The casinos that truly have provably fair and the ones that can rig them

[AussieMat]

Upon making some research in the industry, unfortunately I find out most casinos falsely advertise their supposedly « probably fair » games, while these games are in reality the ones that can be rigged the most, because they’re in-house games and the owner of the server can decide any result he wants to give out to the player. Not that they are always rigging it, or that I’m accusing them of rigging it, it’s just that their games are not provably fair, so they can rig them.
I will be listing here the result of my research. I might update it following suggestions.
Edit: if you’re not interested in provably fair, and for some reason not able to understand it, it’s not a big deal, no need to spam this thread. « Reputable » casino does not mean you can prove their games are fair.

Casinos with true probably fair games:
Duel.com
Stake.com
Shuffle.com
bc.game: with some caution. Impossible to put a client seed in a blackjack game, so that one is not provably fair. Though Hi Lo and fast crash are provably fair.
Wolfbet.com



Casinos with false provably fair games:
Roobet.com: Does not give the server seed hash before game starts. Customer support seems to be a stupid answering robot machine when the subject is brought.
Metawin.com: The code used to verify the results is no where to be found. In addition, server seed hash seems to change after game starts. 3 tickets created on the subject, 3 closed. No moderator knows where that mysterious code is hidden nor why the server seed hash has changed for my bets.
Wild.io: the system forces the player to choose client seed before server seed is chosen. Customer support says no it’s the contrary but then stops responding when shown evidence or asked to try it themselves
Bitstarz.com: Same issue as wild.io
Rollbit.com: No server seed hash before game starts (last seen about a year ago). Their NFT game can be rigged with last minute house bot bets in the first milliseconds the 50th eth block hash is known. When asking why not stop bets 1 or 2 eth blocks before result is out, moderators have some stupid answers.

[Charles-Tim]

What proves do you have that make you think that Roobet, Metawin and Rollbit are not provably fair casinos? This definitely means that you are accusing them of manipulation. What are your evidences that make you think that they are manipulating?

There are how you can check the seed of each game or something, did you do that or you just concluded that their games are not provably fair?

[Odusko]

What proves do you have that make you think that Roobet, Metawin and Rollbit are not provably fair casinos? This definitely means that you are accusing them of manipulation. What are your evidences that make you think that they are manipulating?

There are how you can check the seed of each game or something, did you do that or you just concluded that their games are not provably fair?

Seed for confirmation is the main tool used by the ops to make that statement, although I haven't made any extra research to know if what the ops is saying is actually true, but then he should have made a deeper search if truly metawin and Rollbits actually does offer games seed immediately or after the game before making the conclusion based on that here, so for me we have to go extra leant to add up with what ops is saying about those casinos.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

What proves do you have that make you think that Roobet, Metawin and Rollbit are not provably fair casinos? This definitely means that you are accusing them of manipulation. What are your evidences that make you think that they are manipulating?

There are how you can check the seed of each game or something, did you do that or you just concluded that their games are not provably fair?

If I read the op right, he tried every one of this casinos he listed on the op before coming up with the conclusion on this thread, there is no way anybody will come up with an accusation like this without having proper proofs to back the claim, else, the accusation will be treated as nonsense.

So, if any thing, the question shouldn't be whether the op checked each seed of the game he played on each of the casinos he listed, cus the answer is obviously "yes".
The question should be, "how did he carry out the checks?" I would say he provide evidences of his claim here and let's see what each of this casinos will have to say concerning it, accusing a casino of manipulation is not something that should be treated lightly cus both the casino and the clients are at risk of losing something..
The casino is at risk of losing clients if the manipulation accusation is false..
And the clients are at risk of losing their precious hard earned money to the casino unfairly if the accusation of manipulation turns out to be true..

[adultcrypto]

I doubt you have any poof that the casinos you listed are not provably fair. I can regard this post as mere opinion until you share the tool you used to make this analysis. There is no doubt about your being experienced in gambling but making this list about casinos that are provably fair and those that are not without any reliable prove is simply ridiculous and should not be used as bases for any serious decision. I have played for a long time now in some of the listed casinos and my experience there was great in terms of winning and being able to withdraw my winnings without story.

[Charles-Tim]

Seed for confirmation is the main tool used by the ops to make that statement, although I haven't made any extra research to know if what the ops is saying is actually true, but then he should have made a deeper search if truly metawin and Rollbits actually does offer games seed immediately or after the game before making the conclusion based on that here, so for me we have to go extra leant to add up with what ops is saying about those casinos.

Other gamblers can also make findings to know if what the OP is saying is true or not true.

If I read the op right, he tried every one of this casinos he listed on the op before coming up with the conclusion on this thread, there is no way anybody will come up with an accusation like this without having proper proofs to back the claim, else, the accusation will be treated as nonsense.

So, if any thing, the question shouldn't be whether the op checked each seed of the game he played on each of the casinos he listed, cus the answer is obviously "yes".
The question should be, "how did he carry out the checks?" I would say he provide evidences of his claim here and let's see what each it is casinos will have to say concerning it, accusing a casino of manipulation is not something that should be treated lightly cus both the casino and the clients are at risk of losing something..
The casino is at risk of losing clients if the manipulation accusation is false..
And the clients are at risk of losing their precious hard earned money to the casino unfairly if the accusation of manipulation turns out to be true..

As a gambler, individual can also make the funding just as I told Odusko, the gambling sites do not need to post anything because people can make findings about it and find out if what AussieMat is saying is not true or not true.

