Can a casino operate with 100% RTP for games from external provider?

[obuoma]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP for games developed by external providers like Hacksaw and Pragmatic Play. For original games, it could be possible to program but how will casino achieve this for games from providers that they don't have control over the algorithm? For those wondering about my use of RTP and house edge interchangeably, RTP is the opposite of house edge. This is how it is calculated:

If RTP = 90% then House Edge = 100-90 =10%.

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

[bitbollo]

This is an interesting question but to answer properly could you provide more details... like what was the game?
I would not get wrong, but I have seen already those kinds of conditions... just because they earn a fixed (small) fee in any bet.
Yes they give you 100% the game basically it's like spin 50-50 the same coin up to 100.
But each time you spin... pay 1% of your bet and so on... (just to make a basic example...)
There are many ways to collect this fee...the game doesn't give you less chance to earn. Important... there are also many many other ways to have 100% RTP and being still profitable

[Kasabus]

It’s possible if they can request the game provider to adjust the RTP. Anything that increases RTP obviously favors gamblers, so people won’t question it.

But I see it more as a short-term move, basically a marketing tool to attract players and keep things entertaining. In reality, it’s not like the casino is “losing” here. Even if it looks like 50-50 or “0 house edge,” the casino still benefits because it brings in more gamblers and increases betting volume.

[yahoo62278]

RTP isn't instant ya know. Just because something is advertised as 100% RTP it doesn't mean that if you put your money in you will always win. RTP is calculated over millions of bets or even billions of bets. Over the course of all those bets the RTP will average 0 to near 0 if the casino offers 100% RTP on their slots. I think people would need to realize that before being stupid and thinking I have to play there because it's a guaranteed win. Some would win, some would lose.

[Darker45]

Is it possible the design could be tweaked here and there according to the specific preferences of casinos? I doubt it, but could it be possible there are game providers that accept clients' requests to personalize or alter the programs of certain games for them? Again, I don't think that's the case. Isn't it odd to find Big Bass Bonanza, for example, having different RTPs in different casinos? Or did I get it right?

This is an interesting question but to answer properly could you provide more details... like what was the game?
I would not get wrong, but I have seen already those kinds of conditions... just because they earn a fixed (small) fee in any bet.
Yes they give you 100% the game basically it's like spin 50-50 the same coin up to 100.
But each time you spin... pay 1% of your bet and so on... (just to make a basic example...)
There are many ways to collect this fee...the game doesn't give you less chance to earn. Important... there are also many many other ways to have 100% RTP and being still profitable

It seems I didn't quite get your explanation. Where would the revenue be coming from if all the deposits from players are fully returned to them as prizes? If there's a fee per bet, then it isn't 100% RTP anymore, right?

[bitbollo]

@Darker45
with RTP they assume that you are accepting to play like with... a "little" disavantage/handicap on your spins .
Every 1000 spins they win 505 and not 495 (0,5% RTP). It seems small number but isn't. Plus if you had variability of the games (including lose streak or martingale) it's more easy to lose and not to win.
If you play "blindly" anythink you choose, you have alway this 0.5% that hit your outcomes.

In my example, if you had 1000 spins they win 500 and you 500 (theory). However for each bet they get a small tip (imagine each 1000 spins you pay... 5)
As you may see the fee pay its the same but chance to win are different.

Anyway this is one of the basics that I can imagine. There are some gambling sites that offered well designed systems to hide extra fees this is why I ask in what game he has seen a 100% RTP....

[cryptoaddictchie]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP for games developed by external providers like Hacksaw and Pragmatic Play. For original games, it could be possible to program but how will casino achieve this for games from providers that they don't have control over the algorithm? For those wondering about my use of RTP and house edge interchangeably, RTP is the opposite of house edge. This is how it is calculated:

If RTP = 90% then House Edge = 100-90 =10%.

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

A true 0% house edge for third party games like Pragmatic or Hacksaw is basically marketing spin, because casinos can’t change the provider’s fixed RTP without the provider and regulator knowing. What they usually mean is a temporary promotion (cashback, rakeback, bonuses) that effectively offsets the house edge for a short time, not that the game itself is 100% RTP. In the long run, the casino still earns through normal house edge, wagering requirements, or other players losing, otherwise the business wouldn’t survive.

