Irrespective of how small your discretionary fund is, that should be the only place your investment should come from and if you're not comfortable with the amount you're investing with then it's best to either cut your expenses or get an additional source of income that'll add up.
Key fact to note is that  we don't need to invest beyond our financial capabilities.

[Bluebird1357]

None of us can tell anyone else about how confident that they should feel about bitcoin, yet at the same time it seems to me that an overwhelming majority of normal people would prefer not to lose money, and when they invest into bitcoin, they make such investment with an expectation that in the future they will be better off for having had invested into bitcoin as compared with a set of circumstances in which they had chosen not to invest into bitcoin.  So, in that sense, it is likely that even if we might be putting a relatively small amount of our income into bitcoin, the fact that we are putting money in bitcoin is likely to inspire us  to continue to learn about bitcoin and also to attempt to learn about how to manage our own cashflow circumstances so that we will continue to have ongoing abilities to continue to buy bitcoin for however long it takes us to accumulate a decent sizedstash.

Here you have raised a realistic issue because none of us can actually tell someone else's position or how confident someone is about their investment because everyone's investment strategy is different, everyone's income is different or everyone's investment mentality and experience is different. Yes, it may apply to everyone that after investing, everyone wants to not lose their money or to make some profit even after waiting. That is, an investor must be in a different position after investing in Bitcoin, that is, he has the expectation of achieving something good. No matter how much money an investor invests continuously with the minimum amount of money after his best efforts, then he has a different interest in this investment and he wants to know more about the investment. In this case, it can be seen that he is not only aware of his investment but also thinks about how he will save his money and how he will meet all his needs with low expenses.
I have also found evidence in my own case that if a person plans to invest, he does not actually have an income fact, that is, he can plan and invest from any amount of income.

As an investor aiming a long-term investment, you cannot just invest from any amount of your income. Your investment must come from your discretionary fund after which you must have taken care of your basic needs which will serve till your next pay day, this way you won't be going back and forth your investment journey. Irrespective of how small your discretionary fund is, that should be the only place your investment should come from and if you're not comfortable with the amount you're investing with then it's best to either cut your expenses or get an additional source of income that'll add up.
Key fact to note is that  we don't need to invest beyond our financial capabilities.

Yes, you should not invest from all your income, you should invest in Bitcoin only from the extra money. However, for those who increase their income and then think about investing, it is possible to invest according to plan even with a small income. Many times, too much thinking and planning demotivates or creates obstacles in investing. So, whether with a little or according to your ability, it is important to start because when people invest in Bitcoin, they start learning and want to accumulate gradually, which is called the DCA strategy and these small investments turn into very large assets in the long run.

[TokenTikas]

Sure.  One thing is starting the bitcoin investment out, whether that is $100 or $10 or some other amount, and then another thing is being able to continue to add to the investment.

No matter how small or big the investment amount is, that is not really the main issue. The most important thing is being able to maintain DCA and invest regularly. Many people say it is something easy to do, but to me it feels quite difficult to maintain DCA if a person does not have enough income. Because of that, even if someone sets aside a small amount for investment, it is important to make sure that the amount is something they can continue to invest regularly without stopping.

We are not guaranteed to profit, yet we likely will be advantaged by both organizing our finances and putting time, energy and value into bitcoin.

Yes, there is no guarantee of profit but it is very rare to see someone who maintained DCA while investing in bitcoin and still did not make any profit from it. Investors in bitcoin can surely gain profit if they keep their investment going in the right way without stopping. Most people usually invest in bitcoin with the hope that they will make profit from it. Investing in bitcoin also tests a person’s patience and even when the market condition is not good, people still hold on to their confidence with patience and that is one of the reasons why many investors eventually make profit from bitcoin.

[JayJuanGee]

Sure.  One thing is starting the bitcoin investment out, whether that is $100 or $10 or some other amount, and then another thing is being able to continue to add to the investment.

No matter how small or big the investment amount is, that is not really the main issue. The most important thing is being able to maintain DCA and invest regularly. Many people say it is something easy to do, but to me it feels quite difficult to maintain DCA if a person does not have enough income. Because of that, even if someone sets aside a small amount for investment, it is important to make sure that the amount is something they can continue to invest regularly without stopping.

We are not guaranteed to profit, yet we likely will be advantaged by both organizing our finances and putting time, energy and value into bitcoin.

Yes, there is no guarantee of profit but it is very rare to see someone who maintained DCA while investing in bitcoin and still did not make any profit from it. Investors in bitcoin can surely gain profit if they keep their investment going in the right way without stopping. Most people usually invest in bitcoin with the hope that they will make profit from it. Investing in bitcoin also tests a person’s patience and even when the market condition is not good, people still hold on to their confidence with patience and that is one of the reasons why many investors eventually make profit from bitcoin.

We can look back historically, and we can see that level of aggressiveness had tended to make a difference, so if we have two guys who were in their early 30s at the beginning of 2016, and each of them had an income of $30k per year (which would be $2,500 per month) and their expenses were $1,500 per month... so they each had $1k of discretionary income per month.  There can be differences if one chooses to invest aggressively at $100 per week (which would be 17.33% of his income) and the other chooses to invest whimpily at $10 per week (which would be 1.733% of his income)

Right now,. there would be a 10x difference between them.. Since the first aggressive one would have had invested $53k, and he would have had accumulated 15.3 BTC in his holdings and the second whimpy one would have had invested $5.3k and he would have had accumulated 1.53 BTC in his holdings.