[SenseiBitcoin]

Upon making some research in the industry, unfortunately I find out most casinos falsely advertise their supposedly « probably fair » games, while these games are in reality the ones that can be rigged the most, because they’re in-house games and the owner of the server can decide any result he wants to give out to the player. Not that they are always rigging it for sure, it’s just that their games are not provably fair. I will be listing here the result of my research. I might update it following suggestions.

Casinos with true probably fair games:
Duel.com
Stake.com
Shuffle.com
bc.game: with some caution. Impossible to put a client seed in a blackjack game, so that one is not provably fair. Though Hi Lo and fast crash are provably fair.



Casinos with false provably fair games:
Roobet.com: Does not give the server seed hash before game starts. Customer support seems to be a stupid answering robot machine when the subject is brought.
Metawin.com: The code used to verify the results is no where to be found. In addition, server seed hash seems to change after game starts. 3 tickets created on the subject, 3 closed. No moderator knows where that mysterious code is hidden nor why the server seed hash has changed for my bets.
Wild.io: the system forces the player to choose client seed before server seed is chosen. Customer support says no it’s the contrary but then stops responding when shown evidence or asked to try it themselves
Bitstarz.com: Same issue as wild.io
Rollbit.com: No server seed hash before game starts (last seen about a year ago). Their NFT game can be rigged with last minute house bot bets in the first milliseconds the 50th eth block hash is known. When asking why not stop bets 1 or 2 eth blocks before result is out, moderators have some stupid answers.

You can add
Wolfbet
Betfury

true provably fair

[Odusko]

Other gamblers can also make findings to know if what the OP is saying is true or not true.

Considering how reputable some of the casinos that ops said has no probably fair system, this give us a lot of concern and for that you are right to say other Forum members can Carry out independent research about this and come up with another version of results which we can compare and find out the true state of those reputable casinos that are mentioned in the ops.

[stadus]

This sounds more like a false accusation than anything solid. Do you really think these casinos would spend a ton of money to operate and get licensed, only to risk jail just to rig games? Plus, there are third-party audits too, that’s part of the process.

The casinos you mentioned are making millions. If your real concern is “what if it’s rigged,” then honestly you don’t have to play those in-house games. Just stick to games coming from reputable third-party providers. Problem solved.

What you shared isn’t factual proof that they rig, it’s more of an assumption. Sure, it’s possible, but the real question is, would they actually do it and risk everything?

[freedomgo]

I doubt you have any poof that the casinos you listed are not provably fair.

I think the casinos on that list that have an active rep here should respond and show that their games are provably fair.
Even if not everyone fully understands how it works, reading claims that their games are not provably fair can still hurt their reputation.

The OP posted this like it’s nothing, but he should be aware that it already sounds like an accusation. When you’re talking about fairness and integrity, those kinds of claims aren’t something you can just throw around casually.

[AussieMat]

Upon making some research in the industry, unfortunately I find out most casinos falsely advertise their supposedly « probably fair » games, while these games are in reality the ones that can be rigged the most, because they’re in-house games and the owner of the server can decide any result he wants to give out to the player. Not that they are always rigging it for sure, it’s just that their games are not provably fair. I will be listing here the result of my research. I might update it following suggestions.

Casinos with true probably fair games:
Duel.com
Stake.com
Shuffle.com
bc.game: with some caution. Impossible to put a client seed in a blackjack game, so that one is not provably fair. Though Hi Lo and fast crash are provably fair.



Casinos with false provably fair games:
Roobet.com: Does not give the server seed hash before game starts. Customer support seems to be a stupid answering robot machine when the subject is brought.
Metawin.com: The code used to verify the results is no where to be found. In addition, server seed hash seems to change after game starts. 3 tickets created on the subject, 3 closed. No moderator knows where that mysterious code is hidden nor why the server seed hash has changed for my bets.
Wild.io: the system forces the player to choose client seed before server seed is chosen. Customer support says no it’s the contrary but then stops responding when shown evidence or asked to try it themselves
Bitstarz.com: Same issue as wild.io
Rollbit.com: No server seed hash before game starts (last seen about a year ago). Their NFT game can be rigged with last minute house bot bets in the first milliseconds the 50th eth block hash is known. When asking why not stop bets 1 or 2 eth blocks before result is out, moderators have some stupid answers.

You can add
Wolfbet
Betfury

true provably fair

Yes sir, I’ve checked wolfbet and I’ll add them, betfury I can’t create an account for some reason

[Nightwalker(NW)]

I do not really understand where you are channeling your post to, but I must say this your post isn't worth it as you don't have any evidence or a cogent reasoning towards your claims. To be sincere to you, the above gambling site you mentioned as none provably fair site most provable site which I have also used some of the gamble or stake games without having any issues. Like I know Metawin.com is another best site that I have been following on their ANN threads and most times I do comes across their tweet from twitter where their sig participant keeps uploading those winning to their ANN, which shows that people are making money through those gambling site that you just mentioned as not provably fair site.

[noorman0]

I do not really understand where you are channeling your post to, but I must say this your post isn't worth it as you don't have any evidence or a cogent reasoning towards your claims.

The OP only inspects casinos that provide "proof" of fairness. You can simply go to the casino in question to confirm it.
After all, not everything fair needs to be proven; it's even a matter of intuition. As long as you feel your winnings are fair, you won't bother checking any hash seeds, right? You'll only look for that feature when your betting results are problematic.