Are some casino scam accusations just negative marketing in disguise?

[Onyeeze]

Some are negative marketing, trying to frame a casino. Either they are paid to do so, or they lost money in the casino, in other to express their anger, speaking il of the casino is their only best option.

It does not matter the rank of the person. A newbie, member can also lay real complain of being scammed. On the other hand, a higher rank member can also speak ill of a casino in disguise to bring the casino down.

do you realize that nobody is being paid to condemn a existing casino platform before anyone utters anyways that concerns casino may be that person have experienced the casino platform, before someone could tender a negative report about casino I believe that the person what did he has in mind is that for Express what him has observed from the casino because it cannot give a random report about casino in order to blackmail them without finding any fault from them, on the if something or such can happen it can only happen through some casinos who are in competition with such particular casino

[Slow death]

I keep trying to imagine why someone would stop doing their real-world activities, or even their internet activities, to go from site to site posting negative comments about a casino. Honestly, I think there are very few such cases. To me, most negative comments about a casino might mean that the casino isn't providing good service, and therefore the people commenting negatively are right.

I see many people ignoring the negative comments left on casino review sites, but then someone else posts accusations of scams against the same casino with negative reviews, and when asked why they used the casino and if they did research beforehand, they say they didn't take the negative comments seriously.

[mirakal]

I see many people ignoring the negative comments left on casino review sites, but then someone else posts accusations of scams against the same casino with negative reviews, and when asked why they used the casino and if they did research beforehand, they say they didn't take the negative comments seriously.

This is more on a personal level.
I see a lot of newbies posting all kinds of stuff about a casino’s reputation, but over time you learn who to ignore and who to take seriously.

Being around the forum for years, you start to notice patterns and you already have an idea which casinos have a solid reputation and which don’t. That’s why I still prefer to try things myself. If I see some negative comments, I use them as a guide on how much I’m willing to expose or risk on the casino being mentioned.

[freedomgo]

I use them as a guide on how much I’m willing to expose or risk on the casino being mentioned.

If it’s too obvious that a site is a scam, then it’s better not to try it at all. But sometimes I still get curious. Even when 1xBit had a really bad reputation here, I still tried gambling there, not with crypto but with fiat, mainly because funding the account was easy for me. I didn’t win anything big though, so I never really got to test whether they would process a withdrawal or just tag me as another “scam victim.”

[bhadz]

We have no idea if that's for real and they're doing that in purpose. Because if I am the head of the marketing team, I'd like exposure but not that way, in a negative way. If you'll think about it, even if people will justify that negative exposure is still exposure. They're all right but you as someone who works for the company or casino, do you like to be recognized that way? I don't think that they do. But the trick is that, about helping that fake accuser and solving the issue they face which gives the positive situation for the readers. Could be or could not be.

[Jewan420]

The answer is hidden in your question, new user!
I am not saying that a new user of the forum should be new to the casino, maybe he is. Anyone can face problems while using the casino and they can have a complaint. The casino's explanation against the complaint with evidence is also important which we should read. If there is a legitimate explanation for a legitimate complaint then we should not blame the casino, many users continue to play without paying attention to the rules and complain about the casino when they face limitations. We should ignore unsubstantiated and baseless complaints

[Chibit01]

do you realize that nobody is being paid to condemn a existing casino platform before anyone utters anyways that concerns casino may be that person have experienced the casino platform, before someone could tender a negative report about casino I believe that the person what did he has in mind is that for Express what him has observed from the casino because it cannot give a random report about casino in order to blackmail them without finding any fault from them, on the if something or such can happen it can only happen through some casinos who are in competition with such particular casino

What do you mean by no body is getting paid for condemning another casino? Don’t be too sure things happen on industry because it’s unlikely to happen does not mean it can’t happen, same way some casino can pay shillers for good review the dirty once’s can also do same to spoil the reputation of what ever casino they consider to be their revival, some of such accusation could be from users experience while some can just be some baseless accusations without evidence.

[jossiel]

If it’s too obvious that a site is a scam, then it’s better not to try it at all. But sometimes I still get curious. Even when 1xBit had a really bad reputation here, I still tried gambling there, not with crypto but with fiat, mainly because funding the account was easy for me. I didn’t win anything big though, so I never really got to test whether they would process a withdrawal or just tag me as another “scam victim.”

Yes, they is a good criteria that if the casino is obviously a scam. They're going to make that type of marketing so that people will be curious on them and likely to deposit.

And these complains if they're only looking to hit the promos and marketing of the casino, they're too naive to do that.