[bettercrypto]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP for games developed by external providers like Hacksaw and Pragmatic Play. For original games, it could be possible to program but how will casino achieve this for games from providers that they don't have control over the algorithm? For those wondering about my use of RTP and house edge interchangeably, RTP is the opposite of house edge. This is how it is calculated:

If RTP = 90% then House Edge = 100-90 =10%.

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

I can’t exactly remember which online crypto casino had a 101% RTP, but when I read that, I told myself it seemed like a total scam. As far as I know, that isn't realistic because no casino today would give players an assurance that they will win using their platform.

They established those casinos to make a profit, not to give away money to the users of their gambling platforms. Also, based on what I know, RTP isn't always accurate either, though it’s undoubtedly attractive to other gamblers.

[vanesha]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP for games developed by external providers like Hacksaw and Pragmatic Play. For original games, it could be possible to program but how will casino achieve this for games from providers that they don't have control over the algorithm? For those wondering about my use of RTP and house edge interchangeably, RTP is the opposite of house edge. This is how it is calculated:

If RTP = 90% then House Edge = 100-90 =10%.

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

It is impossible to predict. Do you have a website that guarantees a casino site has 100% RTP? If it truly had such RTP, then no users would ever lose playing there—everyone would only win. I am still suspicious of any casino site that claims they take absolutely no profit while registered users still experience losses. Or is 100% RTP just a label?

[CryptoYar]

We need to know that it is basically impossible that casino should be able to have forever 0% House Edge on games of outside companies such as Pragmatic Play. Reason is that such makers charge casino fee to use their games and therefore in case of casino returning all money to players, it would be making a loss on each spin. Other, casinos use 0% House Edge as trick to get you in door, with hope that you will become customer later on, to play other games that they get gain on, or they make their money by charging you high cash out fee and secret costs. Be very careful of these claims in my view since no business can run without making money. When small casino site claims to give you 0 percent on well known slots, they may be having fakes of games which have been set up. I would suggest that you should always go to official source of game to make sure that it is real.

[obuoma]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP for games developed by external providers like Hacksaw and Pragmatic Play. For original games, it could be possible to program but how will casino achieve this for games from providers that they don't have control over the algorithm? For those wondering about my use of RTP and house edge interchangeably, RTP is the opposite of house edge. This is how it is calculated:

If RTP = 90% then House Edge = 100-90 =10%.

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

It is impossible to predict. Do you have a website that guarantees a casino site has 100% RTP? If it truly had such RTP, then no users would ever lose playing there—everyone would only win. I am still suspicious of any casino site that claims they take absolutely no profit while registered users still experience losses. Or is 100% RTP just a label?

Read through the replies of others above especially that of @bitbollo and @yahoo62278, they gave a different opinion from yours and they gave it convincingly. I was thinking same thing as initially but I know something like that was not going to be possible and that was the reason I made this post. What I also find a little confusing in the responses I have seen is that of casinos requesting providers to adjust the RTP, that area is not clear yet based on the ethical or legal standpoint. Unfortunately, I have no way of verifying if such thing is possible since casino operators may not come here to clarify that.

[danherbias07]

The online casino itself might have a low or zero house edge, but what about the slot provider? (In case we are talking about slots here.)

Slot providers input their own percentage of winning and losing, and considering how highly volatile many slot games are, there's always a big room for profit. In fact, they don't really need to keep on increasing the house edge because the losing chance is higher in slots. It takes lots of rolls before a good one comes out, and it won't even fill the losses that you spent.

I think this is just a marketing strategy. A way to make the casino inviting. Don't bite it. It could also be a trap for a worst-case scenario.

[Cointxz]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP for games developed by external providers like Hacksaw and Pragmatic Play. For original games, it could be possible to program but how will casino achieve this for games from providers that they don't have control over the algorithm? For those wondering about my use of RTP and house edge interchangeably, RTP is the opposite of house edge. This is how it is calculated:

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

They could but they wouldn’t do that because gamblers are already  playing their slot games even with high RTP.