The first one would have the option to go into fuck you status andthe second one would be a long way from fuck you status.  They were equal and they made choices in regards to the level of their aggressiveness in their investment into bitcoin..

Which one would you rather be?  Do you see the difference and why it matters, especially over 10-ish years?

[IjawMan]

Yes. You would need to actually make up your mind and decide if you want to put your money into an investment opportunity and for a set duration. I myself would try and arm myself with enough information as i can get about and have at least, an average knowledge about something before Invest in it. So learning alongside investing is not really ideal for me.
It's easy to get jittery when investing in bitcoin cause of its volatile nature. But then, look at how far it has come and done over the years. It has overcome naysayers and today, more people than ever are aware and using it. The potential for even more growth is there only if one can manage to hold onto theirs for the long haul.

You may have been in this forum far longer than I have, but still I doubt if you really understand how Bitcoin works... Sure you are at liberty to do whatever you feels it's best for your investment, but yet understand that you really cannot understand Bitcoin by just reading about it, you understand better and effectively by getting involved(experience)... And the involvement of folks can come from them starting out small with basic knowledge and then learning more as you go on.. Folks who kickstart their investment with small amount while having to learn as they go will be more privileged than those folks who wait until they have armed themselves with enough informations before getting started...And this privileges comes from the fact that those folks who started and learnt as they go will tend to have a better and faster portfolio as well as understanding Bitcoin more due to experience that is gathered by getting involved..

I was going to say a similar thing to Iroh, and he has been registered on the forum since May 2022, yet perhaps he has been thinking about bitcoin for the whole time that he has been registered here, yet he has been and continues to be failing/refusing to get the fuck started..  

So then, nearly 4 years and has he started to buy bitcoin yet?  if not?  when is he going to start?  He does not seem to be in a good place to be giving advice, if he has not yet started investing into bitcoin.

If Iroh had started investing $100 per week into bitcoin starting in May 2022 until now, then he would have nearly 4 years investing into bitcoin, and he would have had invested right around $20k into bitcoin, and he would have had accumulated right around 0.5 BTC, which would be a really great place to be right now based on $20k invested over a little less than 4 years.

I think that a lot of normal people would like to be in a place as to have had gotten themselves of holding 0.5 BTC for some thing like $20k invested over a little less than 4 years..

Some out there are like this after hearing about bitcoin for years they still have not get them self started with the lest sats by weekly or either monthly buys in regular set up plan.

They are still waiting to buy but the real deal is that you do not wait to buy bitcoin but you instead buy and wait by holding your BTC for a long duration of appreciable years. Can be 6 to 10 years of investment holding towards it maturity .

[Gost ms]

A typical investment doesn't start giving returns in a day. It could take months to years before your investment starts yielding fruits. Saying long term investments are for the bigger whales is plain wrong. The middle income/average earner could and do have long term investments. You could say the difference between whales and average folks on investments, is the amount of money invested and perhaps the ability to comfortably absorb the risk in a worse case scenario. Obviously, you ought to have done your research and be well aware of the risks involved in the investment you're interested in.
You mustn't be a whale or have loads of money before you decide to invest your money in a long term investment.

For Bitcoin investment you'll have to focus on years, holding for very long cause it's only traders that expect returns in months. It's not like trading doesn’t give return but the risk is high and not worth involving with Bitcoin, it's more safer to buy and hold then try to be consistent to help manage risk.

We all can't be on the same level financial that's why our discretionary funds varies, while some can invest heavily, some are still blessed with the opportunity to start gradually and be consistent, that's the uniqueness of Bitcoin investment, everyone no matter your class can still partake in it and get good returns if they can be patient for long.

Another thing that should be at the back of our mind is that long term investing requires strong conviction. When people invest in Bitcoin without learning alongside it, there will surely be a moment where they lose confidence easily especially when the market becomes quiet or negative. When you know the history, value of Bitcoin in the ecosystem and your investments are done properly, then there's no need for you to panic. Having knowledge about what you invest in, makes you believe in its long term structure. As an investor you don't need to wait till you learn before investing, it can be done while you are already buying Bitcoin.

We do not need much to invest in Bitcoin. We need to ensure that we have discretionary income and that we have basic knowledge about Bitcoin. If a person has these things in them, then he can start investing. If he has these things in him and waits to invest and gain more knowledge, then he is wasting his time on the wrong decision. After starting investment, a person can gain a lot of knowledge. Investment and gaining knowledge can be carried forward in a balanced way. But the one who takes only one thing forward will always be behind.

Gaining knowledge is very good for us. If a person starts investing with general knowledge and after that if he does not gain knowledge then his holding will be in a very risky place. He will not create any kind of fund to deal with unexpected dangers etc. So if a person gains knowledge after investing and continues investing at the same time then it will be very good for him. Because he will understand what measures to take to keep his investment safe.