People who cry for not receiving the same bonus that the others did have. Well, it's comparison and that's a joy killer if gamblers are like that.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I believe many of these dubious accusations are from people who are bitter about losing or about being caught cheating. They write these accusations because they want to harm the reputation of the casino, not necessarily because they want to promote something else. I don’t see how accusing a casino of doing something bad would benefit one specific competitor out of the thousands of gambling websites that exist.

[Taskford]

I believe many of these dubious accusations are from people who are bitter about losing or about being caught cheating. They write these accusations because they want to harm the reputation of the casino, not necessarily because they want to promote something else. I don’t see how accusing a casino of doing something bad would benefit one specific competitor out of the thousands of gambling websites that exist.

Yeah obviously lots of those accusation is fake because its noticeable on their action especially that they do those accusation on almost all the casinos they go.

That's why I don't take their accusation seriously especially if I know their background since we can read it base on their post history.

Maybe other competitors think that if they can successfully throw shades on other casino lots of people will transfer and go on their platform. Other reason is maybe those trolls do those thing on purpose to take revenge after they caught cheating or doing some malicious actions on the casino.

[acroman08]

So it made me wonder, with how competitive the online casino space is now, is it really just about marketing and promos anymore? We all know casinos spend a lot to attract players, but do you think some of them also play dirty and use negative marketing? By that I mean, could some casinos be using throwaway or newbie accounts to post bad stories, accusations, or doubt against competitors, just to damage their reputation and scare players away?

In business, trying to ruin your competitor's reputation isn't new, but unless the scam accusation is obvious that it is fake, there is really no way of knowing if a scam accusation being posted is made up. That is also why the forum members encourage people who post complaints/scam accusations here in the forum to post their evidence that can support their claims to avoid believing false accusations as much as possible.

[letteredhub]

Some are negative marketing, trying to frame a casino. Either they are paid to do so, or they lost money in the casino, in other to express their anger, speaking il of the casino is their only best option.

It does not matter the rank of the person. A newbie, member can also lay real complain of being scammed. On the other hand, a higher rank member can also speak ill of a casino in disguise to bring the casino down.

do you realize that nobody is being paid to condemn a existing casino platform before anyone utters anyways that concerns casino may be that person have experienced the casino platform, before someone could tender a negative report about casino I believe that the person what did he has in mind is that for Express what him has observed from the casino because it cannot give a random report about casino in order to blackmail them without finding any fault from them, on the if something or such can happen it can only happen through some casinos who are in competition with such particular casino

Are you casually debunking that this things don't happen or you're just unaware that it's a real issue of concern among online casinos and there are persons out there who are willing to help them play the card in as much as much as money is committed to it. I even want to believe that there are persons whose job is to blackmail, give false accusations and statements about a casino on behalf of another casino who feels competed in same community, most particularly if it's a casino that are newly coming into the community and the older feels threatened of their dominance being shaken.

[CryptoYar]

Sometimes, dirty marketing can be used against online gambling company as company might want to on purpose ruin name of rival, as first is usually cheaper than second. This fake noise making is writing of made up story to post planned horror stories of tricks or stuck payment, trick called astroturfing that works by messing up search results in order to scare away new players.
Being used to simple rules, such as bonus betting needs, beginners are easily tricked by such fake complaints which in most cases follow similar strange way or are written in same words with same sentence shape on different accounts. Most of complaints of players are real, but these sorts of hidden wars between rival casinos or dishonest partners are to make sure that much of online anger is in fact planned business plan that will send you to another site.

[Y3shot]

So it made me wonder, with how competitive the online casino space is now, is it really just about marketing and promos anymore? We all know casinos spend a lot to attract players, but do you think some of them also play dirty and use negative marketing? By that I mean, could some casinos be using throwaway or newbie accounts to post bad stories, accusations, or doubt against competitors, just to damage their reputation and scare players away?

I’m not saying all accusations are fake, there are real issues and real bad actors out there. But with so many new accounts and similar complaint patterns, it’s hard not to question if some of this is manufactured noise.

Even if this is done to demarket a casino, it must come with evidence, and if there is any evidence, it means the casino is guilty of a scam. But a casino that has scammed any of its customers, no matter how you try to demarket the casino, it won't work. There are casinos that might have been accused of a scam; those who have no intention to scam always resolve the issues with their customers, while those who have the intention to scam don’t address the issue.

A casino that has no intention to scam, no matter the accusations, you can't demarket them because even if they make mistakes unknowingly in giving customers what belongs to them, they will still resolve the issue.