House edge is crucial for them since they need to have a guaranteed profit to cover operating expenses. They can apply 0% house edge on some house games but I doubt they will do that on slot games since they generate most of their profit on that game.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I saw a post by one of the popular casino in the forum where they claim 0% House Edge and that got me wondering if it is possible to have 100% RTP

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

@OP, don't believe such lies from any casino no matter how reputable the casino is, let's assume that there's a game with 0% house edge, believe me, there's no casino that will add such game for customers, lol, except they will only keep it specifically for marketing purposes. With 0% house edge and 90% or 100% RTP, the casino will definitely not make profit from such game and we know that casinos companies are not operating because they want to offer entertainment to people but because they want to make profit. So, there's no way they can offer game with 0% house edge.

[Wapfika]

If RTP = 90% then House Edge = 100-90 =10%.

The House Edge is how the casinos make profit and if it is 0%, how will the casino make profits to remain in business? I need honest answers from experienced players.

Let’s not confused on the HE and RTP. It’s not the only source of casino profit but it serves as sure profit for them in the long run.

Casino can still have profit with 0% house edge by relying to player will lose. The HE is just a small percentage advantage against the player. Removing it means casino is playing against player on fair odds like a WR of 50% will pay x2 and so on while game with house edge will pay WR of 50% less than x2 depending on the house edge.

[Botnake]

Casino can still have profit with 0% house edge by relying to player will lose.

But that doesn’t guarantee them profit if the games are really 0 house edge. Casinos win long term because of the house edge. Without it, how would they stay profitable, especially when they still have operating expenses. A true 50-50 game won’t make sense for them. So that, 100% possible maybe, but only with limits. Like low max bet amounts, limited promo availability, or short time windows. Otherwise it won’t be sustainable.

[Wapfika]

Casino can still have profit with 0% house edge by relying to player will lose.

But that doesn’t guarantee them profit if the games are really 0 house edge. Casinos win long term because of the house edge. Without it, how would they stay profitable, especially when they still have operating expenses. A true 50-50 game won’t make sense for them. So that, 100% possible maybe, but only with limits. Like low max bet amounts, limited promo availability, or short time windows. Otherwise it won’t be sustainable.

I didn’t mentioned a guaranteed profit rather they can still have profit even without house edge. The chance of gambler to become tilted or play reckless is very high that result for profit to a casino since they have higher bankroll to cover a winning streak of players compared to player with limited bankroll covering their own losing streak.

The thread is just asking if the casino can operate without house edge.

[Agbamoni]

I do not put my trust in casino RTP. In realty it realy dont work all the time. Once you are caught up in continuous gambling, RTP becomes something you wont keep track of. It is a psychological strategy made to players to continue gambling for long.

There are also many ways the casino makes its own money aside from the house edge. So yeah, if they focus on 100% RTP, they may use other ways to gain back.

[stompix]

Yes, they can, nothing is stopping them from paying Pragmatic directly to have a different version with a different RTP run only on their casino!

A 100% RTP doesn't mean :
- you will keep your money
- the are no winners, there are no losers!

Although RTP means return to player (singular) is calculated for all players, so with an RTP of 300% you could still be losing all your money while your friend wins 10 times what he has played for, in practice on a a hugely played game over hundreds of casinos and thousands of users you will not be able to see the difference even between 99 and 80, your spins are such a tiny percentage of the total that is not significant for any type of math calculation. The probability of you hitting a loss 20 times in a row becomes trivial.

[swogerino]

Yes, they can, nothing is stopping them from paying Pragmatic directly to have a different version with a different RTP run only on their casino!

A 100% RTP doesn't mean :
- you will keep your money
- the are no winners, there are no losers!

Although RTP means return to player (singular) is calculated for all players, so with an RTP of 300% you could still be losing all your money while your friend wins 10 times what he has played for, in practice on a a hugely played game over hundreds of casinos and thousands of users you will not be able to see the difference even between 99 and 80, your spins are such a tiny percentage of the total that is not significant for any type of math calculation. The probability of you hitting a loss 20 times in a row becomes trivial.

Exactly. It does not mean that if the RTP is 100% if a player deposits 100 dollars does not mean he will not lose this 100 dollars over the long run, sure they may keep getting them back at a certain point but nothing is guaranteed. Some providers directly claim what you should expect from the game, like NoLimitCity in some of their games it tells you that the max win no matter which RTP type is given once every 15 or more million accumulative spins and as such the RTP becomes of no importance at all. For me that is just a marketing term that some casinos are applying to attract unsuspecting users while experienced gamblers know very well that there is no such thing as practical 100% RTP, it exists only in theory.