[Maslate]

A casino that has no intention to scam, no matter the accusations, you can't demarket them because even if they make mistakes unknowingly in giving customers what belongs to them, they will still resolve the issue.

No professional casino would do something like that.
All their actions are based on their policies and TOS, so there’s no such thing as them making "unknowing" mistakes.

For customers, mistakes are understandable. But on the casino side, they can’t afford that. It wouldn’t be safe for them, and they could even be penalized for negligence, even if they try to correct it later on.

[wozzek23]

How can we say that accusations can turn into marketing? It makes no sense.

Scam accusations are not always fake either, I know that some gamblers get pissed for losing all their money and they will come up with lies to try to tarnish the casino image but there is always this possibility that the casino is the problem.

Things don't always look negative up until more victims starts to show up.
I have investigated some accusations only to end up with lies from the accuser side just to look like a victim or spoil the casino's name.

The logic is that, if you do own a casino, and some other casino is doing better than you, then the idea is that if you do negative marketing for them, then they would get less customers and when they lose customers those customers will come to you.

The naming of "negative marketing" is still works, because in English language negative just means the other way, so if we say 2, then -2 is the negative and opposite of it. Meaning marketing is to get more customers, and negative marketing means to lose customers.

[Johnlomape]

We have no idea if that's for real and they're doing that in purpose. Because if I am the head of the marketing team, I'd like exposure but not that way, in a negative way. If you'll think about it, even if people will justify that negative exposure is still exposure. They're all right but you as someone who works for the company or casino, do you like to be recognized that way? I don't think that they do. But the trick is that, about helping that fake accuser and solving the issue they face which gives the positive situation for the readers. Could be or could not be.

Negative reviews about a casino can have a degree or limit it will reach for the public to assume or conclude that playing bets on that casino is bad and the same thing can happen to them. It is easy for casinos to create a fake good review about themselves and the winnings gamblers are making on their platform than thinking of negative review than could tarnish their long developed brand name for years. Negative and scam reviews are mostly fueled by casinos competitors to drive gamblers for that casino to their own casino indirectly.

[Pandu Geddon]

Negative and scam reviews are mostly fueled by casinos competitors to drive gamblers for that casino to their own casino indirectly.

Are you sure that what triggered the negative reviews is a competitor casino? In business, there is always competition, but casinos have their ways to get new customers or retain their existing ones. Marketing in a negative way or using reviews like that will not have much impact, except when those giving reviews share the same experience in large numbers. We know that everyone has different experiences with gambling and using casinos. Gamblers might prefer to try for themselves and seek their own experience if the accusations and reviews seen are not from many cases.

[bhadz]

We have no idea if that's for real and they're doing that in purpose. Because if I am the head of the marketing team, I'd like exposure but not that way, in a negative way. If you'll think about it, even if people will justify that negative exposure is still exposure. They're all right but you as someone who works for the company or casino, do you like to be recognized that way? I don't think that they do. But the trick is that, about helping that fake accuser and solving the issue they face which gives the positive situation for the readers. Could be or could not be.

Negative reviews about a casino can have a degree or limit it will reach for the public to assume or conclude that playing bets on that casino is bad and the same thing can happen to them. It is easy for casinos to create a fake good review about themselves and the winnings gamblers are making on their platform than thinking of negative review than could tarnish their long developed brand name for years. Negative and scam reviews are mostly fueled by casinos competitors to drive gamblers for that casino to their own casino indirectly.

That's true and that's why negative marketing I don't think will be mostly done and casinos will opt for that. They'll make good and honest reviews than it through giveaways from many participants. Than to make negative reviews that they'll give to themselves, if they are up for marketing why would they choose the negative way of it? they're only damaging their reputation at their own cost since many people are not going to doubt most reviews if they have no idea that it can be faked if it's posted on reviews websites.

[Jatiluhung]

This is true. There is not even a single doubt about it, this is 100% absolutely correct. I am sure that there are many casinos, who employ people to go spread negative news about other casinos, and this is some sort of marketing method and they all do it. In fact, it's such a common thing that, "fans" of some casinos do it for free, they do not gamble at another place, and yet they blame those places to be scams because of how much they are fanatics about one place and that is the reason why this becomes an issue.

Well, that could be the case. Sometimes we often encounter users who only use certain websites because they feel very comfortable there. Sometimes they even become fanatics of those websites. Sometimes they go a little overboard in helping to promote those websites, even though they are not part of the promotion team.   
Or if someone deliberately uses such methods, such as hiring or paying people to create a bad stigma on other sites, then that is not surprising at all. This is because the same thing sometimes happens in other businesses, and I think it could also be the case in the casino business.